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Siefer Nine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:03:00 -
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Looking for some info on how these work... If I wanted to mine in low sec using a venture. could I set these up in a safe spot or something and fill them with ore and collect it later with a hauler.
Can they be destroyed by pirates ? can they be scanned down ? Provided I scout and get my hauler in and out safely and don't loose any ships it is a viable thing to do.. im seeking fun mining.
side note. gas clouds are the common in low sec. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:15:00 -
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I don't think pirates target anchored structures. They usually just concern themselves with blowing up your ship.
Using mobile depots as a storage facility isn't a terrific idea because they don't have a ton of storage space. You'd be better off jetcanning and coming back with a hauler, but jetcans only last for two hours I believe.
If I recall correctly, anchorables cannot be scanned down with probes (they can be spotted on d-scan though). Jetcans definitely can't be probed down. So if you leave your stuff in a random pocket of space it should be safe unless they catch you with a probe while you're there. |
Siefer Nine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:17:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:I don't think pirates target anchored structures. They usually just concern themselves with blowing up your ship.
Using mobile depots as a storage facility isn't a terrific idea because they don't have a ton of storage space. You'd be better off jetcanning and coming back with a hauler, but jetcans only last for two hours I believe.
If I recall correctly, anchorables cannot be scanned down with probes (they can be spotted on d-scan though). Jetcans definitely can't be probed down. So if you leave your stuff in a random pocket of space it should be safe unless they catch you with a probe while you're there.
I could set up like 50 depots in a safe spot a few au from a belt though right? and the tractor beam one has a fairly large cargo hold. This is sounding like it could be fun..
how common are gas clouds in low sec. ive have some probeing skills. and how much gas m3 do you get out of a average cloud |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:44:00 -
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MTUs especially are often attacked (free killmail + extra loot) and die rather easily. Depots not so much because they have a reinforce timer, however they have very poor storage.
Anchorables can be scanned down using combat probes pretty easily.
Best bet is probably to ferry your load to station each time your hold is full, unless others have better ideas (I don't really mine so can't help much with tricks of the trade).
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Siefer Nine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 03:52:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:MTUs especially are often attacked (free killmail + extra loot) and die rather easily. In fact MTUs are often killed first, before the ship using it, as otherwise it will often steal the loot from your own wreck before the attackers can plunder it. Depots aren't so vulnerable because they have a reinforce timer, however they have very poor storage.
Anchorables can be scanned down using combat probes pretty easily.
Best bet is probably to ferry your load to station each time your hold is full, unless others have better ideas (I don't really mine so can't help much with tricks of the trade).
Grumble :-( dam. Thanks for the info. Any one have and suggetions.. mining in low sec for fun.. any tricks of the trade? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.07.22 04:01:00 -
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You can drop a freight container at a safe spot and pick up later if jetcan times are too short. IIRC correctly they're pretty unscannable, your ship isn't though , and will stay until downtime. Scoop it when your done and deploy it in another safe next time you mine.
Never use the same safe more than once, change them every time you deploy the contaner, if you see combat probes on directional while you're there abandon, or scoop the container if you're in your hauler. DO NOT return to collect it, you'll probably explode.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.07.22 04:41:00 -
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Siefer Nine wrote:Grumble :-( dam. Thanks for the info. Any one have and suggetions.. mining in low sec for fun.. any tricks of the trade? Warp core stabilizers are your best friend. Find a quiet system and learn to love local and dscan. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:27:00 -
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All of this could be a little wrong.
On MTUs - they are very easily scanned down. IIRC they are about as easy to scan down as a passive shield tanked battleship (i.e. easier than almost any subcap).
Mobile depots are harder to scan down. A standard one is about as hard to scan down as a cruiser (not passive shield tanked) or a frigate with sigrad increasing shield modules. The meta ones are harder to scan - the cheap one is on par with a frigate and the expensive one is on the exact limit of what can be scanned down without using Virtue probes.
On lowsec mining generally: A Venture or Prospect is the best choice. The Venture has its built-in wapr stabilization making it hard to kill unless you can kill it in one volley. The Prospect has a super-low sigrad, making it hard to find (if you are using combat scanner probes) and hard to acquire a target lock on, giving you more time to escape.
If you go with the Prospect, play to its strengths and fit for agility (fast warping) not tank.
When there is a hostile or neutral in local, keep watching D-scan and warp out immediately if something is suspicious. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:27:00 -
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You can set up an mtu in a belt that will tractor in your jet cans full of ore. You can then come back in an indy and pick it all up. I certainly wouldn't suggest it as a low sec activity though. But hey, take a chance, have some fun. |
Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:07:00 -
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Mobile depot with it's reinforcement timer is pretty safe but it only has 3k cargo capacity so that's less then one full venture. It's more designed to store ship fittings.
Frankly if you're operating in lowsec it's best to just drop ore at a local station. Only if you're ninja-mining in null would i seriously consider a MTU placed in a system without stations, and you have to be ready to write it off if someone finds you.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:59:00 -
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As mentioned above, mtu's act like a beacon. I could warp to it long before I could have you. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2014.07.22 10:16:00 -
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Then again... why mine in lowsec in first place... When I watched some 4 seasons tv show and did mining many of the low sec rocks pop'd on high sec anomalies anyway and mining on good quiet 0.5 system you get pretty decent large rocks. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2014.07.22 10:41:00 -
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If you wish to mine in low sec, you could always try to come into agreement with "local" pvp groups to see if they will let you mine in regions they patrol. Depends on who you approach, you will get sometimes pretty good results, maybe even friends. A venture is often considered not worth the KM or security status drop, at least where I fly, but certainly it works as nice attraction to bring something that can be pew pew worthy into grid. Better yet if you can fly procurer.
Try talking to low sec dwellers. Often you find these people rather reasonable and probably they will turn you eve experience into better should you be able to join them / befriend them.
( o _O)7 Good luck in your ventures. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:13:00 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote:If you wish to mine in low sec, you could always try to come into agreement with "local" pvp groups to see if they will let you mine in regions they patrol. Depends on who you approach, you will get sometimes pretty good results, maybe even friends. A venture is often considered not worth the KM or security status drop, at least where I fly, but certainly it works as nice attraction to bring something that can be pew pew worthy into grid. Better yet if you can fly procurer.
Try talking to low sec dwellers. Often you find these people rather reasonable and probably they will turn you eve experience into better should you be able to join them / befriend them.
( o _O)7 Good luck in your ventures.
I often see if I can pop a venture before it can align out but if they are really new I will fleet with them and use them as bait. Its a win-win. I can pop rats for them and they draw in easy fights for me. |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:19:00 -
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Pirates shoot MTUs...
I'm not a pirate... yet, but I tend to shoot at everything just to see what happens. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:37:00 -
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Samuel Triptee wrote:Pirates shoot MTUs...
I'm not a pirate... yet, but I tend to shoot at everything just to see what happens. Say hai to Gully for me.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:52:00 -
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Samuel Triptee wrote:Pirates shoot MTUs...
I'm not a pirate... yet, but I tend to shoot at everything just to see what happens. Confirming its immensely entertaining to soot mtu's. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:11:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:I don't think pirates target anchored structures. They usually just concern themselves with blowing up your ship.
Using mobile depots as a storage facility isn't a terrific idea because they don't have a ton of storage space. You'd be better off jetcanning and coming back with a hauler, but jetcans only last for two hours I believe.
If I recall correctly, anchorables cannot be scanned down with probes (they can be spotted on d-scan though). Jetcans definitely can't be probed down. So if you leave your stuff in a random pocket of space it should be safe unless they catch you with a probe while you're there.
Yes pirates target anchorable MTUs and MDs; and yes MTUs and MDs can be scanned down. There are meta versions of MDs that are more difficult to scan but they are expensive and rare. MDs have a reinforcement timer and can be scooped while it is in reinforcement. So as long as you are paying attention to your MD you really shouldnt lose it.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:13:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You can drop an enormous freight container at a safe spot, drop off ore/gas as you work and pick it up later if jetcan times are too short. IIRC correctly they're pretty unscannable, your ship isn't though , and will stay until downtime. I'm not sure if they can be scooped and redeployed after use though. Never use the same safe more than once, change them every time you deploy a container, if you see combat probes on directional while you're there grab as much of the container contents as you can and GTFO. DO NOT return to collect the rest, you'll probably explode.
How are you dropping a efc in lowsec (which is what the op asked about) without using a freighter? And using a freighter in lowsec to haul ore is an invitation to have it asspolded.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19696
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:37:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You can drop an enormous freight container at a safe spot, drop off ore/gas as you work and pick it up later if jetcan times are too short. IIRC correctly they're pretty unscannable, your ship isn't though , and will stay until downtime. I'm not sure if they can be scooped and redeployed after use though. Never use the same safe more than once, change them every time you deploy a container, if you see combat probes on directional while you're there grab as much of the container contents as you can and GTFO. DO NOT return to collect the rest, you'll probably explode. How are you dropping a efc in lowsec (which is what the op asked about) without using a freighter? And using a freighter in lowsec to haul ore is an invitation to have it asspolded. Look at the packaged size, they're only 1000m3 and can be carried in a T1 hauler. It's only when jettisoned or assembled that they become unmanageable by anything but freighters.
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