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Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:24:00 -
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All level 4s should be moved to low sec. With a slight isk buff.
Don't all freak out about it already read on.
To help the brave mission runners, and challenge the noble pirates -- while in the low sec level 4 mission.. you mission runners are able to use a distress beacon button, when used a few concord helper drones warp in heal your shields and armor and help you dps- obviously only useable when aggressed by a player while in a mission, any rats on grid target the mission invader, perhaps the mission invader would need a special scanner mod to break into the mission thus hurting his set up. Perhaps mission invading could be limited to one pirate per mission. so a gank squad of 5 cant come in, perhaps these new level 4s can be rebalanced so mission runners can complete then in pvp fits etc.
P.s im not a pirate. I'm not even a mission runner.. I'd become a mission runner if something like this was implemented as I it would add danger and fun. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
693
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:31:00 -
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Pve fitted mission runners thanks you and tell you worry not about them, rather go shoot pvp oriented targets. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes
1183
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:33:00 -
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Where is Doc Fury I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:36:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Pve fitted mission runners thanks you and tell you worry not about them, rather go shoot pvp oriented targets.
I don't worry about them.. I want them to work for their money, I want the eve moto risk = reward to be a actual fact of the game. I hate that people can sit in high sec and make the so much risk free isk.. and the risk to reward ratio in low sec is so imbalanced. ( and null in not fortified allienced secured area's ). It disgusts me that people sit afk mining and run level 4s blind folded for years upon years, its nothing but a tutorial zone that people never want to leave because the isk to risk ratio is so good. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
167
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:43:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Where is Doc Fury
I need someone to turn the key at the other end of the room to release him from the cage, can you help? |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:44:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Where is Doc Fury I need someone to turn the key at the other end of the room to release him from the cage, can you help?
Who or what is doc fury. im not getting the refrence |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
278
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:47:00 -
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Already implemented. Its called a lvl5. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
514
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:48:00 -
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Hello.
First of all, new ideas are always welcome and we all appreciate your try at presenting a new idea. However, in order to avoid creating posts with ideas that are pretty much useless, might I suggest that you learn a bit about the game.
There are several excellent guides and resources that deal with every aspect of the game, including mission running and PvP. My suggestion is to start with "ISK The guide" (http://www.isktheguide.com/), where you can find a lot of information about Level 4 mission profitability and difference between PvE and PvP fits (among other things). You can also learn a lot about various game mechanics and options that already exist.
One very good alternative to the mentioned guide is EVE University Wiki (http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page). If you prefer more personal and direct approach to education, you can also enlist in EVE University and learn about the game in their organized classes provided by experienced players.
I hope these advices will help you make better suggestions in the future.
Fly safe. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:49:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Already implemented. Its called a lvl5.
Level 5s do not have the features I described. and you missed the most important part... removing the risk free isk making level 4s from high sec and moving em to low.
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
278
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:52:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Yarda Black wrote:Already implemented. Its called a lvl5. Level 5s do not have the features I described. and you missed the most important part... removing the risk free isk making level 4s from high sec and moving em to low.
Aight. Apologies for interrupting your stealth "nerf h-sec" thread. I thought you were serious.
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Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Hello. First of all, new ideas are always welcome and we all appreciate your try at presenting a new idea. However, in order to avoid creating posts with ideas that are pretty much useless, might I suggest that you learn a bit about the game. There are several excellent guides and resources that deal with every aspect of the game, including mission running and PvP. My suggestion is to start with "ISK The guide" ( http://www.isktheguide.com/), where you can find a lot of information about Level 4 mission profitability and difference between PvE and PvP fits (among other things). You can also learn a lot about various game mechanics and options that already exist. One very good alternative to the mentioned guide is EVE University Wiki ( http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page). If you prefer more personal and direct approach to education, you can also enlist in EVE University and learn about the game in their organized classes provided by experienced players. I hope these advices will help you make better suggestions in the future. Fly safe.
Wow.. *Slow clap* so well written. But lacks any substance or argument. |
Renegade Heart
Abysmal Gentlemen
152
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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Would be too easy to exploit I think. Players would get their alts to agress them for the tank and dps boost from the concord drones. Also, if the rats agressed the alt, then alt could be the tank too, allowing a better dps fit on the main mission runner.
Terrible idea really, although I appreciate the thought behind it! Best to just leave level 4 mechanics as is, AND move them to low sec too |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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I have a better plan. Spray your keyboard and mouse with honey and sit to play EVE with a hungry badger in the room.
That may even improve your posting abbilites. Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Carmen Electra
886
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:55:00 -
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Posting in a stealth...
...oh never mind. eve is dying |
Aziesta
Serenity Labs
457
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:56:00 -
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I don't think moving lvl 4's to lowsec would magically make people run them. Instead, people would start blitzing lvl 3's for LP, or switch to another highsec activity. It's not the money people in highsec focus on, it's the added security. Adding "helper NPCs" would make little difference to that loss of security in lowsec. |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
75
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:56:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Yarda Black wrote:Already implemented. Its called a lvl5. Level 5s do not have the features I described. and you missed the most important part... removing the risk free isk making level 4s from high sec and moving em to low.
Any future plans for high sec incursions and level 3 missions? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19690
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:57:00 -
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Level 5's used to be available in highsec, the moment they moved to lowsec, the amount of people doing them dropped through the floor with most turning to farming level 4's instead.
Doing the same to level 4's will result in the same thing, people will speedfarm level 3's in battleships or strategic cruisers rather than risk their shiny orifcerfit pimpmobiles in lowsec.
edit ~ beaten to it by Aziesta
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3044
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:59:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Where is Doc Fury Now I'm sad.
Features and Ideas is that way---------------> o7 Doc Fury. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Level 5's used to be available in highsec, the moment they moved to lowsec, the amount of people doing them dropped through the floor with most turning to farming level 4's instead.
Doing the same to level 4's will result in the same thing, people will speedfarm level 3's in battleships or strategic cruisers rather than risk their shiny orifcerfit pimpmobiles in lowsec.
edit ~ beaten to it by Aziesta
Then let them farm level 3s the rate of safe isk they make will drop a lot. And you are not taking into account changes that could be made to give them a advantage in fending off a mission invader in low sec. Perhaps they could try adding those to level 5s first before removing level 4s from high sec to see how many people venture into low sec to give level 5s a go. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
514
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:04:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Hello. First of all, new ideas are always welcome and we all appreciate your try at presenting a new idea. However, in order to avoid creating posts with ideas that are pretty much useless, might I suggest that you learn a bit about the game. There are several excellent guides and resources that deal with every aspect of the game, including mission running and PvP. My suggestion is to start with "ISK The guide" ( http://www.isktheguide.com/), where you can find a lot of information about Level 4 mission profitability and difference between PvE and PvP fits (among other things). You can also learn a lot about various game mechanics and options that already exist. One very good alternative to the mentioned guide is EVE University Wiki ( http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page). If you prefer more personal and direct approach to education, you can also enlist in EVE University and learn about the game in their organized classes provided by experienced players. I hope these advices will help you make better suggestions in the future. Fly safe. Wow.. *Slow clap* so well written. But lacks any substance or argument. That post is akin to telling a atheist their is a god im not going to explain why im just going to direct you to the bible all of the reasons to why you are wrong are their. Hey... don't blame me I'm one of the rare posters in this thread who genuinely tried to help you see your mistakes in logic and provided a good guide for getting help with your knowledge of the game.
If you prefer the idea with honey on keyboard and a hungry badger, it's totally fine with me. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
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Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:06:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Would be too easy to exploit I think. Players would get their alts to aggress them for the tank and dps boost from the concord drones. Also, if the rats aggressed the alt, then alt could be the tank too, allowing a better dps fit on the main mission runner. Terrible idea really, although I appreciate the thought behind it! Best to just leave level 4 mechanics as is, AND move them to low sec too
Hmm true did not think of that exploits or alts.. but really does any one actually need a exploit to beat npc rats ? Make it one use per mission let them use the exploit it will bit them on the behind if a pirate jumps in 5 mins later. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:16:00 -
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OP is the reason the forums should have a dislike button next to the like button. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19692
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:18:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Then let them farm level 3s the rate of safe isk they make will drop a lot. Actually nope speedfarming 3's for LP is very nearly as profitable as running level 4's if you choose the right LP to farm.
Quote:And you are not taking into account changes that could be made to give them a advantage in fending off a mission invader in low sec. The mission space isn't the really dangerous bit, getting there is and most people are averse to risking their shiny expensive PvE ships in gatecamps, because it's like being the fish in a barrel made of C4 and rusty nails.
Quote:Perhaps they could try adding those to level 5s first before removing level 4s from high sec to see how many people venture into low sec to give level 5s a go. I can tell you how that'll work out right now, people still wouldn't run level 5 missions.
The reward < the risk.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Renegade Heart
Abysmal Gentlemen
152
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:18:00 -
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Nothing for me to dislike here really. At least he wants to increase risk rather than reduce it! Should probably be in right forum section though. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
879
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:23:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:Yarda Black wrote:Already implemented. Its called a lvl5. Level 5s do not have the features I described. and you missed the most important part... removing the risk free isk making level 4s from high sec and moving em to low. Aight. Apologies for interrupting your stealth "nerf h-sec" thread. I thought you were serious. Stealth? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
114
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:24:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Would be too easy to exploit I think. Players would get their alts to aggress them for the tank and dps boost from the concord drones. Also, if the rats aggressed the alt, then alt could be the tank too, allowing a better dps fit on the main mission runner. Terrible idea really, although I appreciate the thought behind it! Best to just leave level 4 mechanics as is, AND move them to low sec too Hmm true did not think of that exploits or alts.. but really does any one actually need a exploit to beat npc rats ? Make it one use per mission let them use the exploit it will bit them on the behind if a pirate jumps in 5 mins later.
You clearly haven't tried a L5 in a L4 fit.
If you're extremely lucky, you're using a MJD sniper fit against non-Guristas and no neuts. If not..... you just lost a pimp Golem or Paladin to multiple Neut Tower III and 2.5k+ incoming dps, not counting the small pirate gang that's probing you down....
The current meta for L5s is: PassiveGu, PassiveSnake, MJD Drone Domi, dual ASB Vargur, Carrier, or a fleet with RR and remote cap support.
Note the "Passive" nature of each of these ships (not counting the carrier since it has enough cap to not be bothered too much). The neut towers are very powerful. |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:28:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Would be too easy to exploit I think. Players would get their alts to aggress them for the tank and dps boost from the concord drones. Also, if the rats aggressed the alt, then alt could be the tank too, allowing a better dps fit on the main mission runner. Terrible idea really, although I appreciate the thought behind it! Best to just leave level 4 mechanics as is, AND move them to low sec too Hmm true did not think of that exploits or alts.. but really does any one actually need a exploit to beat npc rats ? Make it one use per mission let them use the exploit it will bit them on the behind if a pirate jumps in 5 mins later. You clearly haven't tried a L5 in a L4 fit. If you're extremely lucky, you're using a MJD sniper fit against non-Guristas and no neuts. If not..... you just lost a pimp Golem or Paladin to multiple Neut Tower III and 2.5k+ incoming dps, not counting the small pirate gang that's probing you down.... The current meta for L5s is: PassiveGu, PassiveSnake, MJD Drone Domi, dual ASB Vargur, Carrier, or a fleet with RR and remote cap support. Note the "Passive" nature of each of these ships (not counting the carrier since it has enough cap to not be bothered too much). The neut towers are very powerful.
I'll hold my hands up and admit ive never tried a level 5, mainly because I find level 4s too boreing to grind to get my standings up. But also because I was under the impression they were designed for small gangs and not solo doable. Maunders can solo level 5s? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2228
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:30:00 -
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There are L4s in lowsec.
/thread Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
115
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:31:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:I'll hold my hands up and admit ive never tried a level 5, mainly because I find level 4s too boreing to grind to get my standings up. But also because I was under the impression they were designed for small gangs and not solo doable. Maunders can solo level 5s?
Yes. Dual ASB Vargur or Golems are capable of L5s. So are MJD Domis. A T2 Vargur with a Crystal set will tank 2.8k dps on a single XL ASB. 5.6k with 2 in case things get dicey. |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:38:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Hello. First of all, new ideas are always welcome and we all appreciate your try at presenting a new idea. However, in order to avoid creating posts with ideas that are pretty much useless, might I suggest that you learn a bit about the game. There are several excellent guides and resources that deal with every aspect of the game, including mission running and PvP. My suggestion is to start with "ISK The guide" ( http://www.isktheguide.com/), where you can find a lot of information about Level 4 mission profitability and difference between PvE and PvP fits (among other things). You can also learn a lot about various game mechanics and options that already exist. One very good alternative to the mentioned guide is EVE University Wiki ( http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page). If you prefer more personal and direct approach to education, you can also enlist in EVE University and learn about the game in their organized classes provided by experienced players. I hope these advices will help you make better suggestions in the future. Fly safe. Wow.. *Slow clap* so well written. But lacks any substance or argument. That post is akin to telling a atheist their is a god im not going to explain why im just going to direct you to the bible all of the reasons to why you are wrong are their. Hey... don't blame me I'm one of the rare posters in this thread who genuinely tried to help you see your mistakes in logic and provided a good guide for getting help with your knowledge of the game. If you prefer the idea with honey on keyboard and a hungry badger, it's totally fine with me.
again I see a lot of well written words but no meaning or substance..
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