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Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:20:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:I would say I am a casual player ... now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities. I don't have those responsibilities and I spend a lot more time playing Eve than you. Just as you feel frustrated that it's hard to keep up when you're only playing casual hours I'd feel similarly disappointed if casuals could advance in the game as quickly as someone like me who puts in a lot more time.
I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship. EVE Down Under 2014 (Australia's very own fanfest) 21st to 23rd November 2014 in Sydney, Australia www.evedownunder.com |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
33
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:42:00 -
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Waaaaaaa... I can't fly this very expensive ship, cause I don't want to put in the time or effort... WAAAAAAAAAA.... *sniff*
That is basically what I've gotten out of this post so far. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6259
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Posted - 2014.07.23 07:46:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:An F1 monkey is just an F1 money though, no matter what he flies. Never not elite pvp in blobs. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6351
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Posted - 2014.07.23 08:22:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote: Now a PLEX currently pulls about 800 mil if I am not mistaken. So, for 4 bil I would need 5 PLEX at $20 a PLEX. On top of my monthly subs I also have to dish out $100 large to ride a party barge in the cap fleet and that is just the initial purchase on the dread alone.
So... ISK being the cheapest its ever been is a problem for you? ok
Also...
Xeris 7 wrote:As you know, IGÇÖm sure, everyone is encouraged to move up to capitals as that is fleet end game
Lolno "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
540
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Posted - 2014.07.23 08:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.
That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it. Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff Of course if everyone started their name with M, then the people who had "Ma---" would be the one dying. I mean of course someone in the dread blob will die...
You would think. After all, I am always the first man to complain about alphabet-primaries (Incidentally, thanks for being part of my tank Alavaria ). Oddly though, I couldn't lose my Rev during the Halloween War before the insurance ran out (and I really did try - I fell asleep for a few of the later hours of B-R with it sitting in space bubbled to hell, woke up four hours later to the fight still going on, and me now being in a unbubbled space, so jumped out safely!)
To the OP - Honestly, I would speak to someone in the know in your corp or alliance. You can get a Dread for far less than 4 bil (have you checked the forumns, Dreads are going for sale regularly in the 2.8 mark), and if you are paying for your own fuel and ammo, you are definitely doing it wrong. And if you aren't making a profit on SRP and Insurance on a Dread, something is REALLY wrong. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
668
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:16:00 -
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Pretty sure the OP would have more time overall buying PLEX for the few hours he plays instead of grinding what he needs, atleast from the sounds of it. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:36:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?
Rant? No, this is a childish whine....
Wahh wahhhh, I got a family and responsibilities....wahhh wahhh. Please change the game to suit MY needs....wahhhhh wahhh.
I mean, I'm not a REAL gamer, but wahhhhhh wahhhh....
Go play Tetris... or checkers...
Bam Stroker wrote:I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship. But you need to understand. It's all about HIM and HIS needs... I mean what else could be more important here...He's an entitled whiner....I mean if he really wants others to pay for his needs, he could get his kids out gathering beer bottles to turn in for cash... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:42:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Xeris 7 wrote:At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?
Rant? No, this is a childish whine.... Wahh wahhhh, I got a family and responsibilities....wahhh wahhh. Please change the game to suit MY needs....wahhhhh wahhh. I mean, I'm not a REAL gamer, but wahhhhhh wahhhh.... Go play Tetris... or checkers...
Or GASP raise your kid and spend time with him/her/them/it "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3856
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:46:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:I would say I am a casual player... (truncated) Well first I'd say that you don't need to get a dread. Capital warfare isn't for everyone, and subcaps with skilled pilots will always be needed. That said, if you did want to get a dread, you wouldn't do so just by grinding isk in 16m ticks. You'd get into a coalition capable of providing capital SRP and learn to make isk at better rates. You may also get into trading and realise how easily you can flip your isk for profit with very little playtime. Once you have your dread, it would be covered by SRP, so if you lost it you'd just get another anyway, but that said, you'd be making the kind of isk you need to roll around in spare dreads.
By the way, plex price is on the rise, so the "real world cost" of capitals is going down. Imagine what it was like when plex were like 200m. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:46:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alt Two wrote:20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system. And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes. Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still. Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning.
Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason. |
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Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1368
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:11:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:
Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason.
Apparently they wanted to force people away from asteroid belts
I guess until the trillioniares leave the game, we all look too rich =ƒÖç *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6355
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:14:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alt Two wrote:20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system. And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes. Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still. Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning. Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason.
The Gewn forum police are lettin far far too many poor poasters in these days.
Compared to their good ones, this is just... well... sad..
2/10 must try harder "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
306
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:41:00 -
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How was it, the sentence... you know, when i was starting to play... always the same... Ah yes ! : don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
And by the way, it's not logical : if the endgame is to fly capitals, as everyone is getting more SP, everyone will end by being able to fly a capital. The problem then is that you need other types of ships too in a fleet. You could set yourself some exciting goals which are compatible with your playtime. Be a bit imaginative. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6358
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:49:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote: endgame
File Not Found "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
441
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Posted - 2014.07.23 14:40:00 -
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Site issue cleared my reply - editing Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2424
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:20:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:How was it, the sentence... you know, when i was starting to play... always the same... Ah yes ! : don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
And by the way, it's not logical : if the endgame is to fly capitals, as everyone is getting more SP, everyone will end by being able to fly a capital. The problem then is that you need other types of ships too in a fleet. You could set yourself some exciting goals which are compatible with your playtime. Be a bit imaginative.
funny, my "endgame" (not that there is one in Eve, mind you) is to fly logistics (Guardians, not being a space trucker), and to be a dictor pilot.
Seeing as I'm terrible and have no money to afford to live in low/null (much less, the time required, because RL hates me) ... the dictor thing is out, but I can still be a logibro. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes
1203
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:26:00 -
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Bro that's not elitist EvE I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2624
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:28:00 -
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As a former NSBG member I have to protest this entire thread. Does Thor know what you're doing here OP? MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
3580
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:36:00 -
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If the endgame is to fly capitals, then you certainly have a very average mindset. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Sniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
577
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:13:00 -
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I must missed the line where he cried plex prices were too high... "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
393
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:27:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Xeris 7 wrote:I would say I am a casual player... (truncated) Well first I'd say that you don't need to get a dread. Capital warfare isn't for everyone, and subcaps with skilled pilots will always be needed.
We're the CFC, we don't need skilled pilots, just enough willing bodies to throw at our enemies under the guidance of Dear Leader, as the spear tip of his hegemonic machinations. It's worked so far.
Also, I'm frankly embarrassed for my buddies in FCON. |
Adunh Slavy
1548
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:04:00 -
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You can choose to not do all of that too ya know. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Sara Sturnels
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:26:00 -
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Xeris 7 wrote:I would say I am a casual player, been playing off and on since 2005, and I have been around the Eve block a few times by now. Member of a big coalition and very devoted to fleet fighting-I enjoy all that 200 people in comms, TiDi, tons of bracets, being part of a team. As a casual player I make my isk by either bounties in null (ratting anoms) or buying the occasional PLEX and I pay a monthly sub for my main and alt accounts. As you know, IGÇÖm sure, everyone is encouraged to move up to capitals as that is fleet end game, wellGǪ one of the fleet end games but the most important to alliances and coalitions. As I am at that point now in skill training, after having flushed out pretty much all the sub cap skills, I have been doing the isk math on a dread. Below is what I have come up with. Coalition Dread-fitted and ready for fleet: 4 billionGǪI think this is accurate. Now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities. With anoms I GÇ£realisticallyGÇ¥ pull down about 16 million a tick. Sometimes I can hit 20 but that is rare with GÇÿceptor gangs roaming the pipe and that sort of thing. So, 4 bil/16mil per tick is 250 ticks. 250 ticks * 20 minutes per tick is 5000 minutes. 5000m/60 minutes per hour is 83.3 hours. At 6 hours per week farming is 13.8 weeks of my life to afford a fleet fit Dread. Now that is just for the dread. Not including sub cap ships, insurance, clones, implants, ammoGǪyou see where this is going? I like to play Eve not play Farmville Eve. So, that means PLEX. Oh and letGÇÖs not forget when the dread gets blown into space dust by a DD or hot drop o'clocked I get SRP but it wonGÇÖt cover stuff like insurance or implants so I will have to come up with a chunk of isk for that as well. Now a PLEX currently pulls about 800 mil if I am not mistaken. So, for 4 bil I would need 5 PLEX at $20 a PLEX. On top of my monthly subs I also have to dish out $100 large to ride a party barge in the cap fleet and that is just the initial purchase on the dread alone. SCREW THAT. nüè At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and IGÇÖm sure it wonGÇÖt be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?
If you're anom ratting, you're doing it wrong. The only way to effectively rat and make good isk is doing cosmic signatures.
That is, until CCP nerfed the drop rate and escalation rate over the past week.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2339
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:04:00 -
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Bam Stroker wrote:Xeris 7 wrote:I would say I am a casual player ... now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities. I don't have those responsibilities and I spend a lot more time playing Eve than you. Just as you feel frustrated that it's hard to keep up when you're only playing casual hours I'd feel similarly disappointed if casuals could advance in the game as quickly as someone like me who puts in a lot more time.
I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship.
But they can , they just don't use the right way to do so.I have never read a thread of a trader complaining about not getting his isk/hour high enough to afford a plex.I have read hundreds if not thousands of miners/ratters making their complaintthread about it though.
In regards to OP , even if you do play casual your losses over the last half year are around 1 B.Most of wich is in fleets so let's say you lost 500 M in the last 6 months , where did the other isk go you made in that time ?If it is only going towards plex then stop plexing your account for starters.Plexing accounts SHOULD be for people who make more isk then they need a month otherwise the game becomes a grind.Either use the isk you make more carefully or change the way you get your isk.
And last but not least no one can force you to fly a capital.I also have been in FCON for 6 months and contributed in my own way by joining every fleet i could in the halloweenwar.I paid most of my ship losses including battleships out of my own pocket and not SRP and was one of the top contributors of my corp every month in those 6 months in regards to pvp .However when they started requesting for capitals - specifically the moros- i did not train mine because i do not enjoy capitalsonline at all.Even if you are a part of a major bloc it does not mean they can have full say on what you should or should not train for.They can however ask you to participate more in fleets , even if that means joining harpy fleets for example.
That is unless you enjoy spending your free time to behave like a robot/slave who follows every order he get's from the upper hand. I don't .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3281
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:23:00 -
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It has rant right in the title. I must be slacking.
Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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