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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10734
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:38:00 -
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This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1921
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:42:00 -
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Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
554
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:43:00 -
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needs to be done sooner than soonGäó that is for sure. I just cant even imagine living in 0.0 the way it is now. go ahead and tell me it is epic, I just can't buy that story, when at a casual glance most systems are empty. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Paranoid Loyd
941
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:48:00 -
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Why do they keep using names of ships for expansions?
Came to this thread expecting a proposal to turn the Hyperion into some sort of colony ship "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
103
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.
I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
654
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:51:00 -
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Colonial Sovereignty with claims of citizenship to a system, reducing Sov bills.
Grandfather in a minimum citizenship requirement to deploy the TCU. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10735
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:51:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Why have a release at all if your company is going on vacation? I would think they'd have planned it so that releases will be largely unaffected by the summer holidays. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10735
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:53:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed. I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks. Not at all, because as long as this has been an issue I expect that they've likely devoted at least some of their time to tackling the problem. Most of the 6 weeks would simply be polishing of stuff they probably already have on the drawing board. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1921
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Why have a release at all if your company is going on vacation? I would think they'd have planned it so that releases will be largely unaffected by the summer holidays. Ok....let's ignore the whole "summer holidays" bit, disregarding statements from CCP Rise.
6 Weeks. Comprehensive Sov Overhaul. Pick one or the other, there's no way you're gonna get any sort of sov overhaul in 6 weeks. Super overhaul? If they started working on it beforehand, maybe 6 weeks is possible. But they haven't; battleships and HACs are going to enjoy another balance pass first as per the post from CCP Rise.
So yeah, no way in hell you're getting either of those things in 6 weeks. I mean seriously, no MMO developer pushes anything out in 6 weeks, use some common sense.
CCP didn't go from an "expansion" every 6 months to an "expansion" every 6 weeks. The new release cycle is just that, a release cycle. When a piece of development that takes, say, 7 months to make misses the November release, it can be released in January instead of June. That's all it is. You won't be getting more content per year, you'll just be getting content when it's actually finished. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
813
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.
If you're gonna rage about something do your damn research first. The roadmap for major overhauls was made very clear at FanFest.
1. Industry 2. Corp & Alliance roles and interfaces 3. Player Owned Structures and Stations 4. Sovereignty Mechanics 5. Player Built Stargates
Since Sov mechanics depend greatly on the previous two points, it makes sense those get done first. So it's on the planning. Just have patience. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6240
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:19:00 -
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Nothing like a POS to get us involved. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1019
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:29:00 -
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These expansions are really clashing with the gallente ship line |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
455
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's desperately needed
Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.
As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.
To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
245
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:48:00 -
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CCP has a road map, and POS are confirmed to be next as the major overhaul. |
KATAL MATU
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:48:00 -
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I like Snot Shot's idea. Just remove sov entirely. He gives a good explanation in more detail in the ideas and suggestions area, but the basics are to just remove it instead of trying to fix it.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352842&find=unread |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:50:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. It shouldn't take six weeks to do something as simple as removing supers from the game.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6240
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:51:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's desperately needed Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population. As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that. To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov. And here we were told pos only affected a small portion of the players ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10735
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:54:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's desperately needed Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population. As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that. To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov. As a wormholler you're a much smaller subset of the population.
Nullsec players are, in all likelihood, one of the larger groups in EVE. Not smaller. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
120
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:08:00 -
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If what I hear is true and CCP is really overhauling POS's. Wouldn't that mean they are somehow dealing with the old spaghetti? and if that's true then I don't see why sov mechanics would'nt be on a todo list of things they can now play with.
Course CCP would need to verify that I w0uld think.
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Someone mentioned player made stargates. I completely forgot about those, but imagine how epic that would actually be with the game mechanics all squeaky clean. Even more so than before. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1922
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:18:00 -
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Rhes wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. It shouldn't take six weeks to do something as simple as removing supers from the game. While I would enjoy seeing that, we both know that won't happen. |
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical Ineluctable.
414
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's desperately needed Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population. As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that. To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov. As a wormholler you're a much smaller subset of the population. Nullsec players are, in all likelihood, one of the larger groups in EVE. Not smaller.
People who use POS dwarf both the wormhole and sov null populations as all of wormholes use pos and parts of High,low and null use them.
Yeh Sov is buggered atm. But Pos Overhaul is probably a better first step as it could intertwine with sov
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10744
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:31:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's desperately needed Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population. As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that. To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov. As a wormholler you're a much smaller subset of the population. Nullsec players are, in all likelihood, one of the larger groups in EVE. Not smaller. People who use POS dwarf both the wormhole and sov null populations as all of wormholes use pos and parts of High,low and null use them. Only if you define "use a pos" as "occasionally sits behind shields", sure. Otherwise no. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Conjaq
Mid-Grade Mercenaries Courageous Cowards
9
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:39:00 -
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A complete 0.0 rebelance done right requires extensive and potentially game changing changes. As they say Rome was not build in one day, and this is exactly the example where the phrase fits perfectly. It was mentioned by ccp seagull, that before they can do serious rework of 0.0 they need to make the mechanics of the game ready for it. Which is exactly what they are doing. Now industry, then pos mechanics, and then whatever was listed on that power point presentation. And then when all the ground work is done, they'll work on so mechanics. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2207
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:41:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:6 Weeks. Comprehensive Sov Overhaul. Pick one or the other, there's no way you're gonna get any sort of sov overhaul in 6 weeks. Lucky they have 9 weeks then till Hyperion. That extra 3 weeks is going to make all the difference. Surely. What could go wrong? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
472
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.
what a momentous day, I never thought I'd see a Goon whining about supercapitals
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4121
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:46:00 -
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All it needs is a really heavy hammer. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
142
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:54:00 -
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The answer to the sov problem.
Give it a try gais. Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
Gettz Squall
modro Circle-Of-Two
9
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:54:00 -
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I do agree with the OP...especially regarding the sov overhaul |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:00:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed. what a momentous day, I never thought I'd see a Goon whining about supercapitals
we already won the supercapital game a few months back, soooo Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10746
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:00:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed. what a momentous day, I never thought I'd see a Goon whining about supercapitals Should I be honored that of all the numerous posts on the subject, mine is the first one you pay attention to?
Supercapitals have been a problem for a long time, and we've been saying so for a long time. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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