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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:44:00 -
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TheBank Manager wrote:Pheusia wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Hakaari Uisen wrote:Equinox Ying wrote:There are always going to be people who moan about the price of PLEX, if the price is high then people buying PLEX to extend game time are going to cry. If the PLEX price goes down then people who buy PLEX, people who save PLEX and CCP in general are going to cry. The Price drops too low and people stop subbing their accounts with monehs and start using PLEX because it is more affordable, and CCP cry some more. Why would CCP care about in-game PLEX prices? They've already gotten their real life money for said PLEX from whoever purchased it to begin with. Because they care about PCU. More people online makes a healthier game. PLEX prices aren't a problem per se, but if they're going up mainly because people are hoarding them, using them to buy clothes, or training a secondary character on an account, CCP get the same revenue but (arguably) a less lively game. Yes indeed. CCP's customers are also EVE's content. It would be better for CCP to have an extra 10,000 people logging in even if that meant they weren't getting any more money, because the additional content those 10k people provide would attract, convert and retain still more customers. To bad some dont see the obviouse issues here... More players = more upkeep(costs) At one point ccp will spend more then gain if subs get to cheap.. There are limits to eve- one obviouse one is jita ;) another is having to wait 4 days to wait for help incase of acc issues! At this point people are just butthurt cuz plex prices are to damn high **insert memegif** http://cheezburger.com/6058880256
The marginal cost of an extra person logging in is pretty tiny. |
Marc Durant
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:45:00 -
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If you think plex prices are too high then don't buy them, if enough people share your opinion the price will drop.
Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1561
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:50:00 -
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Btw, has CCP released any recent data on PLEX bought (for cash) compared to PLEX consumed ('destroyed' for gametime or AUR) over the same, sufficiently long time period? EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:55:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:This is ridiculous In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year. Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap. For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy. Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.
What on earth makes you think the market isn't working?
Oh, I get it. The price of something is higher than you personally want to pay, so the market 'isn't working'. Gotcha. |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:57:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote: Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.
Yeah! As if price fixing has ever worked from ancient babylon to today.
https://mises.org/books/fortycenturies.pdf Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:40:00 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:This is ridiculous In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year. Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap. For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy. Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be. What on earth makes you think the market isn't working? Oh, I get it. The price of something is higher than you personally want to pay, so the market 'isn't working'. Gotcha.
I don't buy or plan to buy plexes since paying for my two accounts isn't an issue and probably won't be one in the forseeable future, but thanks for your concern anyway. :)
The market isn't working because CCP admitted they had to correct it several times. If it doesn't work from a business standpoint for the company then it's just not working at all, and that's the only reason they need to correct the market or just remove the free market part from the real money trading if that's the only way to make it working as intended again.
You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet. |
OldWolf69
Naga gave me Harpies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:44:00 -
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Lots of people will buy plex with real money, sell it on market, jews will pick them up, and relist. Ta-daaaaaaa! Just as simple. What'd so hard to understand? |
coolzero
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
100
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:coolzero wrote:imo a plex price should be the same as the monthly subscription fee for eve
but thats just my 2cents Why? What is your reasoning for that?
maby becuase you can pay 1 month gametime with it...(other things too i know but its mainly used for gametime i think)
and it makes plex cheaper so people will buy more of them and sel them for isk ingame = lower plex prices.
reasons may be (too) simple but thats how i think about it.. |
Victor Andall
644
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:48:00 -
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> Pick a system in lowsec in a high activity region.
> Put a buy order down for plex at an obscene amount, but make it station wide.
> Empty wallet by transferring isk to corp/alt
> Wait for the plex cargo pilgrims to start pouring to the land of instant profits.
> Greet them. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:58:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Lots of people will buy plex with real money, sell it on market, jews will pick them up, and relist. Ta-daaaaaaa! Just as simple. What'd so hard to understand?
Actually no the reality is a lot more complex so i'll try to make it clear since the issue hasn't been mentionned yet in this topic.
Excessively high plex prices aren't good for CCP for a simple reason: people selling plexes are often the ones with little time and a good disposable income. If you give them too much ISK for their real money they will buy less plexes even if they could purchase more. More expensive plexes also mean less people not paying every month for the game which means emptier servers and an empty universe isn't good for paying players because people play MMOs to have other people around (that doesn't mean they want to interact with them but that's another topic).
So high plex prices means that people get more in-game goods for their real money and don't need to buy more plexes. Since these people wouldn't play the game to get spaceships anyway, making them buy more plexes is easy to do, just give them less stuff for their cash. If you don't try to milk them too hard it will work, that doesn't mean they'll be happy to pay more but they will do it anyway. So the obvious way to sell more plexes isn't high in-game plex prices, it's actually lower in-game prices, because the vast majority of the plex buyers are a more or less captive audience and they will still need the same amount of ISK every month to meet their needs.
This is why there are sales and the eve central bank selling plex when the prices get higher too fast, because that's not good for their business, not because CCP is kind-hearted. They are trying to make prices go down but I'm not sure it's going to work without hard-coded changes. |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2697
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:59:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:They look under market control to me.
IBTL You didn't read OP, did you? It's ok, I wouldn't have read my post either.
Its reddit I didn't read. Reddit is a terrible place. Almost as bad as Jita. No one should go there. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:03:00 -
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This thread is still open? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:07:00 -
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coolzero wrote: and it makes plex cheaper so people will buy more of them and sel them for isk ingame = lower plex prices.
But less money for CCP
Im sure the price of PLEX is extremely carefully set "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
533
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:32:00 -
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"Ermagherd, PLEX is too expensive!"
No, plex price has remained constant. The price of isk has dropped.
Cartels force the price of ISK up using minerals. Until/if mineral prices drop we wont see any change in the cost of plex.
Also, secondarily, there is a LOT of isk being generated in Eve compared to a few years ago. Anoms are pretty much the most market breaking concept in game. ESS's make this worse and ruins the LP market ON TOP of the ISK market. |
Adunh Slavy
1548
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:55:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote: You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
ROFL go for it big man. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Lady Areola Fappington
2092
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:14:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
This is known as an Appeal to Accomplishment.
It is a logical fallacy.
Don't use it. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:15:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
This is known as an Appeal to Accomplishment. It is a logical fallacy. Don't use it.
I too took Analysis of Argument in college eve is dying |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:23:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote: You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
Watch out guys, we've got a badass over here. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:25:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:This thread is still open? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?
+10 for arcane Blazing Saddles reference. Well played. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Adunh Slavy
1548
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:25:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote: Excessively high plex prices aren't good for CCP for a simple reason: people selling plexes are often the ones with little time and a good disposable income. If you give them too much ISK for their real money they will buy less plexes even if they could purchase more.
So high plex prices means that people get more in-game goods for their real money and don't need to buy more plexes. Since these people wouldn't play the game to get spaceships anyway, making them buy more plexes is easy to do, just give them less stuff for their cash. If you don't try to milk them too hard it will work, that doesn't mean they'll be happy to pay more but they will do it anyway. So the obvious way to sell more plexes isn't high in-game plex prices, it's actually lower in-game prices, because the vast majority of the plex buyers are a more or less captive audience and they will still need the same amount of ISK every month to meet their needs.
Non-sense. First of all no one is giving anyone ISK, they are trading PLEX for ISK. Someone went out and gathered that ISK with their time and their effort, they are hardly giving it away. Secondly, who made you the arbiter of marginal utility? Do you have the magical formula to measure utils in the face of unlimited demand, and do it for each and every individual? Have you accomplished something that no one on this little planet has never been able to accomplish before?
According to your "logic", giving people less for their money, and money from disposable income for entertainment, hardly a necessity, induces them buy more? You have talked your self into reversing all observed economic behavior for the last 7000 years, so much for your history degree. You are freaking amazing. That high powered self proclaimed PhD of yours is very impressive, it allows you to conjure myths and make them reality.
Perhaps you should look at the long term graph, the one that shows more and more PLEX sold by CCP. All the while the ISK price of PLEX is going up while the in-game prices of common goods are steady or falling. Why have more people been buying PLEX in the face of getting more stuff for their money, professor blow-hard? According to you, this should never have happened!
The answer is actually quite simple: you are wrong.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1006
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:27:00 -
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Uh Oh, Someone said the P word. |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
89
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:29:00 -
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I'm hoping that it continues to go up. 2 billion ISK would be an awesome start! BTW, I don't buy or sell PLEX. I just find it amusing to see people complaining about purchasing game time with fake in game currency.
All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:29:00 -
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Hmmmmyes?
*Intensifies* "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:31:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote: You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
Stop arguing. Several reasons for doing so come to mind:
First, get ten economists from different schools in a room and see how long they take to reach consensus on anything. At least as many academics with brain pans at least as big as yours will disagree with you as agree with you.
Second, arguments about economics=doomed due to dogma. Hell, some people still believe that Trickle Down really happens somewhere other than after sex.
Third, because Internet. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5631
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:10:00 -
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Didn't read the thread so if I'm copying someone else, apologies.
Looking at the character bazaar, everyone is selling and no one is buying.
Character trading is a big chunk of PLEX movement in this game. Right now it's pretty stagnant. As all these alts don't sell and subs drop PLEX will follow the decline. No demand, no market and prices drop.
I say that as what it is now. It could completely change in a week or a month.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19703
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:19:00 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:Hell, some people still believe that Trickle Down really happens somewhere other than after sex. What is this sex you speak of?
I thought trickledown economics referred to the saliva running down your face after the rich spit on you.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:24:00 -
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Removed a racist post.
After further review of the thread, I am closing it for the following reasons:
Quote:26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thank you ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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