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Aktonn
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:54:00 -
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So what's everyone opinions on the current meta when it comes to solo play in faction warfare?
Having been re-subbed for the past month after been gone for the past two years I've noticed few minor changes.
The Garmur andworm seem to be at the top of the pecking order but being so powerful that most just blue ball those ships.
A lot of players are now fitting their Fed comets with rails instead of blaster to overcome the over use of TDs.
The dual tanked breacher is an absolute beast and can be a bit of shock the first time you come across it.
Light missile condors can is a serious pain in the arse .
Tristan is nasty with long point or scram. Many fits seem to rely on sitting at their perfect optimals within a plex which means some fights end up being a battle of who is the most patient.
Thoughts? . |
Damen Apol
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.23 09:57:00 -
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The current meta is about speed.
If you're a brawler that can't catch that kiter or escape long-point range you're dead.
Like-wise if you're that kiter that can't keep range and a brawler gets on top of you, you're dead.
And if you're both brawling/kiting, the faster one can escape point range and leave the fight whenever. |
Colt Blackhawk
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.07.23 10:08:00 -
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Current meta is: 2 off grid boosters, 1 3b pod and 1 bomber mission farming alt from enemy militia
Bro I give u a good hint: Forget all this militia crap. I did it for almost two years just to realise that it is full of wannabe pros (2 ogb, 3 pod and sometimes falcon alt if the would loose a "fight") and wannabe loyalists (bomber alts from enemy militia) I remember when I once laughed at the minnies when I saw their core militia members using ogb for their mission alt and protecting them with falcons. You knwo what? Same **** in amarr militia. Absolute core members boosting their minnie bomber toons and defending them with amarr militia alt. You want some pew in low then go pirate. But don-¦t try toplay a game where the tier of a militia is complete nonsense because everyone has bomber alts everywhere and you only feed wannabe pros who haven-¦t killed even a pod without ogb for ages with killmails. Seriously from someone who did this crap almost two years: FORGET IT! [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
790
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Posted - 2014.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Current meta is: 2 off grid boosters, 1 3b pod and 1 bomber mission farming alt from enemy militia Bro I give u a good hint: Forget all this militia crap. I did it for almost two years just to realise that it is full of wannabe pros (2 ogb, 3 pod and sometimes falcon alt if the would loose a "fight") and wannabe loyalists (bomber alts from enemy militia) I remember when I once laughed at the minnies when I saw their core militia members using ogb for their mission alt and protecting them with falcons. You knwo what? Same **** in amarr militia. Absolute core members boosting their minnie bomber toons and defending them with amarr militia alt. You want some pew in low then go pirate. But don-¦t try toplay a game where the tier of a militia is complete nonsense because everyone has bomber alts everywhere and you only feed wannabe pros who haven-¦t killed even a pod without ogb for ages with killmails. Seriously from someone who did this crap almost two years: FORGET IT!
Lies, All Lies ! |
Colt Blackhawk
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
299
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Posted - 2014.07.23 10:44:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Current meta is: 2 off grid boosters, 1 3b pod and 1 bomber mission farming alt from enemy militia Bro I give u a good hint: Forget all this militia crap. I did it for almost two years just to realise that it is full of wannabe pros (2 ogb, 3 pod and sometimes falcon alt if the would loose a "fight") and wannabe loyalists (bomber alts from enemy militia) I remember when I once laughed at the minnies when I saw their core militia members using ogb for their mission alt and protecting them with falcons. You knwo what? Same **** in amarr militia. Absolute core members boosting their minnie bomber toons and defending them with amarr militia alt. You want some pew in low then go pirate. But don-¦t try toplay a game where the tier of a militia is complete nonsense because everyone has bomber alts everywhere and you only feed wannabe pros who haven-¦t killed even a pod without ogb for ages with killmails. Seriously from someone who did this crap almost two years: FORGET IT! Lies, All Lies !
Knowing BMs sense of humor a bit: I am veeeery pleased :) [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:06:00 -
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:21:00 -
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Damen Apol wrote:The current meta is about speed.
If you're a brawler that can't catch that kiter or escape long-point range you're dead.
Like-wise if you're that kiter that can't keep range and a brawler gets on top of you, you're dead.
And if you're both brawling/kiting, the faster one can escape point range and leave the fight whenever. Pretty much. Combat is black and white. It's all about kiting and winning the DPS race.
Or flying ships that are more than a one trick pony. Like neuting,scramming and webbing tristans. Triple damp hookbills. And other forms of "get into this ship because it can only be countered by a ship of the same type".
PvP in general in this game is rather bland. Was inspired at first, with how the ships of various size are balanced against each other, the trade offs for T2, etc. TBH it's all pretty crap. |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes
1203
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Posted - 2014.07.23 12:40:00 -
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If you go into scram range you are going to die. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Aktonn
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:08:00 -
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Damen Apol wrote:The current meta is about speed.
If you're a brawler that can't catch that kiter or escape long-point range you're dead.
Like-wise if you're that kiter that can't keep range and a brawler gets on top of you, you're dead.
And if you're both brawling/kiting, the faster one can escape point range and leave the fight whenever.
This is true if you meet at a planet sure but with most fights happening within a plex any brawler with a web and scram is just going to sit at zero and there is nothing a typical kite fit can do and vice verca. . |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:20:00 -
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Damen Apol wrote:The current meta is about speed.
If you're a brawler that can't catch that kiter or escape long-point range you're dead.
Like-wise if you're that kiter that can't keep range and a brawler gets on top of you, you're dead.
And if you're both brawling/kiting, the faster one can escape point range and leave the fight whenever. I would also like to add that water is wet. pew pew |
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Plato Forko
Forko Nanorobotics
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:31:00 -
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Pirate frig buffs have pretty much put the Keres and Hyena out of a role, Dram and DD seem to have gotten a bit more popular if for no other reason than a hedge against all the pilots now flying Worms.
It's gotten to a point where pirate frigs are now better than T2 frigs, which is problematic because unlike T2 frigs those pirate frigs can still get into novice plexes. T1 frig use was still strong when faction frigs were the biggest threat, because a T1 frig could still best a faction frig if the fight went well. Likewise, a faction frig could take out a T2 frig if the conditions were good.
Back in Retribution there was a good sense of balance. People understood that paying an extra 10-20m for a faction or T2 frigate was just insurance but there was still the chance you might lose to a T1 frig. Now that sense of balance is shot. There is no frigate, T1 or T2, that can tank the DPS from the top pirate frigs, at least not without a solid OGB, so if they can catch up to you (which they can thanks to range-extending tackle bonuses) then you're done.
The pirate cruisers were never such a problem, because while they have pimp bonuses, they are still vulnerable to being tackled/ambushed/outpewpewed. the pirate frigs, on the other hand, have no such vulnerability. They can just burn through anything fast enough to tackle them with overwhelming DPS and evade any ugly situation with classic frigate speed. It's pretty obvious that they've gotten OP from the fact that the Worm has literally doubled in value from the 50m it used to be to 100m ISK. Man. Between 100m ISK frigs pushing me out of novice plexes and PLEX costing 800m ISK, it's gotten a lot harder to stay in the game :\ My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2407
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:47:00 -
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Pirate Frigs great for solo work, but they are expensive killmails waiting to happen as numbers increase. Conclusion: Balanced.
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:48:00 -
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Scram-kite is still pretty popular, otherwise kite. Investing in a decent head has been made easier with new implants. Santo Trafficante keeps us honest. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
368
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:23:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote: You want some pew in low then go pirate. But don-¦t try toplay a game where the tier of a militia is complete nonsense because everyone has bomber alts everywhere and you only feed wannabe pros who haven-¦t killed even a pod without ogb for ages with killmails.
OK then by your logic no pirates use ogbs in low sec and while roaming lowsec as a pie you totally wont run into ogb boosted people from BOTH sides of the militias and wont get beat twice as hard..... GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:59:00 -
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Current meta is not bothering to play this **** game. nom nom
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Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
1801
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Posted - 2014.07.23 23:48:00 -
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Find a ship that people either underestimate or at least are not terrified of. Fit it to surprise your opponents. My favorite ship right now is the Corax. The alpha I can get off the ship as well as the application of that alpha are so sick it's OP. Most people will gladly engage it though. It is slow and Caldari after all.
Pirate frigates are good and well but you seriously have to pimp out absolutely everything to maximize the ship. I refuse to fly a 250m - 500m isk loss mail in the form of a frigate. Not only would such a loss make me sick but I'd have problems finding suitable fights. I watched a guy in a Worm circle the Amarr/Minmatar front repeatedly last night. Everyone just kept avoiding him. It was a little sad.
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Aktonn
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:11:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Find a ship that people either underestimate or at least are not terrified of. Fit it to surprise your opponents. My favorite ship right now is the Corax. The alpha I can get off the ship as well as the application of that alpha are so sick it's OP. Most people will gladly engage it though. It is slow and Caldari after all.
Pirate frigates are good and well but you seriously have to pimp out absolutely everything to maximize the ship. I refuse to fly a 250m - 500m isk loss mail in the form of a frigate. Not only would such a loss make me sick but I'd have problems finding suitable fights. I watched a guy in a Worm circle the Amarr/Minmatar front repeatedly last night. Everyone just kept avoiding him. It was a little sad.
Rarely see a Corax soloing. What sort of fit and tactics are you using? . |
Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
1803
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:35:00 -
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Blap Fit |
Aktonn
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:05:00 -
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Nice fit. Used it to take down a Firetail today. Lost it to a Tristan and Slicer combo but only because i started shooting the Tristan first.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:12:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Find a ship that people either underestimate or at least are not terrified of. Fit it to surprise your opponents. My favorite ship right now is the Corax. The alpha I can get off the ship as well as the application of that alpha are so sick it's OP. Most people will gladly engage it though. It is slow and Caldari after all.
Pirate frigates are good and well but you seriously have to pimp out absolutely everything to maximize the ship. I refuse to fly a 250m - 500m isk loss mail in the form of a frigate. Not only would such a loss make me sick but I'd have problems finding suitable fights. I watched a guy in a Worm circle the Amarr/Minmatar front repeatedly last night. Everyone just kept avoiding him. It was a little sad.
+1
Haven't tried the Corax yet (I will) but destroyers in general are often underestimated. They usually work quite well against mini-gangs of frigates.
When fitting them, I find it's useful to not bother too much about range control (they're usually way too slow anyway), but to take advantage of their 7-8 weapons and especially their hefty bonuses to damage application.
Just make sure anything within scram or even point range dies quickly, and you'll usually win the ISK war at the very least. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
226
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Posted - 2014.07.24 19:14:00 -
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The Corax is pretty crappy. You put out low DPS and with such a slow ship (slowest dessie i think), you're going to be caught by almost anything. You might be able to kill no tank frigates, but who can't? Other kite dessies will rip you a new one if you stay within point range. As they'll have almost ~75DPS on you.
If you try to use Rockets, you'll literally be beat by any other brawling dessie. Sure you'll put out 300dps at perfect tracking, but who can't hit a slow ass destroyer at brawling ranges? You won't have a great tank, but a decent one, but it's shields which means all of your resists are lower than an armor one.
Sure if you get 20 of them 70km off a button and volley targets it's alright, but then, 20 sniper corms is better. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
316
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Posted - 2014.07.24 19:34:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Sure if you get 20 of them 70km off a button and volley targets it's alright, but then, 20 sniper corms is better.
Who's that riding in the sun? Who's the man with the itchy gun? Who's the man who kills for fun? Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
He sleeps with a gun but he loves his son Killed his wife 'cos she weighed a ton. Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
A little touched or so we're told Killed his wife 'cos she had a cold Might as well she was gettin' old Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
He's quick with a gun And his job ain't done. Killed his wife by twenty-one, Sniper Corm!
Who's that riding in the sleigh? Who's that firing along the way? Who's roughing up bums on Christmas day? Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
Who's the tall, dark stranger there. The one with the gun and the icy stare. The one with the scalp of his ex-wife's hair! Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
Who's that riding across the plain? Who's lost count of the wives he's slain? Who's the man who's plumb insane? Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm, Sniper Corm.
He's a durn good pa, but he hates the law. He's likes to eat it raw, He's Sniper Corm!
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Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
1808
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:42:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:The Corax is pretty crappy. You put out low DPS and with such a slow ship (slowest dessie i think), you're going to be caught by almost anything. You might be able to kill no tank frigates, but who can't? Other kite dessies will rip you a new one if you stay within point range. As they'll have almost ~75DPS on you.
If you try to use Rockets, you'll literally be beat by any other brawling dessie. Sure you'll put out 300dps at perfect tracking, but who can't hit a slow ass destroyer at brawling ranges? You won't have a great tank, but a decent one, but it's shields which means all of your resists are lower than an armor one.
Sure if you get 20 of them 70km off a button and volley targets it's alright, but then, 20 sniper corms is better.
Corax is about alpha, not DPS. Put 280s on a Thrasher. Load it with RF EMP. Now imagine that alpha going out to 50km and hitting perfectly. A plain Jane Atron with MWD would have to exceed 5423 m/s before my 1669 alpha would be reduced via sig tanking. That is with Fury Scourge. With Faction lights the speed to beat is 11283 m/s. That is lol as the missiles only go 8.5k m/s. In other words if I connect I'm ignoring your skirmish links.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1514
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Posted - 2014.07.25 00:48:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23896930
That's my fit. Slightly more tanky. Can take out a dual-rep Breacher if you overload all the things and don't clue him in that you have a point till he's run out of ASB charges (because of slow). The key, for the dullards, is in the rigs. Perfect alpha, great damage projection (32km Jav roflkets FTW) and supreme engagability.
And, dear Colt Blackhawk, you are right of course. However, you'll be glad to know I whipped your Condor in my Vigil without links. There are a few honest souls out there, hidden amongst the hordes of pro elite PVPers, trapping Condors into fights they simply cannot win. J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.25 03:14:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote: Corax is about alpha, not DPS. Put 280s on a Thrasher. Load it with RF EMP. Now imagine that alpha going out to 50km and hitting perfectly.
Sure, if you start 50km away from someone. But you don't. You start 30km away. And then he OH MWD and burns towards you giong at least 3k. while you lumber up and go 1.5k. (And if you did start 50km away, GL keeping a point on him)
Again, talking solo here, unless you're fighting untanked frigates, they're gonna catch you and eat you up. Alpha means nothing when you're the only person shooting. |
Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
1810
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Posted - 2014.07.25 03:46:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote: Corax is about alpha, not DPS. Put 280s on a Thrasher. Load it with RF EMP. Now imagine that alpha going out to 50km and hitting perfectly.
Sure, if you start 50km away from someone. But you don't. You start 30km away. And then he OH MWD and burns towards you giong at least 3k. while you lumber up and go 1.5k. (And if you did start 50km away, GL keeping a point on him) Again, talking solo here, unless you're fighting untanked frigates, they're gonna catch you and eat you up. Alpha means nothing when you're the only person shooting.
It's more about the pod then the ship. Try fitting the fit in my loss mail above in EFT. You'll notice something. It works for me. Hitting targets for 1k+ after resists every 5.43 seconds makes me happy. |
Colt Blackhawk
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
301
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:31:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23896930
That's my fit. Slightly more tanky. Can take out a dual-rep Breacher if you overload all the things and don't clue him in that you have a point till he's run out of ASB charges (because of slow). The key, for the dullards, is in the rigs. Perfect alpha, great damage projection (32km Jav roflkets FTW) and supreme engagability.
And, dear Colt Blackhawk, you are right of course. However, you'll be glad to know I whipped your Condor in my Vigil without links. There are a few honest souls out there, hidden amongst the hordes of pro elite PVPers, trapping Condors into fights they simply cannot win.
You whipped my condor also with your slicer with a really perfect flown slingshot :)
Edit... oh erm nope wasnt ypu. Was NBonga :P [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
216
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:08:00 -
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I did the solo thing for quite some time....
What I found is that about 40% of "soloers" use links. Links that make tristans tank 300 dps with one SAAR while dual webbed. Links that make kiting ships completely un-catchable.
The other 40% fly faction frigs to counter the people who use links, or set traps with friends, or use ridiculously expensive implants like mid-hi grade snakes.
Then there are 20% or so who actually fly solo t1 frigates without all the other BS. |
Damen Apol
Dayman Industries
46
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:51:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I did the solo thing for quite some time....
What I found is that about 40% of "soloers" use links. Links that make tristans tank 300 dps with one SAAR while dual webbed. Links that make kiting ships completely un-catchable.
The other 40% fly faction frigs to counter the people who use links, or set traps with friends, or use ridiculously expensive implants like mid-hi grade snakes.
Then there are 20% or so who actually fly solo t1 frigates without all the other BS.
sucks to be poor |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
238
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:25:00 -
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Scram kite. Or how I learned to dictate range and love Null. I like it best when the beats are naked. |
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