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Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:14:00 -
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It's hard growing up. Finding your place in the cluster, making the right choices, and building a future for yourself can be one of the toughest challenges you face in your lifetime.
It is important that our leaders of tomorrow have access to the right opportunities that help them to develop into upstanding citizens, brilliant minds, and fantastic individuals. We all know that to do this we need to provide not only a strong community, but also opportunity to the parents and caretakers of these children. This is why the Institute of Social Development is hard at work giving the people of the Intaki system a new choice.
For many years, the self-imposed low security status of the Intaki system has resulted in a less stable atmosphere for the space surrounding the homeworld. While the Institute respects that choice and recognizes that there is not viable pathway to change that in the near future, we feel we are capable of playing our own small role so that things do get better.
While the planet itself has throughout much of its history remained a strong economic, cultural, and industrial centre for the Federation - the surrounding space does have its problems. Cartels, criminal gangs, and other extreme forces are prevalent - ready to prey on the hearts and minds of the large civilian population.
Just today, an Institute facility dedicated to employing Intaki civilians and building the local economy was set upon by thieving scavengers from a radical separatist group - perhaps showing their true colours. This is unacceptable.
We do not let the compromised values of others deter us however. We will continue in our mission to employ hardworking Federate citizens, and help shape a more prosperous future. Both on the planets of the system and in space, Institute teams are giving people the dignity of an honest days work (while others seek to influence them to acts of piracy) - creating products that will enliven democracy and bolster security.
We do this for the Federation, its people, its children.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3252
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:35:00 -
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So let me get this straight. You dropped a starbase down in the years-old stomping ground of the Intaki Prosperity Initiative, and you find yourself surprised there is a siphon sitting on it? I assume you had tried to negotiate with IPI before this, right? I seriously doubt you're incompetent enough to simply ignore the obvious and think you and your civilians are immune to the realities of capsuleer interaction.
It seems like negotiating with some of the dominant system occupants before placing these oh-so-vulnerable civilians out there in capsule-visible structures would be a more prudent decision. Otherwise, when you decide to build your sandcastle in somebody else's yard, you should not cry so hard when it gets poked and prodded harmlessly. You should, in fact, be thankful it was not simply kicked over.
Make no mistake about this, Laurentis. If siphons are involved, a starbase is involved. If a starbase is involved, you're not playing a game of "national sovereign rights" or "eminent domain" anymore. You're not playing a political game of who really owns that space (Note: It's not you). The moment you drop that starbase, you're playing a dangerous territorial game with and against other capsuleers.
If YOU put up a capsule-targetable structure out there, you better be willing to accept the consequences of failing due process in negotiating either peacefully or forcefully with existing capsuleer groups. That was and remains your responsibility. Not the Federation, not the civilians, not the IPI. It is incumbent upon you to check your new plot of space to see if dropping a structure down will attract the attention of others.
I suspect if you had followed a respectful line of inquiry with IPI on what it would take, they might have allowed or possibly encouraged and assisted with you setting up structures for the purposes of enriching the Intaki people. They worked closely with us for years, so that says something significant about their patient and cooperative manner.
All of this assumes your goal here is actually to peacefully enrich the lives of the Intaki people there, rather than... say... rabblerousing on the IGS because you found a siphon on your personal enrichment starbase. Or even worse, place bait for the IPI to bite so you can launch a political campaign against them.
Now that I think about it, you are a Federal politician, aren't you? Hmm. I suppose that answers that. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6326
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Posted - 2014.07.24 02:45:00 -
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So-- when you, a Gallente nationalist, begin resource extraction from the Intaki system, it's an egregious offense when the Intaki Prosperity Initiative reacquires those resources for investment in the Intaki system...?
Beyond that, my sentiments echo those of Oniseki-Charantes-haani. Did you negotiate resource extraction rights with the IPI? Possibly ensure an adequate tax would be given to Intaki groups operating out of the Intaki system, their traditional home and area of influence?
I very much doubt it.
As is natural, I await the attention of members of the IPI to further establish how you're at fault here.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
139
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:05:00 -
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Firstly, lets clear up some of the wild accusations that we have seen in response to this post.
I spoke quite clearly on the fact that the Institute's projects are dedicated to employing Intaki citizens and giving them an opportunity to work within the Federation and build better lives for themselves and their families. Even more clearly, I mentioned that such programmes were not only helping people, but were also allowing those people to help their community, their democracy, and their Union. In fact, the Institute is receiving and will receive no profit from the planetary facility that we are operating within the Intaki system - its goal is much more important, and we'd hope that that is not interfered with as well.
Secondly, I have to wonder when the IPI took sovereignty of Placid? If them 'being there' is a suitable metric, then the Serpentis, the FDU, and even the State Protectorate must have equal and competing claims. Am I expected to negotiate with all of them?
Rather, I'd suggest that a group that claims to be 'anti-pirate' lives up to their own values and refrains from pirate like activities in a system where they allegedly fight against such things. The Institute Station exists within capsuleer regulations, its products are entirely lawful within the Federation, and it does not pose an active threat to anything other then the IPI's attempted political hegemony over the area.
Now, as any democrat or economist will tell you, competition is not a bad thing.
I had expected the IPI to follow their own values. They've been calling for market development in Placid for years. A passive invitation to employ Intaki/Federation citizens and develop the area. Yet, when someone other than themselves decides to participate - they feel that one of their rallying calls is dissolving and seek to destabilize progress.
That is unfortunate.
As to Ms. Priano's suggestion that I pay into some kind of 'protection racket' through faux-taxes... well, no thanks. We prefer that our hard work gets reinvested into Intaki interests, not the IPI.
Finally - to the odd claim that I spent hundreds of millions of ISK just to make an IGS post, just let me say that when you review the conversation logs here, you were the first to mention the IPI. While, as any reasonable person would do, we provided evidence to our claims in the initial topic - we steered clear from mentioning any group or individual in the text of our statement. That was not to be the focus, only an example of why we're hard at work building a better Intaki for the Federation citizens living there.
You're the one that took it to that level, Ms. Oniseki-Charantes. I can bring you along to the next Progressor branch meeting if you like? |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6326
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:09:00 -
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Faux-taxes, protection racket, Intaki interests which obviously aren't the IPI...
I clearly need more brandy, because right now that's all laughable. Perhaps I'll be able to appreciate your statements after. Still, I suppose the humor has value as after-work entertainment. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Kayagainen Iwalula
Etsala Trading Company
88
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:39:00 -
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Intaki this, Intaki that. While you are trying and failing to accomplish your goals, there are two other habitable plants only a jump away that I'm (assuming that they're colonised as well) sure have seen nearly just as much anguish and suffering brought on by the constant power struggles in the area as Intaki, which receives adequate aid from the IPI. Perhaps you should refocus your goals to an area that might actually require your assistance, rather than one that clearly doesn't want it? |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
839
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:56:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden, **** happens? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
139
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:57:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Welcome to New Eden, **** happens?
Oh, no doubt. It's more the moral inconsistency that I'm calling out. Just because it does happen doesn't mean it should get a free pass in the public eye. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
685
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:48:00 -
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No, yeah. Capsuleers are going to ignore free ISK. Because of the children.
If I need a clonejump because my sides are literally splitting, I'm billing your institute. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
139
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:50:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:No, yeah. Capsuleers are going to ignore free ISK. Because of the children.
If I need a clonejump because my sides are literally splitting, I'm billing your institute.
It was too much to expect them to follow their own values I guess.
As to your clone... that sounds painful and I apologize profusely if you do in fact split in two. That is a bad thing and I hope it does not happen. |
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
440
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Posted - 2014.07.24 07:52:00 -
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Moral of the story: If you want to invest in the local infrastructure and help the Intaki people, you'd do better in Poitot than Intaki.
Not that they'd want Federals poking around there, mind you.
I'm not sure what's more hilarious however, your obvious naivete regarding IPI resorting to siphoning your POS, or I-RED's attempts of white-knighting the same.
Thieves will be thieves. Trust me, I'd know a bit about that. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2014.07.24 08:32:00 -
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Whining like a true Gallentean. If you anchor a star base full of civilians the siphon units are the least of your problems. The blooders are known for actively seeking out easy targets. If you cannot respond in force I suggest you start evacuation immediately, blooders lurk in IGS as well and your whining just made it clear you are an easy target. Again, if you cannot protect your starbase, get everyone out of there. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
14609
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Posted - 2014.07.24 09:24:00 -
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Well it's a Siphon, no big deal really. Yeah, it's affronting, but on the grand scale of things it doesn't really mean much.
Nice work blowing it up though.
I will add though that I am impressed by the words in your posts, Mr Thiesant, and your organization's mission. My family corporation has within it's ranks at least one capsuleer who Intaki by birth and comes from background of homelessness and poverty, ah. We give her fresh start and sponsor her life as a capsuleer, but I still see the pain in her eyes each day from the memories they hold. Kowing that there are organizations such as your own stepping in to fill shortfalls in the Federation's social service system is heart warming and I hope there are fewer people that find themselves in such positions of desperation as a result.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3256
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:26:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Whining like a true Gallentean. If you anchor a star base full of civilians the siphon units are the least of your problems. The blooders are known for actively seeking out easy targets. If you cannot respond in force I suggest you start evacuation immediately, blooders lurk in IGS as well and your whining just made it clear you are an easy target. Again, if you cannot protect your starbase, get everyone out of there.
This is pretty much what I was trying to say.
A starbase is a wartime structure designed for hostile environments. Hence the permanent shield that you can't even disable without bleeding the entire tower dry of fuel. You can't hide them very well, you can't protect it on your own, and making IGS posts isn't going to protect it either. An IPI siphon is the least of your concerns now that you've made this post.
So yes, if you plan to shove civilians in it as part of some back-to-work programme and don't want it molested, YES, you need to be negotiating with everybody in the area. IPI, FDU, STPRO. It's too late now though. I suggest you simply remove the tower and put those civilians to work on planetary structures.
Oh, and, linking to kill reports is actually banned by the SCC here on the IGS. Don't worry, I have not reported you. You might want to edit your original posting though and remove it. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
308
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:33:00 -
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Poitot is the only named system in Syndicate! GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
399
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Posted - 2014.07.24 11:40:00 -
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Has any attempt been made to talk this action through with the IPI, before engaging in shameful public mud slinging? I mean AFTER the event, not the prior discussions mentioned in your posts, Laurentis.
Unless you have official blue with said organisation, I'd consider this fair game. Personally I abide by NRDS under the instruction of my friends in Providence, but I completely understand that in the unclaimed tracts of low security space such profiling may be a luxury. IPI is well within it's rights to protect what they see as their territory, unless you are sufficiently equipped to dissuade such claims. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: Adaptable Industry for an Unpredictable Cluster
Intaki Reborn. Independent Capsuleer. |
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
140
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:37:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Well it's a Siphon, no big deal really. Yeah, it's affronting, but on the grand scale of things it doesn't really mean much.
Nice work blowing it up though.
I will add though that I am impressed by the words in your posts, Mr Thiesant, and your organization's mission. My family corporation has within it's ranks at least one capsuleer who Intaki by birth and comes from background of homelessness and poverty, ah. We give her fresh start and sponsor her life as a capsuleer, but I still see the pain in her eyes each day from the memories they hold. Kowing that there are organizations such as your own stepping in to fill shortfalls in the Federation's social service system is heart warming and I hope there are fewer people that find themselves in such positions of desperation as a result.
You're quite right. The siphon is no big deal in and of itself. The thing it was stealing really wasn't that important to my work anyway. This post was more about character, about values, and about making sure that the people of Intaki have opportunities in their homesystem with people who don't endorse such underhanded strategies that go against their own platform.
The Federation, or more accurately local governments - as the memberstates themselves have jurisdiction over welfare and almost every other issue which touches everyday lives, has to walk a fine line between providing opportunity to every one of its citizens and not creating a situation where people actively choose a life on welfare over contributing into their communities. As we all know - every nation struggles with this, and a government often has to make tough choices. This is where private enterprise, investment, and support can come in. This is my goal at the moment.
The IPI has told us for years that the Intaki government has not been suitably providing for the security and prosperity of its people. Now, I'm not inclined to believe that things are as bad as they say - we are talking about a Federation homeworld here. I don't believe that the industrial and economic powerhouse that has historically been the planetary economy has been selfish enough not to invest further into the area. Alas, with the war started by the Caldari State and the knock on effects that has had across the region, coupled with the sheer number of people in the Intaki system - there is cause to act.
I'm acting now to prevent any further fall in standard of living. Prevention being, after all, better than a cure. I welcome anyone who wants to dig in and lend a hand to do so. I promise that I'll not resort to the dirty tactics that have been thrown at me, because we all should do our part as the wealthy and power to better humanity and make investment in our communities.
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Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
140
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:42:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Poitot is the only named system in Syndicate!
Fact. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3876
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:48:00 -
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Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
has to walk a fine line between providing opportunity to every one of its citizens and not creating a situation where people actively choose a life on welfare over contributing into their communities.
Why not let US take more of a hand in local governance then? You know the Caldari view on welfare and on contribution to the community - we could avoid both of these problems as we have everywhere else that the State flag is raised! Productive workers contributing to a larger whole.
And making jabs about the State starting the war both ignores the fact that the Forever War was started with the agreement of the Federation and that the Federation is more than happy to continue it. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6328
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:37:00 -
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Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
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Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
34
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:44:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.
Indeed, there's no need to.
The answer's always the same as the old joke:
Where did the Furrier go after it crossed the road?
"The other side" |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1241
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:10:00 -
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Johanes Beaumonte wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war. Indeed, there's no need to. The answer's always the same as the old joke: Where did the Furrier go after it crossed the road? "The other side" In the case of the "Forever War" or "Pendulum War" or whatever people are calling it these days, there actually is a single answer as to who started it.
One only needs to look towards Yulai to see it.. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3877
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:10:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Oh, Maker, please let's not get into the interminable subject of 'who started it' on the war.
In my defence, Makoto, he started it.
Geddit?
He started it?
I'll get my jacket. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
21
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:54:00 -
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Had you gotten your people out yet? No? You're dafter than I thought. Or You're just another upstart gallentean drama maker. Not caring for the lives you sworn to care for, but provoking others and asking for an attack so you can point fingers and yell. A pretty good example of how pathetic the vile federation's propaganda network is though. 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6328
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:57:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In my defence, Makoto, he started it.
Geddit?
He started it?
I'll get my jacket.
Tuulinen, your instincts are good! Now go stand out in the cold while I get this awful taste out of my mouth... Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3878
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:17:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In my defence, Makoto, he started it.
Geddit?
He started it?
I'll get my jacket.
Tuulinen, your instincts are good! Now go stand out in the cold while I get this awful taste out of my mouth...
I wish that were the first time I'd heard that... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6328
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:47:00 -
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Oh, Maker, did I open myself up for that...
(and stop, now. no more.) Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:12:00 -
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Federals steal resources from Intaki. IPI steal resources from Federals. Federals whine that IPI are thieves.
This is a typical example of gallentean hypocrisy. We need to end this war sooner, so no gallentean thief would be able to exploit others, giving them nothing, but degrading and useless "democracy".
You can't feed children with ideas and empty words.
Intaki! If you wish to do real business, do it with the State instead. We pay back with real money, products and services.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3878
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:22:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Oh, Maker, did I open myself up for that...
(and stop, now. no more.)
You're making it worse!
(And I will stop. For the shreds of dignity remaining to us.) "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
685
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:43:00 -
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Aww, no stamina. I expected better from you Tuulinen. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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