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Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
307
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Posted - 2014.07.24 10:52:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Huola is rightfully Imperial territory.
And Arzad is rightfully Matari territory. I am endlessly tickled how you people see more fault in our response to 7 centuries of hatred and genocide and cruelty than in the acts committed against us during the Long Night.
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:This has gone on for over three years. Of course the terrorists from Ushra'Khan will never admit this ugly truth; to them no harm done to an Amarrian can be a wrong, even if they have never participated in slavery themselves. Such is the hatred that fuels this conflict.
According to Imperial dogma, no harm done to a Matari can be wrong; one is enslaved simply for the crime of being Matari. Such is the cruelty which fuels the hatred we feel for you. The war has gone on for three years... how long does one family endure generational slavery again?
Clean your own house before pointing out the dirt on the floor of ours. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
844
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:19:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Red Khalmer wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I certainly hope you got an enormous list of kills to be worth all this trumpeting. You see your own fallen comrades as just "kills". This my brothers and sisters is the true face of amarr. Heartlessness swept in Promises of Salvation. All Freethinking people! This if anything is a reason to stand up against the Amarrian Tyranny! I'm a Caldari military contractor for the Empire, not a native Amarrian or even a naturalised one, but nice mouth-froth there. Caldari-Amarr militia.... Calamari militia. Your a Squid! The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3875
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:42:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Red Khalmer wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I certainly hope you got an enormous list of kills to be worth all this trumpeting. You see your own fallen comrades as just "kills". This my brothers and sisters is the true face of amarr. Heartlessness swept in Promises of Salvation. All Freethinking people! This if anything is a reason to stand up against the Amarrian Tyranny! I'm a Caldari military contractor for the Empire, not a native Amarrian or even a naturalised one, but nice mouth-froth there. Caldari-Amarr militia.... Calamari militia. Your a Squid!
I could make a joke about having huge tentacles. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:29:00 -
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DeT Resprox wrote:Last night a fifteen strong fleet consisting mainly of Republic Fleet Firetails was sent on an operation under orders of Red Khalmer, CEO of the Tribal Opposition. In other words, only 15 frigates. OK.
DeT Resprox wrote: Our message to the slaver nation was clear - surrender your slaves - any corporation found harboring or trading in this abhorrent act shall be declared upon and stamped out.
Do you understand, that you have no authority in the Empire space, and they have zero to none desire to follow your message? Do you understand, that almost any corporation will stamp out your "strong fleet" instead? You aren't even an Empire citizen to tell them what to do with their people in their territory. If you wish to command so much, maybe you will make your own little Empire, somewhere in Maker-forsaken null security space, and command as you like, what to do with your slaves, and what not to do with your slaves.
DeT Resprox wrote: Private bounties have been placed upon the commanding officers of both Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris and the Curatores Veritatis Alliance while we focus on destabilisng Amarrian strikes into Huola itself.
"We can't kill them. Someone, please do it!"
DeT Resprox wrote: We come for our people!
Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people.
People in the Empire aren't yours to take. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
685
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:47:00 -
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They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.
Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:56:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.
Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers. Not "your" State anymore, damn traitor. Go kiss another minmatar~ |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3878
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:09:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.
Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers. Not "your" State anymore, damn traitor. Go kiss another minmatar~
Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
845
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Posted - 2014.07.24 23:05:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Red Khalmer wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I certainly hope you got an enormous list of kills to be worth all this trumpeting. You see your own fallen comrades as just "kills". This my brothers and sisters is the true face of amarr. Heartlessness swept in Promises of Salvation. All Freethinking people! This if anything is a reason to stand up against the Amarrian Tyranny! I'm a Caldari military contractor for the Empire, not a native Amarrian or even a naturalised one, but nice mouth-froth there. Caldari-Amarr militia.... Calamari militia. Your a Squid! I could make a joke about having huge tentacles. Then why haven't you? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Raphael Ordo
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
95
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Posted - 2014.07.25 00:40:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: And Arzad is rightfully Matari territory. I am endlessly tickled how you people see more fault in our response to 7 centuries of hatred and genocide and cruelty than in the acts committed against us during the Long Night.
Arzad is also imperial territory, ever since the previous royal Heir Idonis Ardishapur declared, specifically that Arzad II (your previous Starkmanir Prime), would be protected under KhadreaGÇÖs Law, aka Imperial Protectorate.
Your claims to obtain control of this war zone is only bringing about more civilian casualties. It was the Amarr who brought civilization to this dark and perilous world, and it is this eternal Empire that upholds it, with compassion, strength and courage. We need you to help us save the Minmatar from themselves. We will help the lost ones find their way, Matari, and we will do it with a deathless force to be reckoned with.
I've been seeing some good coordination between our navy fleets and honorable ground forces in the Imperial Guard as of late. This has resulted in uncountable number of orbital strikes on both Amarr and Minmatar controlled planets. Again, while this is necessary to reduce the terror the possible civilian population is experiencing under the threats and subjugation of the Republic Command, these worlds are subjects to civilian casualties where evacuation is not possible.
Other intelligence sources has told me that Minmatar ground forces rarely, or never, evacuate cities or vital industrial complexes, even when the deployment of imperial forces and battles are imminent.
This reminds me of an old navy transmission etched into my memory core:
"The initial volleys neutralized sixty-eight separate defense batteries while removing a mere ninety-eight thousand Minmatar from the viable worker stock. Praise unto God." - Amarr Navy transmission during orbital bombardment of "Eanna", Planet VI, The Hror System |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
330
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Posted - 2014.07.25 02:21:00 -
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What's going on over here then..?
Oh right, exactly the same argument that is always going on over here.
It's strangely reassuring how predictable that was.
Anyway, Welcome back to the war Ushra'Khan. I look forward to seeing your work. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon |
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
845
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Posted - 2014.07.25 02:39:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:DeT Resprox wrote: We come for our people!
Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people. People in the Empire aren't yours to take. Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:32:00 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:You state, that there are civilian Amarr citizens on the surface in Huola? I mean, except the few hundred really stubborn ones who have refused to abandon their family holdings? May I ask WHY? 'cause home is home, you can ask the same question about Caldari Prime and people who live there.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors... Sometimes it should when rats get loose and bring their filth to flood the house.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3877
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:07:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.
Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers.
Actively aiding the Minmatar doesn't have to be detrimental to the State, you know. Just look at Insorum. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Graelyn
Decapsulation Services Circle-Of-Two
658
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:21:00 -
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If having myself and Diana Kim agree on the silliness of this doesn't get through to you, then I doubt a round of Void M would do any better. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3879
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:51:00 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors... Sometimes it should when rats get loose and bring their filth to flood the house.
If I was going to make a list of a thousand things you know absolutely nothing about, near the top would be the State, Me and what it means to be Caldari.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:04:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: And Arzad is rightfully Matari territory. I am endlessly tickled how you people see more fault in our response to 7 centuries of hatred and genocide and cruelty than in the acts committed against us during the Long Night.
Arzad is also imperial territory, ever since the previous royal Heir Idonis Ardishapur declared, specifically that Arzad II (your previous Starkmanir Prime), would be protected under KhadreaGÇÖs Law, aka Imperial Protectorate. Your claims to obtain control of this war zone is only bringing about more civilian casualties. It was the Amarr who brought civilization to this dark and perilous world, and it is this eternal Empire that upholds it, with compassion, strength and courage. We need you to help us save the Minmatar from themselves. We will help the lost ones find their way, Matari, and we will do it with a deathless force to be reckoned with. I've been seeing some good coordination between our navy fleets and honorable ground forces in the Imperial Guard as of late. This has resulted in uncountable number of orbital strikes on both Amarr and Minmatar controlled planets. Again, while this is necessary to reduce the terror the possible civilian population is experiencing under the threats and subjugation of the Republic Command, these worlds are subjects to civilian casualties where evacuation is not possible. Other intelligence sources has told me that Minmatar ground forces rarely, or never, evacuate cities or vital industrial complexes, even when the deployment of imperial forces and battles are imminent. This reminds me of an old navy transmission etched into my memory core: "The initial volleys neutralized sixty-eight separate defense batteries while removing a mere ninety-eight thousand Minmatar from the viable worker stock. Praise unto God."- Amarr Navy transmission during orbital bombardment of "Eanna", Planet VI, The Hror System
What other effects did the Ardishapur house have on Arzad II, hmm?
Selective amnesia. It must be a PIE thing. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
687
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:37:00 -
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Graelyn wrote:If having myself and Diana Kim agree on the silliness of this doesn't get through to you, then I doubt a round of Void M would do any better.
If you find yourself agreeing with Diana Kim, it indicates you may want to rethink your position more than it indicates any sound argument.
@Stitcher:
You're right, as usual. However, this is a rather violent act of war we're talking about and I can not in good conscience act in aid of a military action against the State, however indirect through our allies. At this point, the furthest I can go without breaking with the principles and values I adhere to would simply be through supplying the markets. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3878
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:41:00 -
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Agreed completely. When Re-Awakened was considering joining the TLF, I made it known that their doing so would result in my leaving the corporation for that exact reason.
But yes, supplying the market, making contacts, fostering better relations... all stuff that benefits the Minmatar but also, I think, they benefit the Caldari as well. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Astraeos Khan
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
4
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:09:00 -
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You Amarians make me chuckle, I will be glad to stick my ikwa in your decaying, beating corpes. The acts that your people has fuled a anger that can not be stoped and not pushed back. All my brothers and sisters will been unlocked by the bondage you have coated them with. The time of safe wishful thinkings are coming to a end. If you would like to save your people come to houla and save them. If not I will be glad to jettison them into space my self. Come warrios of Amarr show us what years of boy loving can do. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1187
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:55:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Some days I get the impression that your list of non-traitors would be shorter than your list of traitors...
In fact, my list of "non-traitors" would be like 99.99% of State Citizens. And maybe 90% of State Capsuleers. As for writers in IGS... I think I'd better not give an estimate.
Thus... don't worry, Tuulinen-haan, my list of traitors is rather short. And I hope their lives will be as well. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1187
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:59:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have. Caldari Prime doesn't belong, never belonged and never will belong to gallenteans. Our ancestors made a mistake, signing damn federation charter, and they payed with their blood to get rid of these shackles. As for remaining gallenteans on our planets... All gallentean invaders and occupants WILL DIE. |
Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
57
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have. Caldari Prime doesn't belong, never belonged and never will belong to gallenteans. Our ancestors made a mistake, signing damn federation charter, and they payed with their blood to get rid of these shackles. As for remaining gallenteans on our planets... All gallentean invaders and occupants WILL DIE.
Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?
Diana Kim wrote:DeT Resprox wrote: We come for our people!
Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people. People in the Empire aren't yours to take.
But if the Amarrians enslave our people, obviously they are no longer ours to take... I'd say I'm having a hard time following your logic, but I think that might be due to the absence of it. Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. Unless you're an Amarrian zealot, that is. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3879
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:47:00 -
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Sebastien Starstrider wrote:Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back?
Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
846
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:21:00 -
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Sebastien Starstrider wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Same logic can be applied to your fight against the Gallente, you know. Caldari prime belongs to the Federation go back to the worlds you have. Caldari Prime doesn't belong, never belonged and never will belong to gallenteans. Our ancestors made a mistake, signing damn federation charter, and they payed with their blood to get rid of these shackles. As for remaining gallenteans on our planets... All gallentean invaders and occupants WILL DIE. Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back? Diana Kim wrote:DeT Resprox wrote: We come for our people!
Then turn 180 and return to your homes, to your people. People in the Empire aren't yours to take. But if the Amarrians enslave our people, obviously they are no longer ours to take... I'd say I'm having a hard time following your logic, but I think that might be due to the absence of it. Hard to follow something that doesn't exist. Unless you're an Amarrian zealot, that is. I never expected Kimmy to see (or even acknowledge) the parallel there.... So, par for the course. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
846
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:25:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:Gallenteans take Caldari Prime because the Caldari made the mistake of joining the Federation and losing a war.... and the Caldari should get it back? Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with. Just my personal opinion, but I would call forcing someone out of their home violently and into servitude a form of theft. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:51:00 -
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Soren Tyrhanos wrote:God willing we are able to save as many Imperial citizens as possible.
I am informed the Classiarii are already at work evacuating those they can planet side. I wish those brave souls luck in their efforts.
you are just now evacuating after the system had been controlled for three years? -áFear The Tribes |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:59:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote: ever since the previous royal Heir Idonis Ardishapur declared, specifically that Arzad II (your previous Starkmanir Prime)
...Your claims to obtain control of this war zone is only bringing about more civilian casualties.
shut the **** up. -áFear The Tribes |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:04:00 -
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and holy **** this is a DEFENSIVE fight that by the way, it took all of three posts for the Amarrians to make this look like it was us attacking them rather than the other way around.
god and you people are actually falling for it. -áFear The Tribes |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
24
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:06:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:and holy **** this is a DEFENSIVE fight that by the way, it took all of three posts for the Amarrians to make this look like it was us attacking them rather than the other way around.
god and you people are actually falling for it.
You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend. 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
111
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:21:00 -
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True, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain, but you have everything to lose.
We come for our people! |
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