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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:12:00 -
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I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3356
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:17:00 -
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Hi, I used to live in nullsec until I realised it was populated by guys like you, people who want easy ISK from PvE. Shortly after that I decided I didn't need the help of alliances to do pretty much whatever I want in the game. SOV is meaningless, use whatever space you want and most people just dock up in fear (which makes getting kills easy).
Hope this information can be useful to you. Oh god. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1249
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:21:00 -
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Come to lowsec, at least until they fix null. It is magnificent. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:34:00 -
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Sounds like highsec l4s are for you. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Nemah Xadi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:51:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
Yeah guys Eve is supposed to be about love and caring about eachother. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2305
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:55:00 -
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If you don't find it fun leave it and do something else somewhere else. I for example find null logistics very annoying so I don't live there. Some people like scheduled shopping and asking for hauling this or that while I like to have a freedom to buy whatever I want or need on moment's notice.
And to be honest you can enjoy riches of null without living there, CCP gave us wormholes - use them. It's not so hard to probe yourself nice chain to empty null, sure random is random but it's what makes day tripping exciting and you can be one of those who scare everybody away and disrupt their activities so win-win :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
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Posted - 2014.07.26 10:14:00 -
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There are no mechanics in null that will save you. That means you have to do things properly. Which involves bureaucracy. Halfhearted attemps will simply mean getting infiltrated, spied upon and eventually murdered by a group that did go all the way.
The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. The stage just before becoming a true vet. Every player has to go through it on their road to "hardcore EVE player". Once passed, people KNOW there's no such thing as the "right' way in a sandbox. Given enough time, everybody that sticks around will get it. Enjoyment is just an opinion/feeling. You can help yourself by not caring about all the wannabe elitists. You do your thing, they do their thing. They feel your way is "wrong"? Does it really matter? Are you the one playing another man's game at that moment?
So here's the real question; Do you enjoy PVE-ing in nullsec and manage to chip in on the pvp part enough to be usefull?
If the stuff you mentioned causes the answer to be "no" ; get out. Check WH's as suggested or maybe lvl4's in h-sec? If the stuff you mentioned doesnt really matter that much and the answer despite it all is still "yes" ; stay and do whatever you want. |
Arcelian
Metentis
79
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Posted - 2014.07.26 10:21:00 -
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It really depends on the corporation/alliance you are with. Some are better than others.
After spending a few years in null, there was good times and bad. Main thing keeping me away at the moment is nulls current state, it's just not to my liking. My old corp joined in the CFC, because if you aren't part of a major coalition, you are absolutely screwed, it's only a matter of time before someone comes and kicks you out.....which they did.
I'd agree, null sucks at the moment, and I don't blame the players. |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
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Posted - 2014.07.26 10:51:00 -
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If you're not enjoying it, you already have your answer.
You're saying that you feel disrespected, bored and preyed upon with no meaningful kills to make up for it. I imagine that you would not deal with that kind of treatment in real life, why would your in-game life be any different?
Whenever I play any game that has an element of role-play in it, I am my normal/true self with the added twist of the world/universe being magical/futuristic.
So my advice is follow your feelings and you will eventually find what makes you happy, even if that means ending the subscription.
Try Low-Sec. Try a different type of game style. Give yourself the goal of doing something combative or meaningful that impacts other people in the game. Once you get people you don't know to recognize you, the game becomes completely different. It's no longer about the ISK/hour like your 100 million relic sites, but more about how much your enjoying playing, talking, killing, and competing against other players. |
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2014.07.26 11:03:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote: The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. The stage just before becoming a true vet. Every player has to go through it on their road to "hardcore EVE player". Once passed, people KNOW there's no such thing as the "right' way in a sandbox.
it has nothing to do with being a vet in this game, it has been an issue in the game for as long as I can remember. pvp'rs look down on pve players or those that chose to do industry of which the main term for them at the time was carebears and a few other names that I wont care to mention.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.26 11:07:00 -
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I think you should give up on giving up on things.
What I mean is that it sounds a lot like you're doing something for its own sake rather than to further a goal of yours. You're in null collecting ISK because GÇ£yay, null ISKGÇ¥, but what is it actually for?
If you can figure out a goal for yourself, it no longer becomes a matter of GÇ£giving upGÇ¥ on things (unless you find that your goal is wholly unreachable or just plain old boring) but of sorting the chaff from the wheat and discarding the stuff that does not serve your purpose. Maybe grinding ISK in null is part of the wheat, or maybe it's just chaff GÇö either way, you need to find out and act accordingly, but without a goal to work towards, how are you to determine which is which?
As an added bonus, if you can figure out that goal, both the GÇ£wheatGÇ¥ (and even the sorting itself) can suddenly stop being quite as boring because now you see the meaning of it GÇö what it leads up to and how it will help you. That little kick of motivation is often all it takes to transform a chore into something (reasonably) enjoyable. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
680
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Posted - 2014.07.26 11:17:00 -
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Gave up on null years ago, best decision I've made in this game, Ever. Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:17:00 -
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I heard nullsec is a scary place where there are goons on every grid within the entire system and that they have bubbles on every celestial, gates and safe spots and have an AoE DD style weapon with a 80 AU range.
That's what the guys in NPC corp chat told me when I asked about nullsec as a newbie all thing months ago. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:20:00 -
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You already know the answer. Leave null and be free. Play your sandbox and not the sandbox of others. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:39:00 -
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It sounds like you arent having fun in null from the tone of your post, and you pretty much answered your own question. There is plenty of space and plenty of things to do so if you arent having fun in null, go somewhere else where you are going to have fun. Nobody says that if you stage out of a specific security area that you cant daytrip into hi/low/null/wh space as you please. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:43:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
Well pretty much any worthwhile corp is going to at least want an API and will expect you to join their community. It sounds like what you're expecting is a group of people who will just let you use their space how and when you like and not contribute anything yourself. Have you considered thinking about why they would want you to be a member? Few nullsec groups are eager to recruit leeches.
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:45:00 -
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Nullsec is a renting simulator.
If you like being a tenant - stay. If you don't like to do that - leave.
Binary choice, really. |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
15
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:48:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote: The looking down on non-pvp-ers is not a nullsec issue. It is the bittervet syndrom. .
It's not even a bitter-vet syndrome.
It's because PvE (only) and (PvP only/mainly) don't mix very well. PvE players want to do their own thing, PvP players want to get PvE players PvPing.
Saga of Ryzom (now just called Ryzom) released in Sept 2004 had just a PvE community as the PvP element that was supposed to be in-game wasn't ready. It had a really good community back then, but it turned bad after the PvP element was added at a later date. Still had some good elements but as a community as a whole it wasn't so good. That's what happens when you introduce PvP into a PvE game (as it was released 'Saga of Ryzom').
Now EVE is a PvP game that has a PvE element and hence a PvE community. Parts of the community are great but the community will never be great as a whole because the two sides don't mix very well. |
Airdorn
Nobody Loves Us
19
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Posted - 2014.07.26 12:52:00 -
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Just quit and be your own boss.
I quit Snigg / PL 3 years ago and I've been solo ever since. Best thing I ever did.
There's always something new to do.
1. Ninja salvage player battlefield T2 wrecks, loot (fly to big blobs on map)
2. Explore w-space in a good ship like a Stratios and kill C1 - C3 sleepers
3. Kill low-sec belt pirates for the possible Mordu's BPC drop, valuable mining upgrade drop, clone soldier tags, etc. Low-sec has gotten much much better lately.
4. Do some occasional solo pirating
5. Drop siphons on random people's dyspro moon and count your MONEY"S
6, Run ghost sites for great MONEY"S
And on and on.
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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:00:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:
Well pretty much any worthwhile corp is going to at least want an API and will expect you to join their community. It sounds like what you're expecting is a group of people who will just let you use their space how and when you like and not contribute anything yourself. Have you considered thinking about why they would want you to be a member? Few nullsec groups are eager to recruit leeches.
I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
300
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:10:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:Now EVE is a PvP game
I disagree. I dont think EVE is a PvP game. Well... for me it is. And maybe for you as well. But that doenst make it a PvP game. A single dude being happy with farming lvl4's all day long means its no longer a PvP game. Cos there's atleast 1 dude PvE-ing.
EVE is a game with a large number of PvP options. Including some that allow interaction with PvE mechanics. The reason some look down on others (for whatever reason) is a problem off the whiner. An inability rather. Not the dude doing whatever he wants to do with his time.
That all being said; you may be right about it not being a bittervet thing. They appear to me to be most afflicted by this inability to play your own EVE instead of some version made up by others.
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Arcelian
Metentis
82
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:13:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:Pheusia wrote:
Well pretty much any worthwhile corp is going to at least want an API and will expect you to join their community. It sounds like what you're expecting is a group of people who will just let you use their space how and when you like and not contribute anything yourself. Have you considered thinking about why they would want you to be a member? Few nullsec groups are eager to recruit leeches.
I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp. What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP. That's what I dislike about null
Well, first you have your alliance forum password, then the coalition forum username/password, also alliance pidgin username/password, and then the coalition username/password, team speak alliance address/PW, coalition teamspeak alliance/PW.....Oh, mumble too, because not everyone uses teamspeak.
And I think there were more, I remember having a word document to keep track of it all.
Oh yeah, I miss that a LOT. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2308
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:15:00 -
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So find corp where you don't have to register anywhere to access their stuff. I don't know what you expect from this thread, that somebody will came here and make an exception from their procedures just for you or sth?
It is a frakking game not a RL, just make a decision and all you can lose is pixels. I have no idea why people insist so much on making their playtime so horrible and not enjoyable. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3360
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:17:00 -
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I think he just wants friends to play with. Oh god. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
483
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:45:00 -
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The first ting to be clear on is what do you want out of the game, do you have any objectives that will keep you interested, then play as you want regardless of the views of others.
I have the following objectives:
- To be difficult to kill (acheived) - To frustrate and kill gankbears (largely acheived, last one was more of a loss on my part, oh well...) - To be able to and to actually fly every sub-cap in the game (almost there) - To Use a dread and survive at least once (have the dread, no suitable target...) - To get on a Titan kill - To build up a fleet of ships fully fitted ready to use as needed (Completed)
ISK for me is a means to an end, so I operate to get ISK to meet those goals, cufrrently I am doing level 4's in hisec and will pop to NPC 0.0 when I feel like it to force some campers to waste electricity on 10 characters to camp my two, actually thats Eve in a nitshell, playing eve is best done when playing another game, its what all the bittervets do, I happen to play Eve on my old computer and play just when I feel like it or if there is a clear system, most of the time I am on my super new gaming PC playing something else, after all you might as well do what the bittervets do...
I see no fun in being ordered around and told I must be there when my wife's sleep patterns come first to me, I do not want to work in Eve to pay a rent to enable people to lord it over me.
Which is why I operate in NPC 0.0 and hisec and have the ability to go to various different locations as needed. So play your own gameat times it can be frustrating as the cards are stcked up against you but ion the main its a blast, one thing I seriously recomend is get in a T3 and use a wh to get into deep null and just do what you want. Ella's Snack bar |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:20:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you. This is the exact reason I will never strive to become a major entity in this game. I'm trustworthy so far as the game goes, if i were given access to anything I'd leave it be unless i planned to give it back. Everyone is an expert and refuses to accept things can be done multiple ways, because theirs is best. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1002
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:41:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
556
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:47:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
The experience in null varies greatly depending on who you play with. If you feel that you don't like what the current group of players around you are doing and can't identify yourself with their gameplay, try finding a group of players who are looking for similar things you are after. I had a great experience in null because I was lucky to find a group of players who are playing the game the same way I wanted to play it. It didn't mattered whether we were winning or losing, the fun was there either way. o.0 |
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:54:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships.
ok check to make sure your flying with a valid fleet commander, write down his name, find his SRP ID (which is not written down anywhere). Make sure you were flying a doctrine ship. Find out there is another authentication thing you have to do, get authenticated. Send off application. Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.
Never matter anyway as I never lost anything larger than a destroyer (at least on a alliance fleet), lost some stuff to importune anti-raiding action with isn't covered by SRP |
Felicity Love
Icendus Corux
2058
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:56:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
Embrace the spirit of "SERENITY" my friend... set yourself free... leave the renter "Slavelands" while you can.
The truth is out there, and it's simply this: IT's YOU who's being farmed, and your renter slumlord is laughing all the way to Jita about how many fools are actually being suckered.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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