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Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:33:00 -
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It seems with the new patch everything will cost more to make, especially t2s. While this is little problem for big alliance who srp I am worried it will be bad for the game as a whole. Forcing people to become even more risk averse and decreasing the variety of ships used.
Isks facets in the game are pretty set and have been repeatedly nerfed over time. Bounties seem to be the only thing that actually inject isk into the market, with lp and the like only moving the isk around. As manufacturing cost go up ship get more expensive but the amount of money made in the game as a base stays the same.
This seems to indicate that as prices go up so must grinding to inject more isk, then people who do not have means to meet the new cost have to buy more plex. The pve in this game has to be the worst in any game ever conceived so grinding will likely put people off, or to ccps benefit will have player buy plex to save time while iskboxers and bots do the hard work of generating money.
Is CCP trying to make t2 ships a rarer sight? An attempt to make grinding content as the game grows stale? Is this a goon conspiracy? A needed change that helps the game? A bid to sell more plex to a decreasing player base? Did I just phrase some of these questions negatively on purpose?
The answer to one of these I know is yes. What are your opinions?
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:37:00 -
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Colten Tokila wrote:What are your opinions?
You need to remove your tinfoil "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:38:00 -
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Yes Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:51:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Colten Tokila wrote:What are your opinions? You need to remove your tinfoil
And fall prey to CCP's global satellite mind control pulse lasers. Never! Those things use Scorch, range and projection man, not something to play around with. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:57:00 -
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Let's start with clearing up what's actually whatGǪ
ISK Faucets:- NPC bounties: Exploration, Belt rats, Missions
- NPC buy orders: Trade goods, Sleeper loot, Overseer effects, Tags
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
ISK Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders: Blueprints, Skill books, Trade goods
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Science and industry taxes
- Wardecs
- Reimbursed player bounties.
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
The amount of ISK injected already outpaces the amounts removed by a factor of 2, so no, there is no need to grind to inject more ISK. Oh, and the ISK faucets have not really been GÇ£repeatedly nerfedGÇ¥ to any degree, even though they probably should. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:05:00 -
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Actually, Tippia, I have a question - how are:
Tippia wrote:ISK Sinks:
- Reimbursed player bounties.
an ISK Sink? If a player pays the bounties, and that player gets the bounty money back, then the ISK isn't sunk, it's back where it started.
Or am I missing part of the equation? MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:09:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Actually, Tippia, I have a question - how are: Tippia wrote:ISK Sinks:
- Reimbursed player bounties.
an ISK Sink? If a player pays the bounties, and that player gets the bounty money back, then the ISK isn't sunk, it's back where it started. Or am I missing part of the equation?
Nope. You caught Tippia in a bold-faced lie. You get one mulligan to call in on her later.
I think she meant Un-reimbursed bounties though, which just lock isk up indefinitely in cryo-storage and make me sad... Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:10:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Actually, Tippia, I have a question - how are: [Reimbursed player bounties] an ISK Sink? If a player pays the bounties, and that player gets the bounty money back, then the ISK isn't sunk, it's back where it started.
Or am I missing part of the equation? You only get back a part of the bounty. I don't remember the exact percentage off the top of my head. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Actually, Tippia, I have a question - how are: [Reimbursed player bounties] an ISK Sink? If a player pays the bounties, and that player gets the bounty money back, then the ISK isn't sunk, it's back where it started.
Or am I missing part of the equation? You only get back a part of the bounty. I don't remember the exact percentage off the top of my head.
Ok, that's what I was missing. Ta! MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:14:00 -
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Out in null sec we can build our ships cheaper.
Just as planned Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:21:00 -
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That's not saying much, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:22:00 -
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Sigh...
You do realize that prices will rise as people get used to the new system, but once they figure out how to use it to the best of there abilities and to there advantage you will see prices fall again right? In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:That's not saying much, though.
It means I can buy my megathrons locally and not have to wait for shipping Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:That's not saying much, though. It means I can buy my megathrons locally and not have to wait for shipping Exactly. You can now do what everyone else has been doing since time immemorial. The relative measure of GÇ£cheaperGÇ¥ becomes largely meaningless if you don't take into account what's it's relative to. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:That's not saying much, though. It means I can buy my megathrons locally and not have to wait for shipping Exactly. You can now do what everyone else has been doing since time immemorial. The relative measure of GÇ£cheaperGÇ¥ becomes largely meaningless if you don't take into account what's it's relative to.
See sig for the current CFC mentality.
That's right industrialists of high sec, we now love our industrial players living in null building our fleets and the best part is we can welp them faster than you can build em! Sign up with your local s¦¦l¦¦a¦¦v¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦d¦¦r¦¦i¦¦v¦¦e¦¦r¦¦s¦¦ upstanding recruitment officers and you too can be a foreman on the GSF Forgeworld.
Whats that? you already have a corp? Well waste no time and contact us for your very own system to mine to your hearts delight! Bring us ships, and flood high sec with your cheap imports. Its a new age, a golden age where the industrial player is rewarded for their hard work and risk taking. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:58:00 -
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I remove my tinfoil hat and in a blast of shining bright ultraviolet light I see the truth. Things shall be cheaper in null! A new era has dawned! ALL HAIL CCP! ALL HAIL CFC! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:00:00 -
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GǪand anyway, tinfoil just concentrates the rays and provides a bright shiny surface that improves the beam targeting accuracy. I mean, think about it: who actually produces tin foil. Hmm? Hmm? Hmm! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand anyway, tinfoil just concentrates the rays and provides a bright shiny surface that improves the beam targeting accuracy. I mean, think about it: who actually produces tin foil. Hmm? Hmm? Hmm! Are you even sure it is Tin? Could be Aluminum or even Aluminium! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:09:00 -
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People really need to stop smoking tinfoil.
I blame Dinsdale for this. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:16:00 -
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WAIT
Tin-Foil Goon- Swarm
They are both two syllables.
C-C-P C-F-C
They are both three syllables
The truth is out there ppl you just gotta look. As for the industry changes we have a goon guy telling us how great it will be for goon guys. Anything good for goons is good for noones(no one...s). I mean I started this thread asking questions, now I am in the CFC and love the changes. Run while you can. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:18:00 -
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Colten Tokila wrote:WAIT
Tin-Foil Goon- Swarm
They are both two syllables.
C-C-P C-F-C
They are both three syllables
The truth is out there ppl you just gotta look. You know the elation everyone felt when missile and engine trails were (re)introduced?
Yeah, those weren't missile and engine trails, exactlyGǪ <_< GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:See sig for the current CFC mentality. Structure grinding in subcaps... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:19:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:People really need to stop smoking tinfoil.
I blame Dinsdale for this.
But...without tinfoil those toilet paper roll steamrollers are much harder to make. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:See sig for the current CFC mentality. Structure grinding in subcaps...
The first 40 seconds of glorious socialist working heroes producing endless war materials for the greater peoples army on our new forgeworld.
And then we grind towers. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:23:00 -
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Welcome to a few weeks ago. Anyone who looked at the blueprints on the test server knew that tech 2 ship costs would be going up significantly. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:See sig for the current CFC mentality. Structure grinding in subcaps... The first 40 seconds of glorious socialist working heroes producing endless war materials for the greater peoples army on our new forgeworld. And then we grind towers. And how long ago was that TEST TCUshoot? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:26:00 -
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Colten Tokila wrote:WAIT
Tin-Foil Goon- Swarm
They are both two syllables.
C-C-P C-F-C
They are both three syllables
The truth is out there ppl you just gotta look. As for the industry changes we have a goon guy telling us how great it will be for goon guys. Anything good for goons is good for noones(no one...s). I mean I started this thread asking questions, now I am in the CFC and love the changes. Run while you can.
Well, if you assign numerical values to the letters of both acronyms:
C= 3 F= 6 P= 16
And then add the resulting numerical values together:
CCP = 3+3+16 = 22 CFC = 3+6+3 = 12
And then divide the CFC by the CCP:
12/22 = you get roughly 54%..
which is now the maximum amount you can reprocess things in Highsec for post-Crius!!!!!!
*please remember that 90% of statistics posted on a forum are false about 70% of the time.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12474
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: And how long ago was that TEST TCUshoot?
Not sure, at this point we just instinctively grind any structure we come across these days. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ko'Ahi
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:30:00 -
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Why don't you crius a river about it? koahisquad - please have fun and be cool, EVERYONE GET OUT
Pls follow me on twitter at http://twitter.com/koahico tom hanks )) |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:31:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I blame Dinsdale for this. CCP Dinsdale-I-Told-You-So will arrive, soonGäó Hopefully with sammiches TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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