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Tallas Shouna
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:40:00 -
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First, I want to say thank you to all who have helped me already. As a new player the game is kind of overwhelming At first. But a lot of the veterans are very approachable for questions. So far my experience has been great. I just recently upgraded from trial. So this leads me into my question.
I have chosen the wonderful career of exploring. I searched the forums, wiki, guides anything I can get my hands on to read to be better informed. My question is this. Are the Astrometric skills always so long to train? I understand how the attributes work and I remapped to Int/mem as that is their main attributes, but still my training to level IV is 3, 5, and 8 days. The multipliers are 5x,8x, and 3x. I was just wandering about the train times if this is normal or am I doing something wrong?
I know about evemon bit have yet to download it onto my computer.
Thanks for all your help. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:02:00 -
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This is normal. However you do not need the skills very high to be successful at exploration. Especially in hi sec. A set of +2 or +3 implants can help though. |
Tallas Shouna
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:05:00 -
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Thank you. I thought I had done something wrong. I want to eventually venture into low and null sec, but I want to make sure I can operate my ships and equipment properly first so I know their limitations. Thank you for your time. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:33:00 -
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Train them to lvl 3 or whatever level is required by those array modules that boost your hacking and whatever. With skills at lvl 4, sisters expanded launcher and probes and scanning rigs and those mid slot modules you shouldn't have any problems with scanning anywhere, maybe only very high level sites will cause you problems. Of course when you will have time to train all Astronometrics skills to 5 do it because it's always better to have those microscopic advantages over your competition. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Tallas Shouna
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:40:00 -
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Thank you. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:17:00 -
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lvl4s skills are more than enough for highsec and most of low. (some signatures can tale a while there) and if i had to retrain scanning skills again, after some of the recent changes, i would start by training Acquisition to V(5x skill) before anything else, its not only a 5% scan duration reduction, it also enables the t2 scan reduction upgrade for another 10%.
that 15% reduction is what will win you scan races in hsec, and what will keep you alive in low/null. staying too long in space, even cloaked, is not a good idea since pilots in space is a tracked statistic and its visible to anyone in the game.
astronometrics V (3x skill) would be the next, due to the T2 launchers, (you do not want to scan lowsec with faction launchers.) and that extra scan speed, plus the otehr two small bonuses.
Rangefinding(8x skill) and pinpointing(5x skill) are kinda meh now. you can easily compensate for them with the tier2 implants, they go for about 22m and give a nice 6% base. so training them past IV only makes sense if you already have your frig and Covops trained to V along with hacking and Archaeology. they do unlock T2 upgrades but the boosts are, again, minimal and those midslots will be taken with data/relic analyzers + prop. |
Tallas Shouna
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:28:00 -
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I am working on getting my frigate level to V now. I planned on doing cloaking to IV then level Astrometrics to V. I know I def want frig to V. I could start learning the necessary skills to get into a Stratios but I would like to master my own frig first, then go from there. I got another Magnate from upgrading my account so I thought about trying a relic site in low to try and get more isk for the implants and T2 variants. I will download evemon tonight and see what I can set up going off your guy's information. The guides online have been great for a guidance but I was really taken back by the length of training time for level 4.
Should I cancel my level 5 frig training and switch to Astrometrics to 5 then? |
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.24 19:12:00 -
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Tallas Shouna wrote:I am working on getting my frigate level to V now. I planned on doing cloaking to IV then level Astrometrics to V. I know I def want frig to V. I could start learning the necessary skills to get into a Stratios but I would like to master my own frig first, then go from there. I got another Magnate from upgrading my account so I thought about trying a relic site in low to try and get more isk for the implants and T2 variants. I will download evemon tonight and see what I can set up going off your guy's information. The guides online have been great for a guidance but I was really taken back by the length of training time for level 4.
Should I cancel my level 5 frig training and switch to Astrometrics to 5 then?
that +7,5% to scan probe strengh help too. keep in mind that to do exploration in low or null you'll want a covert ops frigate which requires racial frigate 5 (they are more or less the same) or a sisters of eve Astero (a lot more costly) which requires gallente frigate + amarr frigate. |
Caelestina
Twenty Questions RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.24 19:31:00 -
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Stick with the cov ops. Astero/Stratios just isn't worth it, especially when you are just starting out.
Don't think anyone mentioned yet (and if they did, sorry!), but definitely train cybernetics to at least 1, so you can use +3 implants. Cybernetics to IV will unlock +4's, which again, will help reduce those training times.
I wouldn't worry too much about using the T2 data and relic analyzers at first, maybe later when you go to lowsec, but I've seen every site done without them.
Also, when you do end up going to lowsec or nullsec, fly as cheaply and effectively as you can with no implants, at least until you get the hang of what you are doing. (even still I would fly the same way).
TLDR: get implants (+3 or +4), stay in highsec and get easy monies until you have the skills to fly in lowsec/nullsec effectively, stay cheap, have fun.
Welcome to EvE! May your exploration be fruitful! |
Tallas Shouna
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:47:00 -
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Thank you. I have cybernetics I, when the implants were mentioned I went and looked. As soon as I get home I'll train to 3 that way it will speed up.
When you say covert ops, you mean the tech 2? I am Amaar so it's the Anathema if I remember. Is that what you meant by covert ops? Sorry still learning the language.
That is what I was training my frigate skill up to V. I like the Magnate and since it is my racial, I thought I should just train to the Tech II.
It took me 2 1/2 hours to learn how to use the probes and the map. I like to spend my time messing with all the features so I understand how it works. My first site I got a tech II blueprint. So I thought it was worth all the time. Lol. Not the isk per hour ratio I have read about.
I have also been training my drone skills since the ship's can hold them. I don't like how the Anathema doeant have them though. |
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:16:00 -
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Tallas Shouna wrote:Thank you. I have cybernetics I, when the implants were mentioned I went and looked. As soon as I get home I'll train to 3 that way it will speed up.
When you say covert ops, you mean the tech 2? I am Amaar so it's the Anathema if I remember. Is that what you meant by covert ops? Sorry still learning the language.
That is what I was training my frigate skill up to V. I like the Magnate and since it is my racial, I thought I should just train to the Tech II.
It took me 2 1/2 hours to learn how to use the probes and the map. I like to spend my time messing with all the features so I understand how it works. My first site I got a tech II blueprint. So I thought it was worth all the time. Lol. Not the isk per hour ratio I have read about.
I have also been training my drone skills since the ship's can hold them. I don't like how the Anathema doeant have them though.
The drones will not be able to do much is you ever do need to use them. And yes the Anathema the extra bonus to hacking and probes along with covert ops cloak is well worth it.
Isk/hr will come when you have the hang of things and can do things without wasting time also requires a little luck. |
Tallas Shouna
Miners League of Exploration Coalition
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:54:00 -
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I want to say again thanks for the advice. I have been exploring now and have ventured into low sec and null sec. My skills we sufficient to jack a data and relic site. I am getting my Ass handed to me in the combat areas but that is kind of expected being how I am set for speed. I did finish one though and got a 36mil payout.
I am working on the electronics upgrade V to get the covert ops. I have taken notes on all you have said and look at them regularly to guide me on my path to exploration greatness. Thanks again for the knowledge and time. |
Tethys Luxor
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:59:00 -
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A little late but...
-High Sec exploration: You've probably noticed that it was useless outside training
-Low Sec exploration: T1 exploration frig is enough. Cloaking is almost mandatory and is quite cheap training. Having racial frig V is a good investment due to the scanning bonus and the requirement for covops.
-Null Sec exploration: Covops is strongly advised.I have flown Cheetahs for months but i switched to the very superior Helios. I would say that Helios > Buzzard. Anathema is a different call. Its only 3 mids are less an obstacle after Crius and the 4 low slot are enjoyable if you want to fit 4 warp core stabs (but they have a big penalty).
I have astrometrics IV, rangefining III, pinpointing II. It's enough to probe easily any PVE signatures. Sisters probe helps, but I wouldn't use sisters launcher because it's simply too expensive.
Having T2 analysers makes a huge difference. As relic site are far superior to data sites, i would surely train archeology V. Hacking V is more a close call.
my 2 ISK |
Shobon Blueshooter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 04:23:00 -
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Tethys Luxor wrote:A little late but...
-High Sec exploration: You've probably noticed that it was useless outside training
-Low Sec exploration: T1 exploration frig is enough. Cloaking is almost mandatory and is quite cheap training. Having racial frig V is a good investment due to the scanning bonus and the requirement for covops.
-Null Sec exploration: Covops is strongly advised.I have flown Cheetahs for months but i switched to the very superior Helios. I would say that Helios > Buzzard. Anathema is a different call. Its only 3 mids are less an obstacle after Crius and the 4 low slot are enjoyable if you want to fit 4 warp core stabs (but they have a big penalty).
I have astrometrics IV, rangefining III, pinpointing II. It's enough to probe easily any PVE signatures. Sisters probe helps, but I wouldn't use sisters launcher because it's simply too expensive.
Having T2 analysers makes a huge difference. As relic site are far superior to data sites, i would surely train archeology V. Hacking V is more a close call.
my 2 ISK
This guy gives solid advice. I will add that exploration should be the way for you to get money to afford to go fly ships in PvP. Additionally, the exploration frigate you use is entirely up to taste. Don't feel like you should be locked into just one race of ship just because that's how you started out.
I have IVs in the relevant probing skills and have no trouble scanning down even the most difficult Nullsec exploration sites, so that's all you need, and he's right about T2 Analyzers. Having a set of T2 hacking tools makes the most difficult scanning cans a near-brainless win, which is good when there's 30m worth of gear in it.
Speaking of which, do Data sites. They used to be pretty worthless, but with the Crius changes more people are getting into invention, so Decryptors and Datacores are much more valuable than they were a week ago. |
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