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Breytli Woelin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:36:00 -
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I assumed the changes CCP discussed in the dev blogs and forums would be beneficial. I have yet to see how this is the case. Non-elite corps who focused on research and manufacturing appear to have been given their pink slips by CCP, as the changes make it much harder to use the benefits of a POS unless you're a big time research/manufacturing corp. Add to that the increased inconvenience of using a POS unless you're a big corp. The added "system tax" fees and the need to put the bpos in the POS instead of being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps further add to the inconvenience for anyone not in a big corp. Why bother having a POS if you're not a big corp now?
Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in. |
Paranoid Loyd
961
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:45:00 -
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Obligatory: Cri us a river "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1116
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:48:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:I assumed the changes CCP discussed in the dev blogs and forums would be beneficial. I have yet to see how this is the case. Non-elite corps who focused on research and manufacturing appear to have been given their pink slips by CCP, as the changes make it much harder to use the benefits of a POS unless you're a big time research/manufacturing corp. Add to that the increased inconvenience of using a POS unless you're a big corp. The added "system tax" fees and the need to put the bpos in the POS instead of being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps further add to the inconvenience for anyone not in a big corp. Why bother having a POS if you're not a big corp now?
Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in.
They removed station queues - ie a player like me that operated a small research pos for 2 years to get around the historically absurd queues on me research and bpo copying can just use a station now, so I pulled up my pos because I don't need it. That is more, not less accessible to little corps/individuals.
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Breytli Woelin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:51:00 -
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But regular stations don't, from what I see, have the time and efficiency bonuses for research or manufacturing that a POS does. Or am I misreading? Have they effectively removed those benefits from POS's? |
Breytli Woelin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:52:00 -
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And forgot to add to the last, okay, so individuals gain a little more access. What about my original question: what is the point of a POS now for non-elite corps? |
Zinther Del'Ara
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:53:00 -
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A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
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Posted - 2014.07.23 00:59:00 -
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Lets not forget about the nerfed POS anchoring standings requirements. That alone put several corps out of business who specialized in corp creation and pos anchoring sevices.
I think most reseach corporations without other means of income will be flat lining soon as well.
- Throws in the obligatory, "This is Eve, adapt or die." |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1027
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:02:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:And forgot to add to the last, okay, so individuals gain a little more access. What about my original question: what is the point of a POS now for non-elite corps? If you aren't using it enough to justify its cost then don't. Nothing wrong here. Just like if you don't need the benefits offered by plopping down a classroom outpost and holding sov, you don't need to. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
745
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:09:00 -
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If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?
You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..
adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.
Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6247
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:16:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. but dying is so unbalanced ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Breytli Woelin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:27:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?
You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..
adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.
Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it.
No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
745
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:30:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:DaReaper wrote:If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?
You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..
adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.
Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances.
I disagree. But we will see once everything has settled and people stop knee jerking
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6249
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:39:00 -
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Knee jerking is pretty important, I guess ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:40:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:42:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:DaReaper wrote:If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?
You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..
adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.
Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances. Players are closing POSes because they no longer need multiple to run efficiently. Players are closing POSes because they now have cheaper and more effective options elsewhere.
I don't see where someone was running an effective POS before can't do it now. |
Kaaeliaa
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
5503
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:44:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Zinther Del'Ara wrote:A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good.
Yeah that's about all there is to say.
Null is supposed to be more rewarding than highsec? Say it ain't so! One of EVE's Most Beautiful People. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillow Fort. Proponent of Dusette Voltron Theory (tm). Adopted Dusette. FAQ time with Kaaeliaa Q: What is the meaning of life, Kaaeliaa? A: Yes. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1435
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:50:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what?
You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets..
adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard.
Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. A: Sov holders pay less for a POS. B: Outposts beat POS hands down despite one time cost only.
In saying that most POS being pulled down were research POS from what I've seen, who's owners will now just use the stations which are no longer queued up for 100 days at a time. Those who do a large enough bulk to make a POS pay for itself will still use one. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1435
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:52:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Rhes wrote:Zinther Del'Ara wrote:A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good. Yeah that's about all there is to say. Null is supposed to be more rewarding than highsec? Say it ain't so! Null is supposed to be more rewarding overall to the same character. It's not meant to make skills meaningless or obsolete highsec. Every area of space is meant to have it's own focus, and this 'may' have destroyed high secs. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15620
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:05:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:
Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in.
I laughed so hard when I realized that what you really meant was "CCP catering to highsec".
Just for you:
Highsec Decline
Written by Unsuccessful at Everything Produced by Unsuccessful ProductionsGäó Loosely based on "I will survive" by Gloria Gaynor
When Crius first launched, I was mortified. kept thinking I can no longer play which kinda made me cry, But then I spent like five minutes looking through the patch notes.. And I found it wrong.. This whole patch of yours is wrong! Ill throw it back! right in your face! CCP just ruined my submarine game in fluidic space! All my whine threads have gotten locks, Threads all closed by ISDs, Had I known what to expect, I probably sue CCP! I cant even go, right out the door! Ill just unsub now, I feel im not welcome anymore, Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry, Ill watch your server crumble, Ill watch your evil game die!
So I wave bye, to highsec decline! Oh as long as you wont cater to me, Ill go play WoW and thrive. Ive got subs with ESO, Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye Highsec's declined, hey hey.
It took all the skills I had just to build cap parts, Now lowsecs better for that, you bastards broke my heart! And I spent all this cash on subs, For years I trained my toons, to sit in station and refine mission loot. You took that from me, my perfect refine too. Im not going to sit in highsec and watch it get screwed. So you buffed my barges more And thought that would appease me, Now ill be spending all my dough on games that will cater to me! I cant even go, right out my door! Ill just unsub now, I feel im not welcome anymore. Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry, Ill watch your sub numbers crumble, Ill watch your game dry up and die!
So I wave bye, to highsec decline! Oh as long as you wont cater to me, Ill go play WoW and thrive. Ive got subs with ESO, Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye.. Highsec's declined, hey hey. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
283
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Knee jerking is pretty important, I guess +
Not just knees, baby. Whats your sign?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Complaint Dept
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:17:00 -
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Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH???
Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd!
I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand! They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! And many of us have NO INTEREST in null sec space. That's what makes this game so great. However when they do dumb stuff like this it no longer becomes fun. Maybe it's time to look at a different game. Keep it up CCP and you will lose real money.
CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5690
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:24:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd! I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand!They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!!
The more people building/researching/whatever things in a system, the more you will pay to do those same things. Find a system off the beaten path.
Or continue compaining over nothing I guess. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
745
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:25:00 -
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also the prices will start to drop and ajust as the new formula kicks in. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
985
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:27:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!! Request denied.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
655
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:50:00 -
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Not to worry. The last time CCP buffed the blue donut, players obliged them and they soon followed with a nerf bat.
A 'brand new' character in a Null alliance is called an Alt. Trial alts being the best version and if Null alliances can undercut HS industry using Null throw away alts? They will and after most of the damage is done, CCP will nerf it. Like they always have.
stockpile raw material, wait for the inevitable. |
Thibault Etienne
22
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Posted - 2014.07.24 01:18:00 -
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I notice the ones slagging of people who complain on here are mostly null sec dwellers. Well another one bites the dust, fair post OP. +1 And that said So long eve. Im un subbing too. all I have to do is hand the corp over and im gone. Bio massed so I wont return. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
505
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Posted - 2014.07.24 01:24:00 -
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Zinther Del'Ara wrote:A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. What about a dedicated character moving to null? Just another few days, and my Bob the Builder will be leaving for null. Crius has accomplished what nothing before did: give me a reason to stop having highsec alts. Sounds like a win to me. |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:05:00 -
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I hope your POS(es) are not in Ambeke. New Intel tools blink red in a system without stations to have more copies going on than any other place, all BPOs are there, inside the high sec pinatas, and I really hope they are not Archons and the like... Ohh, and there is the teams moved there as well
Send me some game mail and we can make a deal, I have information about shiny pinatas, flying or fixed, in almost every high sec regions.
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3810
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:06:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:fan bois What was your purpose behind using this term? .. when everything else is gone .. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3570
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:29:00 -
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Breytli Woelin wrote:being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps
Not and be able to use them in a POS which wasn't in the same system. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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