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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2014.07.23 04:23:00 -
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Woops! One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
450
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Posted - 2014.07.23 04:44:00 -
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Hahaha that's great. |
Jim Womack
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
12
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Posted - 2014.07.23 04:45:00 -
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FeroxFlux
THE AESIR.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 05:19:00 -
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I think the point that was being made is that the few of us that were on were willing to give a fight to someone we had a feeling we were going to lose to. They had a fleet that outmanned us, but we were bored and wanted to have a little fun in the form of a fight. The result, as you can see, is one guy ISBoxing 20 Ishtars into us, which didn't even lead to what one would remotely consider a good fight.
We lost internet spaceships, we don't care. What we gained is insight into an alliance in W-space that we will not give good fights to in the future, even made more evident by the SSC responses in this thread. Nothing more, nothing less. And before this erupts into a `lel aesir QQ`, I do want to thank SSC for giving our comms something to laugh about.
We'll save our good fights for people like Iso 5, Hawks, Hard Knocks, etc, until they display the same behavior that SSC displayed. |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
257
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Posted - 2014.07.23 05:26:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Nerf Cap escalations. Being able to plex such ridiculousness shouldn't be easily feasible.
Another point is that PLEX is sooo expensive currently that even ISBoxing that many toons in a c5/c6 to plex the accounts would only be for those play the game way too much.
I wouldnt worry as this just means more ganking for the rest of us in WH space as these IS Boxer blobs are great for padding our killboards!!!! Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
461
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Posted - 2014.07.23 05:58:00 -
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FeroxFlux wrote:I do want to thank SSC for giving our comms something to laugh about. We aim to please.
W-Space Realtor |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
257
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:42:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:The point about IS Boxer and people who run 30 accounts I would like to make is this. It is true that they are a good customer (because someone is paying per month per account either themselves or a PLEX).
However, they represent only revenue, not an opportunity for CCP to grow the brand of EVE online via having, firstly, a balanced game without exploits and macro botting and all that ****; if CCP needs the revenue it is better to get 24 individual customers versus one 24 account IS Boxer because two dozen individuals have far greater power to convince their mates to join, to expound upon the game in blogs and videos, and grow the brand.
They also have a millionth the ability to ruin the game for other players via IS Boxing in PVP (or indeed, stripping whole C5s of anomalies solo, depriving others of income) which is unfair due to synchronicity of Ishtar drone DPS, etcetera, which could result in dropped subscriptions and revenue.
Clearly CCP is not moving on IS Boxer because the majority of people make do with two screens, two clients, and skill, versus pay-to-win. It is, however, bad economics and bad strategy in my opinion. Deal with 23 less subs per month, replace them with nubs, and power of twos, and grow the business sustainably.
+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....
Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
MrSnooze
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:31:00 -
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bfff all that complaining ... as you guys have never been blopped ... believe it or not we get blopped as well and do be honest where is the difference if 20 more different people appear on the field or 20 accounts piloted by one player ... in the end you face 20 more ships ... live with it its EVE !!
and one more hint .... but dont tell it someone else ... in wspace its quite a lot of baiting and having people in reserve , most good wspace corps have a vanguard fleet and a main fleet waiting hidden somewhere else.
and sometimes we just wanna laugh :D
James Arget for CSM 8!
http://csm.fcftw.org
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Van Steiza
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
65
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Posted - 2014.07.23 12:55:00 -
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Couple of my farmers got killed by him, I genuinely found it quite funny at the time.
However I can see the issue when you guys might run into another pvp entity with say 20 or 30 t3's and the target entity has the same numbers then this guy brings 15 ishtars. At that point I would imagine the target wouldnt feel to confident in the idea of fighting. Thats a pretty extreme advantage in say a magnetar where I live for example. One person adding a huge advantage in fleet numbers in dps which would make alot of people resistant to fight.
Isboxer is great for alot of things as I have used it myself for things like dual boxing guardians or dreads etc. The issue I think is when you have people with 20 or 30 accounts swaying so heavily in one direction a fight with only one person being at the controls.
Thats just my opinion anyway. |
Jim Womack
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
12
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:54:00 -
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Over the past two years that I have been in this corp I think we for the most part have spent a consider amount of effort to engage in most pvp fights with a fair fleet comp trying to keep the "good" fights wspace is known for. Hell we have often lost fights in our own system by trying to not capital blob our opponents.
Have we blobed people before? For sure what large wspace corp/alliance hasn't? I'm sure we will continue to on occasion have a blob fleet however we tend to try and limit our fleet sizes and comp to fit the situation.
Our multiboxers ask the fc how many toons they are allowed to bring and go with it, some times it's 1 ... others it's 5... once in a blue moon it's screw it bring all the things.
But considering the image we have built for ourselves over the past years as a trustworthy and fair corp I find some of the opinions in this thread are probably a bit hastily made. |
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Traiori
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
25
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:54:00 -
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Far be it from me to not jump on the hate train, but I like rolling into FCFTW because they tend to try to bring a fair fight. Perhaps you're right and the ISBoxer's are taking over, but my experience of them has been that they try to bring equal numbers to whatever you can bring.
Though, yes, I find that guy frankly hilarious. I think everyone does. I mean: Nestors? |
Galo Entie
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
20
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:27:00 -
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Well our Alliance saw this guy in our hole, and had some fun. He was running sites, so we decided to cap escalate for him. (I was not a part of this fleet, it was another corpy).
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Fundito Jones
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2014.07.23 22:44:00 -
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Hi Saint! Would you like to talk about this? Im here for you man, you dont have to go through this alone! |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
160
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Posted - 2014.07.23 23:08:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:
+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....
First time in the wormhole forums eh?
You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
263
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Posted - 2014.07.24 01:03:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Andiedeath wrote:
+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....
First time in the wormhole forums eh?
LOL! Not the first by a long way... But just wanted to make sure one of the only educated responces got bumped to the top peoples minds again... Coming from a marketing background, I hope CCP's marketing team actually take note.... Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:24:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Andiedeath wrote:
+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....
First time in the wormhole forums eh? LOL! Not the first by a long way... But just wanted to make sure one of the only educated responces got bumped to the top peoples minds again... Coming from a marketing background, I hope CCP's marketing team actually take note.... Totally agree... Make the Eula cover any kind of macro usage, and clearly ban IsBoxer. "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Verisimilidude 001
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
6
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Posted - 2014.07.24 06:32:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:The point about IS Boxer and people who run 30 accounts I would like to make is this. It is true that they are a good customer (because someone is paying per month per account either themselves or a PLEX).
However, they represent only revenue, not an opportunity for CCP to grow the brand of EVE online via having, firstly, a balanced game without exploits and macro botting and all that ****; if CCP needs the revenue it is better to get 24 individual customers versus one 24 account IS Boxer because two dozen individuals have far greater power to convince their mates to join, to expound upon the game in blogs and videos, and grow the brand.
They also have a millionth the ability to ruin the game for other players via IS Boxing in PVP (or indeed, stripping whole C5s of anomalies solo, depriving others of income) which is unfair due to synchronicity of Ishtar drone DPS, etcetera, which could result in dropped subscriptions and revenue.
Clearly CCP is not moving on IS Boxer because the majority of people make do with two screens, two clients, and skill, versus pay-to-win. It is, however, bad economics and bad strategy in my opinion. Deal with 23 less subs per month, replace them with nubs, and power of twos, and grow the business sustainably.
I'll address this specific post but leave most of the rest alone--My corpmates have done a stellar job speaking to other points raised in this thread :)
ISBoxer isn't botting or macroing in any sense of the word. It doesn't automate any activity whatsoever and, by itself, generates no game input at all. Its most useful application is actually information collation--If you check out my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBPbR-sPck) you'll see that being able to rearrange the user interface of 20 characters is vastly more useful than being able to clone mouse clicks.
It's a silly statement that multiboxers slow or reverse the growth of Eve as a game. We create content in the same way that any other player or group of players do (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6xEx7YL38&feature=youtu.be). I do strip C5s of their anomalies, but generally only deploy to systems that have 5+ built up. One could argue that I'm actually doing a service to WH space by redistributing anomalies from backwater systems to more-used ones and creating other content (see "cap escalations"). It's no more unfair than a group of people putting together their own non-escalation farming group.
Eve is an inherently unfair game. If that thought is unsettling then perhaps you should consider another?
In conclusion, CCP isn't moving on ISBoxer because it doesn't actually negatively impact anyone.
@OP That was a good fight. Our corp laughed a lot on TS, it sounds like your corp laughed on TS too. What more do you want from a fight?
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
8
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Posted - 2014.07.24 08:13:00 -
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banning isBoxer wont help as on place of isboxer something other may came up. just apply IP/HOST limitations max 3 accounts per ip/host and problem will be solved
oh i began mining in c2 wormhole and accidently decloaked proteus on front of me, didnt shot me but he was orbiting my barge 500m later another prot came in and firework tengu it pointed me and got fireworks for 5minutes afer making fun of me they warped out to their hole |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
457
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Posted - 2014.07.24 08:15:00 -
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Verisimilidude 001 wrote: @OP That was a good fight. Our corp laughed a lot on TS, it sounds like your corp laughed on TS too. What more do you want from a fight?
The Answer: Winning Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
47
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:22:00 -
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Verisimilidude 001 wrote:ISBoxer isn't botting or macroing in any sense of the word. It doesn't automate any activity whatsoever and, by itself, generates no game input at all. Its most useful application is actually information collation--If you check out my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBPbR-sPck) you'll see that being able to rearrange the user interface of 20 characters is vastly more useful than being able to clone mouse clicks. It's a silly statement that multiboxers slow or reverse the growth of Eve as a game. We create content in the same way that any other player or group of players do (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6xEx7YL38&feature=youtu.be). I do strip C5s of their anomalies, but generally only deploy to systems that have 5+ built up. One could argue that I'm actually doing a service to WH space by redistributing anomalies from backwater systems to more-used ones and creating other content (see "cap escalations"). It's no more unfair than a group of people putting together their own non-escalation farming group. Eve is an inherently unfair game. If that thought is unsettling then perhaps you should consider another? In conclusion, CCP isn't moving on ISBoxer because it doesn't actually negatively impact anyone.
That is your view on the topic. For many people ISBoxer has a negative impact on their game. The question is if it outweights the good. And whilest ISBoxer isn-¦t botting or macroing the program violates the EULA. Maybe you don-¦t use the features of it that do so. Also it gives you a pay-to-win advantage over nonusers, no way around that. CCP looked at both sides of it, then puts it against the trouble and costs to keep ISBoxer out and decided not to move against it for now.
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Verisimilidude 001
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
9
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:43:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Verisimilidude 001 wrote: @OP That was a good fight. Our corp laughed a lot on TS, it sounds like your corp laughed on TS too. What more do you want from a fight?
The Answer: Winning
Well played sir, well played.
Shilalasar wrote:That is your view on the topic. For many people ISBoxer has a negative impact on their game. The question is if it outweights the good. And whilest ISBoxer isn-¦t botting or macroing the program violates the EULA. Maybe you don-¦t use the features of it that do so. Also it gives you a pay-to-win advantage over nonusers, no way around that. CCP looked at both sides of it, then puts it against the trouble and costs to keep ISBoxer out and decided not to move against it for now.
It expressly doesn't violate the EULA, as CCP has clearly stated. I respect that you do feel it has a negative impact on the game by giving a person a pay-to-win advantage--Can you explain that more?
From my perspective, it's a fair trade--Yes, I can solo a C5 site in 8 minutes, but I also have to fit and risk 20 ships to do so. Someone usually won't blow up just one of my ships; he'll blow up all of them. When running Nestors, I have about 6 billion in hull and mods on the field. I also have to make sure I don't use too much mass on the static, scan the whole chain down, gather intel on any residents who may be in the chain etc.
In short, I can make ISK 20 times faster, but I have 20 times the ships to support. The only unequaled bonus I get for multiboxing is being able to do a site without waiting for other people with the proper skills/ships. If that's what you're looking for, then perhaps consider finding another corporation? |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
14615
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:58:00 -
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Welp, as a habitual multiboxer myself (who has never used ISBoxer though, just good old multiple monitors) I find what you do kinda inspiring and it looks like a ton of fun.
Banning ISboxer? Really? People complain about a million other things in EVE a million times harder and even those things they don't call to be "banned". I think there's certainly a little bit of subconscious envy at play - I know I'd certainly love to have the hardware, skill and money to do what this guy is doing.
From what I read, see and am told it's sure as hell not paying to get an advantage - unless you're talking about seiging a stationary object then maybe, lol. It takes quite a lot of skill and practice I'm sure, and has as many downsides as it does upsides. Like others have already said in the thread this ISBoxer in question also dies as much as he wins so... *shrugs*
It really doesn't hurt anyone imo, it's good for CCP's bank (which is good for our game's development) and doesn't effect my EVE. And it spurs threads like this with hilarious screenshots and lots of misconcpetions plus a few tears.
Makes my little Dusette Squad look like a kindergarten playgroup and I salute you sir.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Borsek
A.A.A
211
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Posted - 2014.07.24 10:09:00 -
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Reminds me of people complaining about the 1-man-mining-herds in hisec.... |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
476
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Posted - 2014.07.24 10:23:00 -
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Borsek wrote:Reminds me of people complaining about the 1-man-mining-herds in hisec....
he's up to about 80 people now ice mining and yeah a fair few are moaning he clears out ice belts before they can do much. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
502
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:28:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote: Makes my little Dusette Squad look like a kindergarten playgroup
What's your squad doing later? How 'bout a playdate ;)?
(insert joke that got me warning here) If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
14675
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:37:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Erica Dusette wrote: Makes my little Dusette Squad look like a kindergarten playgroup
What's your squad doing later? How 'bout a playdate ;)? (insert joke that got me warning here) All my girls, versus ... you?
Even without ISboxer you wouldn't last 2 minutes.
And I'm not talkin' about in space either. :-*
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
504
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:40:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Erica Dusette wrote: Makes my little Dusette Squad look like a kindergarten playgroup
What's your squad doing later? How 'bout a playdate ;)? (insert joke that got me warning here) All my girls, versus ... you? Even without ISboxer you wouldn't last 2 minutes. And I'm not talkin' about in space either. :-*
It's okay I have boys and girls too) I think more than you actually... We can get dirty and ashamed with it If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Corben Arctus
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
16
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:47:00 -
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Starts training 20 Muninn alts. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
524
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:25:00 -
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Corben Arctus wrote:Starts training 20 Muninn alts.
bbysleipsleips <3
imagine the terror once they get Sleipnirs .-. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
471
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:02:00 -
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- Multiple Pilots [Check] - Sentry Drones hitting one Target [Check] - Ability to coordinate Reps [Check] - CCP lowering Skillqueue for Carrier Pilots [Check] - Privatized SSC 20 Archon/Chimera Homedefense Fleet [Check]
The Isk motivation that guy has is not only "plexing" but here is some funny Math
Carrier Skills 1b*n(Alts) Carrier 4b*n(Alts) Shelter 500m (L Pos Fuel) + 2-3b In pos Mods
Lets assume n = 20 ... Thats 20b in Skills 80b in Archons or Chimeras given seasonal Flavor 4b in initial Pos cost (wanna make that thing PRETTY)
thats roughly a Titan, now lets talk monthly with a plex price being at .. 750m hopefully soon (i know optimizm right) thats a rough 15b Plex cost per Month.
Now LETS ASSUME it would still take 9 months for a decent Carrier pilot that can utilize slow cats... that would be 135b in Plex + 4,5b in Pos fuel ... soo within 9 Months he has to come up with 243,5B Isk.
Thats actually not that "unlikely" and sooo it began in ...
Edit:
ONE DOES NOT NEED JUMP SKILLS IN WORMHOLES! Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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