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Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:39:00 -
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I would say I am a casual player, been playing off and on since 2005, and I have been around the Eve block a few times by now. Member of a big coalition and very devoted to fleet fighting-I enjoy all that 200 people in comms, TiDi, tons of bracets, being part of a team. As a casual player I make my isk by either bounties in null (ratting anoms) or buying the occasional PLEX and I pay a monthly sub for my main and alt accounts. As you know, IGÇÖm sure, everyone is encouraged to move up to capitals as that is fleet end game, wellGǪ one of the fleet end games but the most important to alliances and coalitions. As I am at that point now in skill training, after having flushed out pretty much all the sub cap skills, I have been doing the isk math on a dread. Below is what I have come up with.
Coalition Dread-fitted and ready for fleet: 4 billionGǪI think this is accurate.
Now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities. With anoms I GÇ£realisticallyGÇ¥ pull down about 16 million a tick. Sometimes I can hit 20 but that is rare with GÇÿceptor gangs roaming the pipe and that sort of thing.
So, 4 bil/16mil per tick is 250 ticks. 250 ticks * 20 minutes per tick is 5000 minutes. 5000m/60 minutes per hour is 83.3 hours. At 6 hours per week farming is 13.8 weeks of my life to afford a fleet fit Dread.
Now that is just for the dread. Not including sub cap ships, insurance, clones, implants, ammoGǪyou see where this is going? I like to play Eve not play Farmville Eve. So, that means PLEX. Oh and letGÇÖs not forget when the dread gets blown into space dust by a DD or hot drop o'clocked I get SRP but it wonGÇÖt cover stuff like insurance or implants so I will have to come up with a chunk of isk for that as well.
Now a PLEX currently pulls about 800 mil if I am not mistaken. So, for 4 bil I would need 5 PLEX at $20 a PLEX. On top of my monthly subs I also have to dish out $100 large to ride a party barge in the cap fleet and that is just the initial purchase on the dread alone.
SCREW THAT. nüè At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3135
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:43:00 -
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This is such isd bait "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
392
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:45:00 -
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If u are not. Asking north of 100m a hour casual ur doing it wrong. Still that's 40 hours to fly ur dread. But 100m a hour is very low income. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
3439
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:49:00 -
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20mill per tick?
THAT'S HILARIOUS! XD http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Sniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Christopher AET
D00M. Northern Coalition.
733
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:50:00 -
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Yeah...So don't get one then. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:53:00 -
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Before this gets locked for ranting, I'll chip in by saying; you could do a mixture of grinding and plex, grind for 125 ticks instead of 250 and grab 3 plex. Secondly plex are on sale right now: 2 for $31.49, so that maks it easier. Thirdly you could grab 6 plex for $94.47 then chuck the last plex on the market at say 900mil - will take a month or two to be snapped up - but then you'll have a start on the next project or you will have enough to cover any loss of your original dread - thus you are getting two dreads for $100.00
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
43087
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:55:00 -
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So I thought this was how the average CFC player looked after you decided to rent out space. Now if these alleged trillions of income don't find their way into your mouth or your superiors don't see any importance in building or maintining a sizeable cap fleet, may I politely suggest that you discuss this problem in private with your corp or alliance on your own forums? I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6247
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:56:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:then chuck the last plex on the market at say 900mil - will take a month or two to be snapped up
You heard it here, 900mil plex in a month or so ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
742
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:11:00 -
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I don't... I can't.. what? Even raiding a single c2 I can net a min of 150m isk an hour, if I get nano ribbons. I can do 300m isk an hour in a c3 with nanoribbons. I used to pull in a lot more then 20m isk doing anoms in null, but that was in the day. Isnt the sanctum worth like 40m? Its been a while, but you seriously are doing it wrong. I could prolly make more mining then you could ratting. Hell mining a single gas cloud in wh will net me more... In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2392
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:14:00 -
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People PvP in their own drakes? "Hey guys, we are going to war, everyone brings his own Dread, giddyup folks." When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8080
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:14:00 -
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8 replies and no one has asked for his stuff yet?
For shame, GD.
Oh, and can I have your stuff, OP? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Marsha Mallow
1334
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:14:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right? Before (ed, after) you get bankhanded hard, I really can see your point, having spoken to some awesome people through the years who are simply priced out of various types of gameplay and irritatated by being forced to grind to pvp. Which is really annoying, because a lot of the people who protest are genuinely good PVPers with no head for passive ISK making. It's not fair to measure those who can play 20 hours a day against people with jobs and families, but it happens. It's almost become a badge of honour to announce how much ISK you can make ph grinding just to keep up with the bratpack. If you know the ticks p/h to a precise degree in the first place - you're probably doing it wrong too (peasants).
Decent corps (esp in null) should maintain a cap handout pool for members. You might need to earn your way into to 'trusted status' and await handout, but it allows a variety of fits, and they can control insurance etc. There are support roles for people who don't have the time to grind the ISK into expensive ships. Learn to use a Dic/Hic, and fly a Logi if you are poor (those usually fall under full SRP). Tbh a lot of people are priced out of cap ship warfare for a while, it's not uncommon.
Long term, either talk to your corp about maintaining a shared cap cache, or find a better corp. Consider passive ISK making via the market so your wallet isn't a continual gind. Gl ;) TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2214
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:16:00 -
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Nice story, but I can't help but feel that of all the parts of the title, the end bit is the most relevant. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:22:00 -
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It is like creating forum content.
Stop whoring on my forum killmail! |
Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:23:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Xeris 7 wrote:At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right? Before (ed, after) you get backhanded hard, I really can see your point, having spoken to some awesome people through the years who are simply priced out of various types of gameplay and irritatated by being forced to grind to pvp. Which is really annoying, because a lot of the people who protest are genuinely good PVPers with no head for passive ISK making. It's not fair to measure those who can play 20 hours a day against people with jobs and families, but it happens. It's almost become a badge of honour to announce how much ISK you can make ph grinding just to keep up with the bratpack. If you know the ticks p/h to a precise degree in the first place - you're probably doing it wrong too (peasants). Decent corps (esp in null) should maintain a cap handout pool for members. You might need to earn your way into to 'trusted status' and await handout, but it allows a variety of fits, and they can control insurance etc. There are support roles for people who don't have the time to grind the ISK into expensive ships. Learn to use a Dic/Hic, and fly a Logi if you are poor (those usually fall under full SRP). Tbh a lot of people are priced out of cap ship warfare for a while, it's not uncommon. Long term, either talk to your corp about maintaining a shared cap cache, or find a better corp. Consider passive ISK making via the market so your wallet isn't a continual gind. Gl ;)
Thank you for being a constructive member of the community. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15603
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:27:00 -
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Are you really doing a [stuff] costs too much thread today? Really? Sigh.
Look buddy, I don't know if you got the memo or not, but today is reserved for "Y U NERF MAI HIGHSEC?!?!?!" or "GIMME REFUND BECASUE CRIUS WAAAAAHHHH!!!" threads. Even "I DIDNT READ DEV BLOG NOW IM SURPRIZED BECASUE X HAPPENED, ROLOLBACKPLZ KTHXBAI #UNSUB" might be acceptable today.
Get with the program. I don't have time to wade through stuff like this to determine what youre really after. No one wants to hear about where someone touched your terribad fit dread and refused to SRP it, or that your unhappy with your alliance because [reasons]. Now start whining about Crius, and ill get back to you. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Marsha Mallow
1336
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:34:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Now start whining about Crius, and ill get back to you. Return to where you belong and write another CCPNakedMan installment. Immediately! TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
586
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:47:00 -
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Capital gameplay is for the birds. Let the people who think internet spaceships are serious business worry about plexing and grinding them. In the meantime, fit out a cloaky tackler of your choice and spend your free time hunting down said capitals and lighting a cyno for your own coalition, savoring each killmail all the more now that you have priced out what each capital you help gank costs.
I personally would consider this more endgame material than piloting a capital in a coalition. It's more about metagaming targets and their habits and less about waiting offline for a ping and fleeting up to press F1. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:48:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Are you really doing a [stuff] costs too much thread today? Really? Sigh.
Look buddy, I don't know if you got the memo or not, but today is reserved for "Y U NERF MAI HIGHSEC?!?!?!" or "GIMME REFUND BECASUE CRIUS WAAAAAHHHH!!!" threads. Even "I DIDNT READ DEV BLOG NOW IM SURPRIZED BECASUE X HAPPENED, ROLOLBACKPLZ KTHXBAI #UNSUB" might be acceptable today.
Get with the program. I don't have time to wade through stuff like this to determine what youre really after. No one wants to hear about where someone touched your terribad fit dread and refused to SRP it, or that your unhappy with your alliance because [reasons]. Now start whining about Crius, and ill get back to you.
Ranting about my rant...LULZ. Got to love Eve. |
Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:52:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:Capital gameplay is for the birds. Let the people who think internet spaceships are serious business worry about plexing and grinding them. In the meantime, fit out a cloaky tackler of your choice and spend your free time hunting down said capitals and lighting a cyno for your own coalition, savoring each killmail all the more now that you have priced out what each capital you help gank costs.
I personally would consider this more endgame material than piloting a capital in a coalition. It's more about metagaming targets and their habits and less about waiting offline for a ping and fleeting up to press F1.
I know this happens but I had not thought of doing it as I really don't know much about the metagame. Thx for the suggestion...sounds interesting and you make a good point. |
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Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
590
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:03:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote: I know this happens but I had not thought of doing it as I really don't know much about the metagame. Thx for the suggestion...sounds interesting and you make a good point.
Anything I can do to wring a few more tears out of the HTFU crowd.
Keep in mind it'll be just as much of an investment in time, but that time will be spent doing something interesting, and not plexing or grinding. Any passive income you have should be plenty to cover costs and once you get the hang of it you'll be surprised how many corpmates appreciate your hard work.
An F1 monkey is just an F1 money though, no matter what he flies. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1117
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:07:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:
So, 4 bil/16mil per tick is 250 ticks. 250 ticks * 20 minutes per tick is 5000 minutes. 5000m/60 minutes per hour is 83.3 hours. At 6 hours per week farming is 13.8 weeks of my life to afford a fleet fit Dread. the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?
In pblrd you'd be subject to endless derision for being a raven pilot.
Bounty Prizes27,161,212.50 ISK5,868,294,001.53 ISK[r] Tauranon got bounty prizes for killing pirates in
Dominix in forsaken hubs, no faction npc - that has 3 nerfs over its best performances (nerf to dda II + garde II dps, nerf to omnis, and nerf to bounties from ess). Prior to all that, the best I shot was 29m, but that's gone off my journal.
You should be able to turn over 25s in sanctums, forsaken hubs, havens and regular hubs, since I believe FCON holds the same type of space I do, and as a line member they ought to let you use a better system than I do (mine is 0.17, the worst band for anomalies). The Ishtar will get ~20m semi afk. |
Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:19:00 -
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20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system. And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10775
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:25:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:People PvP in their own dreads? "Hey guys, we are going to war, everyone brings his own dread, giddyup folks." I'm glad I own my own dread, because poking whatever director happens to be on at the time to loan me a corp dread doesn't exactly lend itself to quick response. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10776
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:27:00 -
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Alt Two wrote:20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system. And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes. Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1277
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:40:00 -
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I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6255
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:45:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.
That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it.
Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1277
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.
That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it. Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff Of course if everyone started their name with M, then the people who had "Ma---" would be the one dying. I mean of course someone in the dread blob will die... well, of course You are right when it comes to egagements between large forces. A bulk value for the Performance would be taken into account i guess. Nonetheless I suspect the netto performance of a Dread in large fleet fights in 0.0 still higher than in Dread fights that happen in low sec. In low-sec they just live longer. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6258
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:09:00 -
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No, dreads get worse and worse in larger fights because of module lock.
Well, in nullsec. In lowsec you don't have doomsdays which are a lot less liable to that issue. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1000
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alt Two wrote:20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system. And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes. Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still.
Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning. |
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