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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:28:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Salvaging is not nerfed. Loot reprocessing is 'nerfed' in that it gets less minerals. However...... Invention changes are coming that may give the looted modules value in their own right as modules rather than worthless. Also Module Tiericide is confirmed to be on CCP's long term plan as well.
This is kind of where it's at now.
Anything with a meta version can be made to T2 with 100% results in the Invention tree. If your skills are even at 4 you won't need Meta 4 to get it done, add a meta 3 to the invention, it will be enough, Hulls, rigs, anything that has no Meta tree versions are where it gets really hard to T2 stuff. If the Hull has a T2 BPO you don't even try. You can't compete.
As for the OP and his rant, it's misinformed. Nothing more to be said. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
775
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:32:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Wrecking Blow ...
+1 for UAE .
Remove insurance. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
118
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:36:00 -
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You didn't read the devblog did you?
never mind, here's a cookie for being adorable |
Exxter Evox
Tri-Star Enterprise
1
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:08:00 -
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I just tested the 70% and its not equal to the 72.4% which was mentioned pre release to compensate for looses. It actually is 70% of the 72.4% thus everyone refining with perfect skills from today onwards in high sec is loosing out on 2.4% minerals or 2.4% ice products.
Error CCP or intended would be nice to have it clarified.
Oh and I am not moved to move into low sec just for refining CCP since you havent taken into account the human factor. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12488
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:17:00 -
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Exxter Evox wrote:I just tested the 70% and its not equal to the 72.4% which was mentioned pre release to compensate for looses. It actually is 70% of the 72.4% thus everyone refining with perfect skills from today onwards in high sec is loosing out on 2.4% minerals or 2.4% ice products.
Error CCP or intended would be nice to have it clarified.
Oh and I am not moved to move into low sec just for refining CCP since you havent taken into account the human factor.
You need them implants and standings.
Just as planned. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3953
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:22:00 -
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Exxter Evox wrote:I just tested the 70% and its not equal to the 72.4% which was mentioned pre release to compensate for looses. It actually is 70% of the 72.4% thus everyone refining with perfect skills from today onwards in high sec is loosing out on 2.4% minerals or 2.4% ice products.
Error CCP or intended would be nice to have it clarified.
Oh and I am not moved to move into low sec just for refining CCP since you havent taken into account the human factor. That's the right figure when you don't have a 4% refining implant.
Links to my math: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4770202#post4770202 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4780736#post4780736 |
Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:42:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:"All minerals, ice products gained by reprocessing ores and ices have been increased by 38.1% to compensate for the reprocessing changes"
first friggin line on the patchnotes...
Go do your sums, high sec miners are being screwed over |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
90
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:54:00 -
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Seriously? You think it takes winning the lottery to afford $15 a month? I blow more than that in a week eating out and I'm no millionaire. I know people who spend more than that a month on 2 packs of cigarettes that last them a day. Who can't afford $15 a month? All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Gorinia Sanford
Big n Large
70
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:59:00 -
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you didn't read the patch notes prior to the patch release.
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Gorinia Sanford
Big n Large
70
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:02:00 -
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Zero Sum Gain wrote:Quote:
30% loss in refining yield OVERNIGHT!
My god, the night did that?! Damn you solar cycles!
I blame sunspots. |
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Gorinia Sanford
Big n Large
70
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:19:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:GreenSeed wrote:"All minerals, ice products gained by reprocessing ores and ices have been increased by 38.1% to compensate for the reprocessing changes"
first friggin line on the patchnotes... Go do your sums, high sec miners are being screwed over
Good thing we're moving to null in six days.
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Arec Bardwin
1471
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:46:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Wrecking Blow
Lyrics by Unsuccessful at Everything Produced by Unsuccessful ProductionsGäó Loosely based upon "Wrecking Ball" by Miley Cyrus
We'll whine, we'll cry our hearts out guys, Crius launched, now we question why, We failed to read the Dev Blogs threads, A whine, heard throughout all time.
Why don't CCP, SP refund me, They should always have to.. Highsec was my life, im angry and ill tell you why.. I will always blame you..
Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now ruined my game... Yeah, you, you ruined my game.
Now PLEX is so high, I question why CCP, why don't you control the price? Ill gnash my teeth, cry myself to sleep, Highsec, it used to be so nice.
Why wont CCP, SP refund me, They should always have to.. Highsec was my life, im angry now ill tell you why.. I will always blame you..
Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now you've ruined my game.
My entitlement now overflows.. Yeah, we deserved better than this.. Im left now with 10 accounts.. Im unsubbing now forthwith.. Yeah, CCP wrecked my game.
I never meant to cry so much I just ooze entitlement.. And instead of using words.. I guess I should unsub to win.. I never meant to cry so much I just wanted easy ISK.. Why cant you just let highsec win?
Don't you ever say I wont walk away.. Ill unsub and show you..
Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. nerfing industry was really low.. All I wanted was some easy ISK.. Now you've ruined my game.
Crius hit us like a wrecking blow.. Nerfing industry was really low.. We deserve our easy ISK.. CCP now ruined my game.. Yeah, CCP, you ruined my game.. Yeah, CCP, you ruined my game. Well done, sir! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12488
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Posted - 2014.07.24 00:03:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:GreenSeed wrote:"All minerals, ice products gained by reprocessing ores and ices have been increased by 38.1% to compensate for the reprocessing changes"
first friggin line on the patchnotes... Go do your sums, high sec miners are being screwed over
No they arn't, they simply dont get the best reward for their work. Just as planned. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
505
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Posted - 2014.07.24 00:57:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:Gedrick frogue wrote:GreenSeed wrote:"All minerals, ice products gained by reprocessing ores and ices have been increased by 38.1% to compensate for the reprocessing changes"
first friggin line on the patchnotes... Go do your sums, high sec miners are being screwed over Good thing we're moving to null in six days. That's what I like to hear. Follow the money dammit. |
Ironbuket
Violet Impulse
0
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Posted - 2014.07.24 06:30:00 -
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What was this talk about the yields being increased to balance out the increased loss from refining?
I didn't have max skills in everything, but I had enough to refine ore with 0% loss in a station. A like for like comparison of X amount of ore being refined before and after the patch in the same station with the same skills results in about a 20% drop in mineral yield for me I'm not talking about the % loss I'm talking about an actual drop in the number of minerals returned after refining
I'm also noticing weird changes in the mineral yields of the different qualities of ore. Low and middle grade ores are closer in yield than before? |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2014.07.24 07:26:00 -
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Ironbuket wrote:What was this talk about the yields being increased to balance out the increased loss from refining? I didn't have max skills in everything, but I had enough to refine ore with 0% loss in a station. A like for like comparison of X amount of ore being refined before and after the patch in the same station with the same skills results in about a 20% drop in mineral yield for me I'm not talking about the % loss I'm talking about an actual drop in the number of minerals returned after refining I'm also noticing weird changes in the mineral yields of the different qualities of ore. Low and middle grade ores are closer in yield than before?
Yes, it was decided, that you can have the equivalent of 100% before patch only with perfect skills AND the implant. (maybe we should reduce armor of all ships by 33% because of the slave set)
And someone in a outpost gets ~120% :) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4177
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Posted - 2014.07.24 07:44:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Wrecking Blow
Lyrics by Unsuccessful at Everything Produced by Unsuccessful ProductionsGäó Loosely based upon "Wrecking Ball" by Miley Cyrus
If this doesn't turn into an UAT appreciation thread, I will be very disappointed.
p.s petition CCP to have a 'Like X 10' button please. |
Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
1
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:08:00 -
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yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts on this so called industry upgrade |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6412
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:13:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts
How?!
HOW
Explain your loss
Please
And use maths "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts How?! HOW Explain your loss Please And use maths
Work it out for yourself or read some of the posts others have put up |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23297
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:50:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts How?! HOW Explain your loss Please And use maths Work it out for yourself or read some of the posts others have put up Translation: GÇ£oh crap, someone asked me to prove my statements and I can't! Evade! Evade! Evade!GÇ¥
So what you said was pure nonsense then. Goodie. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6421
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:50:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts How?! HOW Explain your loss Please And use maths Work it out for yourself or read some of the posts others have put up
Im not the one with the loss
Ive made net gains in fact
So unless you can actually tell me in what way you have lost, I call BS on your statement, thanks "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
996
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:57:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts on this so called industry upgrade If so then it's great news!
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Chequematte D'Courcey
Privateer Corporation '64
4
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:12:00 -
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I keep seeing post of how Hi-sec miners have been screwed with this patch. I find for my self a hi-sec miner for 11 months this patch to be great. I moved my reprossesing operation and manufacturing to my own station and my returns are at a all time high . I was afraid my small manufacturing business was in jeperdy but I have found I will thrive and make a mint in Hi-sec with this new set up . My advise get your own station and make your loot if you rely on the NCP stations to make ya loot good luck to you gonna be tough. build 1 caldari shuttle at NCP station 748 isk at my own station 212 ISK and I am grinding all my ore at 100% at my station to boot getting more minerals per load. I don't make many posts but figured I would weigh in here . |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
679
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:36:00 -
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Chequematte D'Courcey wrote:I keep seeing post of how Hi-sec miners have been screwed with this patch. I find for my self a hi-sec miner for 11 months this patch to be great. I moved my reprossesing operation and manufacturing to my own station and my returns are at a all time high . I was afraid my small manufacturing business was in jeperdy but I have found I will thrive and make a mint in Hi-sec with this new set up . My advise get your own station and make your loot if you rely on the NCP stations to make ya loot good luck to you gonna be tough. build 1 caldari shuttle at NCP station 748 isk at my own station 212 ISK and I am grinding all my ore at 100% at my station to boot getting more minerals per load. I don't make many posts but figured I would weigh in here .
Your station?? You mean you have your own POS or outpost?? Ive read that the only way to actually now get refining at 90% in Eve is to have a dedicated refining outpost. A small refining array in a POS gives 4% bonus, a Large one gives only 8%, so how you getting 100%??? Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Chequematte D'Courcey
Privateer Corporation '64
4
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:39:00 -
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Yes I have my own POS thats what I have been saving for since I started this game 11 months agao. Ok so maybe it aint 100% but a hell of a lot better than I ever had . I will restate Get your own POS its the best way if your like me small time miner/manufacturer.
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
679
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:46:00 -
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Chequematte D'Courcey wrote: Yes I have my own POS thats what I have been saving for since I started this game 11 months agao. Ok so maybe it aint 100% but a hell of a lot better than I ever had . I will restate Get your own POS its the best way if your like me small time miner/manufacturer.
4% bonus, isnt bad, but you lose a lot in fueling don't you? Unless you have large array in losec, thats still only 8%, and with the fuel costs being quite high, don't think its worth it to be honest :/
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23305
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:57:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Your station?? You mean you have your own POS or outpost?? Ive read that the only way to actually now get refining at 90% in Eve is to have a dedicated refining outpost. A small refining array in a POS gives 4% bonus, a Large one gives only 8%, so how you getting 100%??? 0.52 (facility efficiency) +ù 1.15 (refining) +ù 1.1 (refining efficiency) +ù 1.1 (ore processing) +ù 1.381 (mineral compensation factor) = 0.999263
Close enough to not make any appreciable difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
679
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Posted - 2014.07.24 22:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Your station?? You mean you have your own POS or outpost?? Ive read that the only way to actually now get refining at 90% in Eve is to have a dedicated refining outpost. A small refining array in a POS gives 4% bonus, a Large one gives only 8%, so how you getting 100%??? 0.52 (facility efficiency) +ù 1.15 (refining) +ù 1.1 (refining efficiency) +ù 1.1 (ore processing) +ù 1.381 (mineral compensation factor) = 0.999263 Close enough to not make any appreciable difference.
Is that for a refining outpost or pos? If for pos, does that mean a refining outpost gives 120% yield??? (Maths is not my strong point ) Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1058
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Posted - 2014.07.24 22:27:00 -
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Gedrick frogue wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Gedrick frogue wrote:yup high sec miners get kicked in the nuts How?! HOW Explain your loss Please And use maths Work it out for yourself or read some of the posts others have put up "Doing the exact same thing as I did before" |
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