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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:05:00 -
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Hello, i'm in a need of your advices. I'm tired of drones and missiles as main weapons. Tired of sitting. For lower level PvE (ie lvl 3 missions, low sec ratting), i use my AFs with joy, really fun. I'm looking for a ship in the same spirit for higher level PvE (combat sites, sleepers, ratting in null, lvl 4 missions...) When i hear about T3 cruisers, it's mostly the Tengu. What about the legion, the loki, or a proteus railguns ? Any other idea ? a HAC maybe ? (I'm flying Ishtar usually, but as i said, i'm tired of sitting next to my sentries) Maybe a pirat cruiser ? or any battleship fun to fly ? I'm not looking for the best isk/hour ship, neither a 3 billions pimpmobile. I'm looking for the most fun ship able to survive in a reasonable way to the classical PvE activities.
Thanks for your suggestions Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
erg cz
Sliperer
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:16:00 -
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Machariel? |
Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:26:00 -
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i used to use AF's in lvl 3's and even most 4's, just because i could.
Lvl 4's, a 'fun' ship is a different idea...
So, you could use a tengu, and if you use ONE small shield booster (pith b or something) it can tank a lvl 4 just fine, but you HAVE to use an afterburner. The two combined help to make the ship feel less powerful than it is. Hus HAMS in this setup.
you mention wanting to 'move' and use guns--then suggest rails. NO RAILS. Use blasters. Rails are terrible, and not very much fun at all in PvE.
If you want 'challenge" type of fun in your level 4, and to use guns, you a deimos. Do not use a plate as part of your tank, but DO use 2 medium reppers. If you want a good fit, you will HAVE to use a capacitor booster (not a recharger) to hope to stay cap stable. Used with blasters, dual reps, and an AB a Deimos will roll through missions, but you have to use your brains to do it.
The above can also be done with many of the porate faction cruisers.
The trick to getting a "fun" ship for lvl 4's, is flying something you could die in, if you're not paying attention. Missiles are too easy to use, railguns keep you out of any REAL danger... so, close range, and SPEED tanking. you will find the faster you move, the more you can tank.
A proteus works the same way the deimos does, but you dont need dual reps, or even the speed. the tank is overpowering, but the DPS leaves something to be desired. I never found the proteus to be a 'fun' ship. The legion does the WRONG type of damage for 90% of missions, and takes 3 times longer to do a thing than a deimos or proteus. same tank. Loki ... never honestly tried one. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2239
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:01:00 -
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This.
You cannot go wrong with mach especially now when it is fastest warping BS. And sitting mach is dead mach so you gotta move it move it while blap blap blap those red crosses :)
Fair warning though: mach needs proper skills to shine and "proper" means "high". So none of that BS I bullsh!t and dragging every mission for hours because you can't shoot straight for sh!t. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3341
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:14:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with using rails on Gallente ships for PvE. Oh god. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
677
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Posted - 2014.07.22 10:38:00 -
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Asking for a fun ship for PvE is like asking for a fun pew for church.
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
306
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Posted - 2014.07.22 15:41:00 -
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Machariel is indeed an appealing choice, but my skills have so far been oriented in quite a different direction, so i'll keep that goal for later this year. I was wondering if i could maybe fly a blaster boat, like Deimos or Proteus, or maybe a brawler from the Minmatar side. The question is : would medium turrets be able to deal with npc frigates if they get too close, in a ship gifted with a tracking bonus ? Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
655
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:37:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:Machariel is indeed an appealing choice, but my skills have so far been oriented in quite a different direction, so i'll keep that goal for later this year. I was wondering if i could maybe fly a blaster boat, like Deimos or Proteus, or maybe a brawler from the Minmatar side. The question is : would medium turrets be able to deal with npc frigates if they get too close, in a ship gifted with a tracking bonus ?
Yes, bonused medium blasters should have no trouble dealing with frigs. A Deimos or a Proteus definitely have the tank/dps to do L4 missions. The problem is range, having to get to point blank range of every single rat wastes alot of time and is hugely inefficient. Because of this rails would be a better choice 90% of the time. Medium rails were buffed quite significantly and are in a good place now. The Deimos and Proteus also get drones so frigates shouldn't be a problem as you can just set a flight of lights on them. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
831
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:22:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Asking for a fun ship for PvE is like asking for a fun pew for church.
Take your ships out for pvp... fun achieved |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
668
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:07:00 -
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A dualrep-pvp-hyperion (the ganky one with two magstabs, 4 neutrons, 2 ions) runs everything from L4s to c3-sites or if in need also ganks the people that run the anom you're looking at. Also runs DED sites and has an utility high for a scan probe launcher. Downside: If you're caught, you're caught. And everyone wants to gank you.
Else, try a ganky blasterdeimos ;) Tanks a L4 on repper+hardener, leaving some 8 slots open for dps. Can even rep capstable after installing a mwd on native cap recharge. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
296
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Posted - 2014.07.23 10:29:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:Machariel is indeed an appealing choice, but my skills have so far been oriented in quite a different direction, so i'll keep that goal for later this year. I was wondering if i could maybe fly a blaster boat, like Deimos or Proteus, or maybe a brawler from the Minmatar side. The question is : would medium turrets be able to deal with npc frigates if they get too close, in a ship gifted with a tracking bonus ? Yes, bonused medium blasters should have no trouble dealing with frigs. A Deimos or a Proteus definitely have the tank/dps to do L4 missions. The problem is range, having to get to point blank range of every single rat wastes alot of time and is hugely inefficient. Because of this rails would be a better choice 90% of the time. Medium rails were buffed quite significantly and are in a good place now. The Deimos and Proteus also get drones so frigates shouldn't be a problem as you can just set a flight of lights on them.
That.
Flying a rail Proteus and it works fine for missions. (Lack of damage type selection is kind of annoying though, compared to my previous domi spider setup, which got a bit boring, though.)
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
306
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:29:00 -
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Many good ideas so far. I'll try the Deimos with blasters then with rails, while i'm training for the Mach. I just got a silly idea : usually, the MJD is used in the Dominix to get away from the crowd and then launch the sentries, right ? What about using it in the opposite way, to jump in the middle of the crowd with say a megathron blaster, or some other brawler BS ? Could it work ? Remember, this thread is not about isk/hour, nor about PvP. It's about fun in PvE. Thanks Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
668
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Posted - 2014.07.23 12:12:00 -
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Large Blasters with Null are quite decent for pve. On a mega, you get some 35km range out of that. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Burnz Andven
Lincoln Corporation Independent Stars Allied Forces
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:08:00 -
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I use my loki for lvl 4 missions regurly. You will be close up in the action as you will need to be close range to take battleships down effiiciently. With the right fit it can be quick and agile and i honestly have fun in it as your not just sitting there keeping in range. Not saying its the best ship for lvl 4 missions but i have fun in it, and its worth a try. One good thing about it is you will actually have to "fly it" not sat there in god mode, whihc might just make some missions alittle more interesting for you. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Suddenly Frigates Reconstructed Criticism
125
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:01:00 -
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Burnz Andven wrote:I use my loki for lvl 4 missions regularly. You will be close up in the action as you will need to be close range to take battleships down efficiently. I don't use drones with mine and get just over 500 dps, speed is 1200 which closes most ships down fairly quickly, you will need abit of training with this though to maximise the loki. With the right fit it can be quick and agile and i honestly have fun in it as your not just sitting there keeping in range. Its also versatile so you can play around with the fit to suit your flying style. Frigs can be a problem if you don't take them down quick enough, but as you know this is common with other ships too. Not saying its the best ship for lvl 4 missions but i have fun in it, and its worth a try. One good thing about it is you will actually have to "fly it" not sat there in god mode, which might just make some missions a little more interesting for you.
use a paper tank raven navy with max t2 fit and fly a guri assault or blockade, thats becoming fun too aka do i have to flee or can i pound them in the ground fast enough before my tank breaks. ^^ |
Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor
58
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:46:00 -
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Personally, I think fun + PvE = looking sexeh in my Rail Rokh!! :) Cedric
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River Maira
Epitaph Explorations
0
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:24:00 -
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Used to use an AC Maelstrom for lvl 4's, switched to an AC Mach. Now I used a Sleipnir, as far as doing lvl 4's is concerned it's the most fun I've had. I might have jammed a large pith x booster on it with a pith x boost amp so I'm never in danger of losing it buuuut whatever. |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.07.28 02:39:00 -
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I fly a 1007 dps Gila often. It's fun and nothing like seeing a single medium drone volley for 3500 damage. :) |
Sinnish Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:46:00 -
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Missioning and "fun" don't mix. Go out to low/null and run anom sites(the ones you don't scan down). You'll have to watch local/dscan to survive and plan out your route to avoid camps etc.
I feel dirty in high sec. Much more enjoyable to me to be in some deep sov null system with people in local while running a good site. Makes it more immersed game play for me. Surviving rats is easy, players..not as easy.
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
309
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Posted - 2014.07.29 17:16:00 -
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Sinnish Saken wrote:Missioning and "fun" don't mix. Go out to low/null and run anom sites(the ones you don't scan down). You'll have to watch local/dscan to survive and plan out your route to avoid camps etc.
I feel dirty in high sec. Much more enjoyable to me to be in some deep sov null system with people in local while running a good site. Makes it more immersed game play for me. Surviving rats is easy, players..not as easy.
No one has to tell me how i have to play, what is or is not fun. You feel "dirty" in high sec ? Dude, you should relax a bit. No one has told you that this is just a video game ? You think you are a kind of heroe because you are going in null sec ? A true viril man, hmm ? If you really want to be someone impressive, go do something constructive in real life.
Oh, and i forgot... i too, go to play in ls, null or ws as well. And yet i don't feel the pathetic need to brag about it, to give lessons and to despise the ones who don't play my way. Heroe of a video game... Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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Sinnish Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:09:00 -
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You came to the forums asking for suggestions on how to play the game, accept mine or don't.
Fun, engaging, immersive...pick your poison. Turning red crosses into triangles isn't what I consider fun, nor challenging. The real threat in this game, I'm aware its a game, are players. Dodging players while farming the isk to replace my ship when I do get caught is how I have fun...for now.
Thank me for the suggestion and move on...ya bear :) |
NIFTYGetAtMe
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:21:00 -
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If you're interested in lvl 3's and want a challenge/fun, try the Phantasm out. Other than that, a HAC would work for lvl 3's. Maybe a Navy Cruiser as well. If lvl 4's are your thing, a Mach is fun. |
Shobon Blueshooter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 04:01:00 -
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Sinnish Saken wrote:Missioning and "fun" don't mix. Go out to low/null and run anom sites(the ones you don't scan down). You'll have to watch local/dscan to survive and plan out your route to avoid camps etc.
I feel dirty in high sec. Much more enjoyable to me to be in some deep sov null system with people in local while running a good site. Makes it more immersed game play for me. Surviving rats is easy, players..not as easy.
You should take this guy's advice. Make some isk with missions, but take a T1 cruiser or frigate out to LowSec once in a while. They're inexpensive and PvP is a lot of fun, so find some like-minded pals and go kill people. |
Gustav Mannfred
Die letzten lebenden Roamer Most Usual Suspects
104
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Posted - 2014.07.31 14:52:00 -
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The Astarte is also a fun ship for running L4s, it has a better killspeed than the mach, especially on smaller rats. i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
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