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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3882
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:21:00 -
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So just curious but I stumbled across the following link which comes from this thread link
Now is this harassment? In this instance, the target clearly gets irate and upset, and the aggressor continues to torment them, so I see no difference between this and a particular other instance of "harassment", as the player doing this has specifically hunted them down knowing they are already upset with the intent of generating tears.
So is this harassment too, or is this the OK way to torment someone beyond their breaking point and chase them out of the game? Normally I'd just say "use a procurer" and move on, but this stands out as being the type of behaviour that supposedly CCP is now against. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
554
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:23:00 -
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Why don't you submit a petition and see if it is or is not? o.0 |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
15
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:25:00 -
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I'd call it harassment, but some PvPers would call it RP. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3882
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:26:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Why don't you submit a petition and see if it is or is not? Not my place to. Unlike certain ex-CSMs, I understand that it's the victim of the harassment who should decide if they feel it's petition worthy, as I might start a massive hate campaign against the aggressor only for the victim to ask me to stop. Then I'd have to go ahead and ignore the victim entirely since it will be my hate campaign, not about their suffering by that point.
See how confusing that would get? What kind of asshat would ignore the wants of the victim like that? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10893
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:29:00 -
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jester goblin stopped blogging so unless some other hack decides to champion this poor victim of torture i doubt anybody will care Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23372
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:31:00 -
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It's a lot of unnecessary abuse, that's for sure. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
48
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:32:00 -
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Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game... Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10893
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:33:00 -
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Domina Trix wrote:Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game...
what, raging entitled carebears? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
629
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:39:00 -
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As amusing as it is to see how much of a target they painted on themselves, I've got to admit that you know you're bad at Eve if you've got to use the forums to find targets... Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
49
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Domina Trix wrote:Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game... what, raging entitled carebears?
No, thankfully you don't count.
Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
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Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
236
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:45:00 -
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I copied a Borderlands 2 quote the other day and got reported for harassment. They must receive a lot of silly complaints from people who are unable or unwilling to use the block function. Do you have it? |
Arcelian
Metentis
85
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:49:00 -
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If that was harassment, all of CODE would be banned. |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
49
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:50:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:If that was harassment, all of CODE would be banned.
It is not harrassment it is "player content" and "emergent gameplay"
Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3363
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:54:00 -
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You're not allowed to use the EULA as a bargaining chip, all offenses should be immediately reported. Oh god. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3223
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:55:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So just curious but I stumbled across the following link which comes from this threadNow is this harassment? In this instance, the target clearly gets irate and upset, and the aggressor continues to torment them, so I see no difference between this and a particular other instance of "harassment", as the player doing this has specifically hunted them down knowing they are already upset with the intent of generating tears. So is this harassment too, or is this the OK way to torment someone beyond their breaking point and chase them out of the game? Normally I'd just say "use a procurer" and move on, but this stands out as being the type of behaviour that supposedly CCP is now against. SO YOU MEAN IF I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE YOU ARE ATTACKING ONE OF MY CORPMATES I HAVE GROUNDS FOR A HARASSMENT CASE OMGOMGOMG!!!!!! "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3882
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:55:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:If that was harassment, all of CODE would be banned. I dunno, normally the code guys are hitting targets of opportunity, though often they do take it "too far" by the new definition. This is a bit further than that though, since the aggressor specifically targeted someone they knew was already upset with the intention of upsetting them further. The only intention was to wind this player up, and it wouldn't surprise me if they stop playing following this. So net gain: 0, net loss: 1 sub. Worth it, totally worth it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2308
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It's a lot of unnecessary abuse, that's for sure.
Faylee Freir should totally report that guy for this. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3882
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:SO YOU MEAN IF I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE YOU ARE ATTACKING ONE OF MY CORPMATES I HAVE GROUNDS FOR A HARRASMENT CASE OMGOMGOMG!!!!!! lol, it's got nothing to do with the caps and you know it. It's the intent of the aggressor. The intent was clear, to generate more tears from an already upset player.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3224
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:01:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Arcelian wrote:If that was harassment, all of CODE would be banned. I dunno, normally the code guys are hitting targets of opportunity, though often they do take it "too far" by the new definition. This is a bit further than that though, since the aggressor specifically targeted someone they knew was already upset with the intention of upsetting them further. The only intention was to wind this player up, and it wouldn't surprise me if they stop playing following this. So net gain: 0, net loss: 1 sub. Worth it, totally worth it. you know what we do lucas, she was calling for nerfs over a baisc engagement on the forums, we are free to do something about it if we feel like it.
Had the lot of us stalked her for say a week following and violanced anything she undocked in you might have a point but this is nothing.
now id recommend you leave it unless you want the next few whiny threads to be your responsibility.
Lucas Kell wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:SO YOU MEAN IF I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE YOU ARE ATTACKING ONE OF MY CORPMATES I HAVE GROUNDS FOR A HARRASMENT CASE OMGOMGOMG!!!!!! lol, it's got nothing to do with the caps and you know it. It's the intent of the aggressor. The intent was clear, to generate more tears from an already upset player. That's exactly what this is over and you know it "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3364
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:06:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:lol, it's got nothing to do with the caps and you know it. It's the intent of the aggressor. The intent was clear, to generate more tears from an already upset player. So this is about morals? Please keep your social justice bullshit out of the game, I enjoy being a ****. In fact, I don't even agree with the ToS rules about racism and homophobia etc. While I understand their importance, I also feel they limit the potential of the game. i.e stop holding people's hands and let the players serve their own justice to people they hate.
Rules about RL harassment should remain, ofc. Oh god. |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3364
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:07:00 -
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Ugh, let me reword that. What I mean is, if players disagree with racism and homophobia, they should use in-game tools to oppose it, rather than relying on CCP to govern it. Oh god. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3884
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:10:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you know what we do lucas, she was calling for nerfs over a baisc engagement on the forums, we are free to do something about it if we feel like it.
Had the lot of us stalked her for say a week following and violanced anything she undocked in you might have a point but this is nothing.
now id recommend you leave it unless you want the next few whiny threads to be your responsibility. Yeah, I know what you do, and that's fine. You want to go blow people up, that's the game. This is different though, since you (or the aggressor) specifically targetted this person because they were already upset with the intent of making them more upset. According to CCP that is not allowed. If someone is getting upset you have an obligation to stop before crossing the line. In this case that didn't happen, they were already at their breaking point and you jump in and harass them to push them as far over the edge as you can get them.
And go ahead, tell me about how you are going to dedicate killing to me like you guys seem to be doing lately. I'm not going to be pressured into not having an opinion because you are going to threaten some random noobs. So put the bunny back in the box, or rip it's head off. Either way it's irrelevant to me.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:That's exactly what this is over and you know it You got it, this is all about irrational hatred of caps.
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Arcelian
Metentis
85
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:11:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Arcelian wrote:If that was harassment, all of CODE would be banned. I dunno, normally the code guys are hitting targets of opportunity, though often they do take it "too far" by the new definition. This is a bit further than that though, since the aggressor specifically targeted someone they knew was already upset with the intention of upsetting them further. The only intention was to wind this player up, and it wouldn't surprise me if they stop playing following this. So net gain: 0, net loss: 1 sub. Worth it, totally worth it.
You are assuming code gives a flying f*ck about eve or the player base. They are in it for the isk, they are in it for the lulz. And it's so sad to see all the sheep either join them, or give in to them. |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
630
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:11:00 -
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Just keep in mind that with some of the ridiculously overzealous internet bullying legislation being passed in some places in the U.S. behavior like this could result in CCP having no choice but to ban you if the player takes it seriously.
Carebearing has more support from reality than anything we can BS around.
Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4188
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:13:00 -
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Hmz, might want to contact "Mr blanked-out" how he has a batphone to lead GM, could be a nice fast way for my petitions to be handled Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3884
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:16:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:So this is about morals? Please keep your social justice bullshit out of the game, I enjoy being a ****. In fact, I don't even agree with the ToS rules about racism and homophobia etc. While I understand their importance, I also feel they limit the potential of the game. i.e stop holding people's hands and let the players serve their own justice to people they hate.
Rules about RL harassment should remain, ofc. lol, it's not about being a social justice warrior. CCPs rules stated that if a player is clearly upset you have an obligation to stop, not push them further. It's not about social justice, it's about making sure that the game which is built for entertainment remains entertaining, and that people aren't pushed out of the game because some antisocial basement dweller feels a power surge when making people upset on the internet.
Now I, like you, would prefer it if the games rules were far more relaxed, and that if people got upset, they should HTFU, but from a business perspective, that simply doesn't work. What you end up with is a game dominated by trolls pushing away the majority of gamers leading to a stagnant population. CCP have made it clear that they won't tolerate harassment that crosses the line (which is arbitrarily drawn by them), and from what I've seen before, this is across that line. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3884
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:21:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:If CODE ganks you, and you give them tears, they are going to come back. It's entertainment. Is that harassment? If they know the target is already clearly upset and their intent is to upset them further, then yes, according to CCPs rules that's not allowed. Most CODE players though don't target a specific person like that, they fly around targeting anyone in their area.
Arcelian wrote:You are also assuming code gives a flying f*ck about eve or the player base. They are in it for the isk, they are in it for the lulz. And it's so sad to see all the sheep either join them, or give in to them. I'm not assuming anything. CODE was originally founded on principles of preventing "bot aspirant behaviour" from multiboxers, and to stop mining in high sec beign a 100% safe activity. As it's progressed there certainly are many trolls that have simply joined as an excuse to gank (like an excuse is needed ). I'd be very surprised if people that put as much time into this game as they do don't give "a flying f*ck about eve". The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1025
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Domina Trix wrote:Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game... what, raging entitled carebears? Are we talking about Goonswarm? Or are you unaware of history? This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4066
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:22:00 -
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This is where it goes too far
Quote:You are scum in the eyes of the Lord.
I think this could have been phrased differently, to make it clear that it's an in-game role-play occurring and not RL judgment.
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Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
41
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:26:00 -
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I suppose we all can agree that it was the miner that was being abusive, right? |
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