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Dark Hominy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:10:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Dark Hominy wrote: -snipped to prevent wall of text. DH- None of that was harassment.
But, a ton of harassment is included in this situation and many others. Members of CODE and their supporters spewing abuse on the official CCP forums. GD isn't RP. Go to the RP forums. GD doesn't have to hugs and roses. But, help a fellow player out. Explain ways to avoid the gank. Not that mining permit crap either. Saying stuff like that with the "official authority" that it tends to be stated with seems like you are saying CCP is the one selling it. New players don't know any better.
Go to miner bumping and read their "funny stories". Many of which include admitting that they sent unsolicited emails trying to get tears or rage behavior. None of which would have happened if not for those emails.
That is harassment.
I'm not fully in the CODE/minerbumping loop, but the initial gank was done by Ethereal Dawn, who have been operating in adjacent lowsec to that area for months. The subsequent delicious orca kill was done by one of my own corpmates. As far as I'm aware we have no affiliation with CODE. Soooo. From what I can tell this has NOTHING to do with CODE. (for once). I believe you are looking for the thread three doors down on the left.
Faylee may have pushed the line with the RP comments resulting in the target to reply with a potential "I quit" comment. That isn't good for anybody. I don't take issue with the gank or kill. And I should have stated, this is not harassment. But, that other thread had many replies from people who are in CODE or constantly have their noses firmly in the groove when CODE swarms a thread. A lot of what was said is out of line considering the targets probable youth in terms of play time.
That being said, I apologize if you thought I was putting your corp in the same category as CODE, et al.
Rage quiting from a gank is unfortunate but does not involve harassment. Being email bombed with requests for tears no matter how religiously worded, and a lot of the abusive things said on this forum, after the gank can be construed as harassment. Especially if it results in loss of subs and thus income for CCP. Think of CCP income as potential improvements in this awesome game. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4103
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:15:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ero is gone, gone, gone, just let it go and move on. NEVER! I wasn't originally a fan of E1, but then CCP martyred him. Now he's my hero. Harassing players like the one I mentioned in the OP though, they should definitely be banned. Lucas, I think you showed your fox tail too early. I suggest an intense summer of study under UaE's tutelage to absorb the skills you need for mastery of troll fu.
This thread could have hit a 100 pages. You were laying the foundation for an intense GD HTFU tournament. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3239
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:27:00 -
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Ok, having been away for a bit after twigging the troll (embarrassingly far in, somewhere around my last HTFU) I'll give a 7/10.
I'd rate higher but the reason I got sucked in was the vested interest (and lusting for PvP but unable to login because watching the kids). Good trolling, you got me. Now to upset some bears... "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
188
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Domina Trix wrote:Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game... what, raging entitled carebears?
the op should join cfc, both have a lot in common. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19834
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:01:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:Andski wrote:Domina Trix wrote:Just remember folks, this is what the new Producer wants us to promote to keep new players in the game... what, raging entitled carebears? the op should join cfc, both have a lot in common. IIRC SMA are part of the CFC, so you're too late
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8190
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:08:00 -
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Barton Breau wrote: Then go play them, npcs dont mind to be insulter or harrassed and companies dont depend on npc revenue (maybe "yet").
I counter with: you lot should go play single player games, since any type of player interaction makes you howl and scream like little girls.
NPCs won't try to violence your ship.
Or, here is another suggestion. If you want to stop being treated like NPCs (as in, disposable content or destructible terrain), stop acting like them. Actually play the game, instead of chewing on asteroids all day like a bot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Iain Cariaba
Veritas Theory
168
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:19:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Not much weight in most countries, hower, point taken, this thread is about harrassment, the key points to observe here are not theft, or destruction, but spcifically the mention of forums as the reason for the attack and the continuing of roleplay despite seeing it makes the player only more irrate. Thereupon lies the rub if you will. EVE is pretty unique in that it's meta game (including the forums) actively influences events that happen within the game itself, and has for many years. People spew nonsense on the forums, then someone comes and murders them in game for said nonsense.... it's just another part of the cycle of life in New Eden. To cry out against this is to try to forcibly separate the meta from the game itself, and if folks were to succeed in this it would have some pretty dire consequences, including a breakdown of accountability for one's own publicly spewed shittastic ideas. Some ideas are so bad that they merit a savage beating in response, in truth. To take steps to prevent the playerbase itself from correcting it's own errant members in this manner would seriously undermine the spirit of the game. We already have far too many anonymous forum alts coming on with their pants on their heads spewing nonsense as it is. Just the other day I made a smartassed comment on someone's thread. In response to comment, they kindly dropped a 100k isk bounty on me. Did I rage on forums, decry the unfairness of them taking supposed out of game comments in game? Nope, I took it as a compliment that my comment was able to get under their skin just that little bit.
This is the meta.
If OP wants to advocate banning a player for hunting down another player over their idiotic forum post, because "abuse" then why is he not also up in arms over the multitude of bears who blatantly violate the eula with swearing, telling people to go kill themselves IRL, and all the other abuse they feel entitled to dish out? Where's the thread to get all of them banned? Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6287
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I counter with: you lot should go play single player games, since any type of player interaction makes you howl and scream like little girls.
NPCs won't try to violence your ship. Wait, are you sure about that.... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8190
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I counter with: you lot should go play single player games, since any type of player interaction makes you howl and scream like little girls.
NPCs won't try to violence your ship. Wait, are you sure about that....
I was talking about mining. The belt rats are barely worthy of being around at all anymore (since they buffed barges, but not the rats, some of the barges can perma tank them), their existence is only justified in lowsec where they can spawn sec status tags and such. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Dave Stark
6698
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I counter with: you lot should go play single player games, since any type of player interaction makes you howl and scream like little girls.
NPCs won't try to violence your ship. Wait, are you sure about that.... I was talking about mining. The belt rats are barely worthy of being around at all anymore (since they buffed barges, but not the rats, some of the barges can perma tank them), their existence is only justified in lowsec where they can spawn sec status tags and such.
pretty sure everything bigger than the venture can perma tank high sec belt rats, not that they need to with some drones set to aggressive. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10813
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sibyyl wrote:This is where it goes too far Quote:You are scum in the eyes of the Lord. I think this could have been phrased differently, to make it clear that it's an in-game role-play occurring and not RL judgment. Meh. If anything, that's the line that makes it clear that it's in-game role-play on his part. vOv You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1984
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:47:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Maekchu wrote:I don't quite think we have the same exact scenario, as in the Erotica 1.
The ganker just writes some random RP lines. We can hardly call this harassment. And if it does, then we should be equally feel harass for being called a "******" and a "crazy psycho".
This case, is just so weak and I don't see why we are talking about it. :D I think we may have our lines crossed here. The harassment isn't the aggressor talking about "the lord", it's that he saw that a guy was very upset about being ganked then specifically hunted him down to make him more upset. Supposedly what Erotica 1 did to get banned was upsetting a player who was already upset. According to CCP you are not allowed to purposely upset a player who you already know is upset as that is harassment.
People that can't separate fantasy from reality need to be banned from the game as a service to protect their mental health and quite possibly the physical health of others. It seems without fail that the so called "victim" always wants something violent done to the other, who's simply roleplaying a bad guy. These people need a good shrink not encouragement to ruin our favorite game. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8192
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right?
It doesn't have to be. The rules allow you to blow up someone's Orca whether they get mad about it or not.
Feelings do not matter. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10813
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right?
It doesn't have to be. The rules allow you to blow up someone's Orca whether they get mad about it or not. Feelings do not matter. That's not what I was talking about. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8192
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right?
It doesn't have to be. The rules allow you to blow up someone's Orca whether they get mad about it or not. Feelings do not matter. That's not what I was talking about.
Then by all means, share your thoughts. Because in this whole thread so far, I have yet to actually see a genuine example of "griefing". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19835
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right?
It doesn't have to be. The rules allow you to blow up someone's Orca whether they get mad about it or not. Feelings do not matter. That's not what I was talking about. Then by all means, share your thoughts. Because in this whole thread so far, I have yet to actually see a genuine example of "griefing". Plenty of shiptoasting* though
*The other form of this now appears to be taboo (again), despite being in common use and not being in the swear filter.
Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. Then they migrate into your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10814
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: You do realize the TOS says that roleplaying isn't an excuse, right?
It doesn't have to be. The rules allow you to blow up someone's Orca whether they get mad about it or not. Feelings do not matter. That's not what I was talking about. Then by all means, share your thoughts. Because in this whole thread so far, I have yet to actually see a genuine example of "griefing". Regardless, roleplaying is not an excuse to break the rules. The implication in the text I quoted was that the roleplay makes the content of the message okay, even if otherwise it wouldn't be. I was addressing that. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3663
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:21:00 -
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calling someone 'scum' is pretty mild. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3663
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:21:00 -
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as in well within the bounds of roleplay. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10814
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:31:00 -
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It doesn't matter if it's roleplay or not. If it's fine (and it is) it's because it's fine to call someone scum. It's not because it was done in roleplay.
Literally all I'm saying is that whether something is acceptable or not doesn't change because of roleplay. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4126
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:46:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:calling someone 'scum' is pretty mild. Absolutely.
Calling them scum in the eyes of a term used very clearly as the supreme being in a faith that likely many EVE players belong to? I think it's inappropriate to co-opt the religious language. It's obvious that the role-play is a cheap adaptation.
If one is going to pretend to be within the spirit of the TOS, let's not start spouting what looks like religious dogma.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if 'Allah' was used over and over in the chat. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2716
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:59:00 -
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IINB4 Brave Newbies petitions CFC for sending 10 fleets a day to V-3 as harassment.
God up in heaven all mighty Jeebus. May the Lord, or James 315, or maybe just whichever deity is free to cast his gaze upon an Internet spaceship video game to right the wrongs visited upon the penitent carebears of hisec. Praise be upon his or her head.
Seriously, miner gets ganked. Then miner, in a fit of stupidity engages a suspect incursus with an Orca. Jeebus, James, the Lords (of Midnight) , and The Saint (yes Roger Moore from the 70s) want to know how that could possibly be harassment. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:02:00 -
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Why are people so incapable of smelling a troll nowadays?
Either the trolls are getting better, or you people are turning dumber.
The question isn't if this is harassment, the question is who is trying to push something here?
Because, oh boy, that OP in that linked thread is staged as ****.
But heeeeyyyyy ... keep going .................................
http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áSniping groups of small NPCs and gankers effectively. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4126
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:06:00 -
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I am also getting the feeling that the whole thing is staged, and OP has been taken for a ride with the rest of us.
However, the so-called victim being a 2007 character tells me otherwise.. seems like too much work for a spectacle.
edit: grr, phone. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Paranoid Loyd
1026
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:11:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:calling someone 'scum' is pretty mild. Absolutely. Calling them scum in the eyes of a term used very clearly as the supreme being in a faith that likely many EVE players belong to? I think it's inappropriate to co-opt the religious language. It's obvious that the role-play is a cheap adaptation. If one is going to pretend to be within the spirit of the TOS, let's not start spouting what looks like religious dogma. We wouldn't be having this conversation if 'Allah' was used over and over in the chat.
The corp name is "Lords of Midnight". So saying when he is doing the "Lord's" work it is pretty easy to argue that he was referring to his corp.
That being said I agree with your comments 100%, its just there is an unusual "but" so although Lucas was admitedly trolling he did bring up a decent debate.
Sadly that leads to the conclusion that if anything should be petitioned, it is the corp's name. But that is a slippery slope. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
404
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:17:00 -
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Trolling post removed.
Forum rule 5. Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:19:00 -
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Posting of chat logs is prohibited in General Discussion forum. Topic locked. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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