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Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:20:00 -
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New suggestion to dev team. Modify the Training Queue so that it flashes constantly RED when a characters Skill Points are not supported by a clone with sufficient capacity. Losing skill points because you've been podded in a clone which couldn't support your skillpoints in wrong, specially when you get warnings from the game for a dozen other mundane and pointless things, protection of Skill Points should be a MAJOR PRIORITY. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1024
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:27:00 -
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What did you lose? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8081
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:28:00 -
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Lol. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
585
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:28:00 -
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Meh.
Just out of curiosity how much did you lose?
I mean it's kind of hard for me to sympathize since I don't lose that many med clones, and when I do my first reaction is to buy a new one before I even check my own losses... I thought spending those few seconds zoomed in on your broken capsule had that effect on everybody. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
10
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:35:00 -
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I lost 1.3m sp between 2 characters that I thought were up to date in there clones. turns out they weren't. Point isn't that I lost them or overlooked the clones, point is that AFTER overlooking them, they stayed overlooked because something so important doesn't have any warnings associated with it that are easily noticed.. |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
10
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:39:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:Meh.
Just out of curiosity how much did you lose?
I mean it's kind of hard for me to sympathize since I don't lose that many med clones, and when I do my first reaction is to buy a new one before I even check my own losses... I thought spending those few seconds zoomed in on your broken capsule had that effect on everybody.
So i'm guessing you live alone or have beaten the kids hard enough that they never go in and look at your game, so there's no way you'd ever lose a clone without knowing.. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1024
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:44:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:Bohneik Itohn wrote:Meh.
Just out of curiosity how much did you lose?
I mean it's kind of hard for me to sympathize since I don't lose that many med clones, and when I do my first reaction is to buy a new one before I even check my own losses... I thought spending those few seconds zoomed in on your broken capsule had that effect on everybody. So i'm guessing you live alone or have beaten the kids hard enough that they never go in and look at your game, so there's no way you'd ever lose a clone without knowing.. Probably time to change the password then. |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:48:00 -
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Why do people assume at all times that if they do it, everyone that doesn't is a moron? Look if you want to troll something so you can big note your self fine, but do it somewhere else, this maybe a post that seems lame to you but it does affect people and is warranted.. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1545
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:52:00 -
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OP, though it would definitely be more fun to just troll you, I have to admit that something like an auto-update prompt as soon as you wake up in your alpha clone would be a sensible addition.
OTOH, the occasional tears are fun too... I'd be torn on this one if I were CCP. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8082
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:54:00 -
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Oh, please. If you have kids and you don't have a keyboard lock command macroed in, you get what you get. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Satyr Ersatz
New Eden Security Services New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:58:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote: New suggestion to dev team. Modify the Training Queue so that it flashes constantly RED when a characters Skill Points are not supported by a clone with sufficient capacity. I've never lost SP, but I can imagine the frustration. I can't think of a good reason to oppose this change. +1. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1025
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:04:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:Why do people assume at all times that if they do it, everyone that doesn't is a moron? Look if you want to troll something so you can big note your self fine, but do it somewhere else, this maybe a post that seems lame to you but it does affect people and is warranted.. I've lost ninny carrier V to this so I do feel like my opinion is perfectly valid to your standards. |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, please. If you have kids and you don't have a keyboard lock command macroed in, you get what you get.
I have a simply question for you. Why be a **** and oppose something that helps people when it does nothing what so ever against you?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8082
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:23:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, please. If you have kids and you don't have a keyboard lock command macroed in, you get what you get. I have a simply question for you. Why be a **** and oppose something that helps people when it does nothing what so ever against you?
I have one for you.
Why ask to have game mechanics changed to cover your simple mistake? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:28:00 -
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Because simple mistakes happen to everyone, where does it say that if your a **** in game you have to be one here in the forums?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8084
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:29:00 -
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Keep up the personal attacks by all means, that will just result in this getting locked faster.
So like I said, you made a mistake. Not a flaw in the game, a flaw in the way you played the game. Just correct yourself and move on, that's how EVE works. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
556
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:35:00 -
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EVEMon already nags you incessantly if the clone for one of your toons is out of date. And honestly, who doesn't use EVEMon already anyway? If you aren't for some reason, start. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
234
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:36:00 -
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Sharing your account is banable ... even 'accidentally' with the kids Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:46:00 -
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Please put your hands up and be counted if you consider skill points to be worth protecting.... Also please state if you don't think skill points to be worth protecting... It's a really simple thing isn't it, not are you a smart mouth troll.. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1025
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:49:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Sharing your account is banable ... even 'accidentally' with the kids Technically you are allowed to if you are the guardian of the child. I can't remember the specifics of it off hand. |
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Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
590
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:59:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote: So i'm guessing you live alone or have beaten the kids hard enough that they never go in and look at your game, so there's no way you'd ever lose a clone without knowing..
Well damn... From SP loss and internet spaceships to violent child abuse... That got dark quick... Thanks OP.
No. I don't have to worry about the kids playing on my PC for other, non-horrifying reasons. If I did, I just wouldn't leave my account logged in or set up a macro as suggested. Having a cat that likes to flop and roll all over my keyboard when I'm out of the room was enough to make me set up a macro a couple years ago.
Honest mistake that could have easily been prevented. That's what we all learn from right? It's a shame this mistake came with such a sharp lesson though. But it's not the end of the world and doesn't require changing game mechanics.
Try to remember that some players willingly accept the risk and penalty of SP loss just to fly their shiny T3's. It's nothing serious. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:08:00 -
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there are warnings to protect your ships from flying into low sec, there are warnings to let you know if your sec rating is too low in what ever area, there are warnings all over eve to protect assets and stuff, so what's wrong with having a warning system in place for what can only be considered as THE most important resource in the game, and might I add also the only resource that can not be replaced in any way from outside of the game.. |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
11
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:13:00 -
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What's more important, having warnings in place to protect you from Accidentally losing your shiny ship, or having something in place to protect your ability to FLY your shiny ship |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
591
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:32:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:What's more important, having warnings in place to protect you from Accidentally losing your shiny ship, or having something in place to protect your ability to FLY your shiny ship
I'd say both are unnecessary, and there is no reason to add more of an unnecessary thing.
But here's the crux. Your situation is unusual, and is the exception to the rule. Typically for someone to lose SP they don't have to accidentally mis-click one time like you would just to jump into the wrong system. For someone to repeat this scenario without outside interference they would have to leave whatever safe situation they were afking in, lose a pod, or both a ship and pod, and then deliberately not upgrade their clone. That is a chain of events which require player knowledge of what is happening, not a mis-click or a bad route in the autopilot settings.
Suck it up and chalk this one up to bad luck. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5754
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:33:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:What's more important, having warnings in place to protect you from Accidentally losing your shiny ship, or having something in place to protect your ability to FLY your shiny ship Neither. You should plan accordingly and/or accept that sometimes stuff beyond your control happens. A warning will not solve a lapse in judgement, forgetfulness, or kids fiddling with your computer.
For me personally... I have lost battleship 5 once because I forgot to update my clone. I shrugged it off, trained for 15 days to get it back, and never forgot to update my clone after that. As intended by the system.
Oh... and I "lock" my computer before stepping away from it when kids are around (my cousins are too curious for their own good). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
76
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:40:00 -
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Or you can overspend on clones so you don't cut it so close next time. Buy the one above the one you think you need. Then plan to die before you go over clone max. Is that my two cents or yours? |
Death Ryder
Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx
12
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:04:00 -
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Its kind of amazing, if I was trying to get the developers to make it so you could light you bum on fire and stick it out a airlock in jita, you lot would be all in favour of it and probably telling the everyone I should be a world leader, but I pipe up and try and do something that makes sense and helps to protect the most important asset in the game, all you can do is tell me I'm crazy and should suck it up and stop whining and let everyone else do the same.. So you lost level 5 in something, and you sucked it up and you retrained your skill, OK so tell me you didn't feel sick to the pit of your stomach when you did lose it, now tell me you didn't ask your self why there's no safety to protect your skills...
OH goody, now tell us all honestly that you didn't...
So what's the point in objecting to something that will prevent that overwhelming feeling of disgust to other people? What's wrong with doing something simple that helps other people. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:21:00 -
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Devs have already said in the clone cost discussions that they don't feel the SP clone is the best isk sink related to clones anyway. It's just a question of them settling on a 99% acceptable replacement system for it as it stands and having the time to implement that. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5754
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:31:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:So you lost level 5 in something, and you sucked it up and you retrained your skill, OK so tell me you didn't feel sick to the pit of your stomach when you did lose it, Oh... I did. But I consider that as a part of the game.
In my eyes, it is no different from losing a billion ISK ship due to drunken/idiotic zeal (of which I am sometimes guilty of). Feeling bad because you did or had something stupid happen is a part of what makes EVE, EVE. It is what makes you truly VALUE what you have and play smarter.
Death Ryder wrote:now tell me you didn't ask your self why there's no safety to protect your skills... That is because there already is one. It's called a clone. You just forgot to update it.
Death Ryder wrote:So what's the point in objecting to something that will prevent that overwhelming feeling of disgust to other people? What's wrong with doing something simple that helps other people. *lights a match* Because only the people who can avoid the fire are worthy enough to fight me. *drops match in petrol soaked ground* *cackles* Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.23 03:08:00 -
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Death Ryder wrote:I lost 1.3m sp between 2 characters that I thought were up to date in there clones. turns out they weren't. Point isn't that I lost them or overlooked the clones, point is that AFTER overlooking them, they stayed overlooked because something so important doesn't have any warnings associated with it that are easily noticed..
1.3m sp between 2 toons. Kickass dude. You're definitely winning at being a lazy player. |
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