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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2426
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:37:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies.
As a philosophical point -- since "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP in all forms that may occur whilst I am in space" button, can it really be called a "gank"?
Also, use your main - it's much more fun that way
As for buffs to hisec (trying to ignore stuff that's affected all of New Eden in the same manner).
1. [Crius] - Can anchor POS anywhere* without standings. 2. [Inferno] - No more gank boomerang tactics allowed 3. [Inferno] - Mining Barge / Exhumer rebalance (note, bears whinged to high heaven about broken hulks ... tears were delicious) 4. Rookie systems now include every system with a SOE agent for their epic arc. 5. CODE(dot) and affiliates. 6. NPE fixes (although "buff to hisec" is taking this a bit far) 7. bears quitting because of (5). 8. (OK, I can only think of seven off the top of my head).
* Note that some systems (Jita,etc.) are banned from anchoring POS. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:38:00 -
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Thanks |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:39:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Sibyyl wrote:-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies. As a philosophical point -- since "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP in all forms that may occur whilst I am in space" button, can it really be called a "gank"? Also, use your main - it's much more fun that way As for buffs to hisec (trying to ignore stuff that's affected all of New Eden in the same manner). 1. [Crius] - Can anchor POS anywhere* without standings. 2. [Inferno] - No more gank boomerang tactics allowed 3. [Inferno] - Mining Barge / Exhumer rebalance (note, bears whinged to high heaven about broken hulks ... tears were delicious) 4. Rookie systems now include every system with a SOE agent for their epic arc. 5. CODE(dot) and affiliates. 6. NPE fixes (although "buff to hisec" is taking this a bit far) 7. bears quitting because of (5). 8. (OK, I can only think of seven off the top of my head). * Note that some systems (Jita,etc.) are banned from anchoring POS.
Nice Not Sure CODE fits in as a buff but it is gameplay I guess. |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:40:00 -
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Highsec has not been nerfed really. You're just highseccing all wrong.
The game mechanics in it's current state allow for extremely easy and riskless grinding of ISK. While this is possible in low/WH/null, you cannot go AFK for hours in the same manner, nor can you use overly expensive ships without severely risking your profits.
You in fact make more ISK in highsec overall than you do in other parts of space, as you are making ISK for the 2 hours your decided to watch that movie.
Now consider the army of multiboxers youve mentioned. Buffing highsec further would decimate the economy simply because of them.
So TLDR: Highsec is too risk free to be buffed.
New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2426
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:42:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Velicitia wrote:Sibyyl wrote:-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies. As a philosophical point -- since "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP in all forms that may occur whilst I am in space" button, can it really be called a "gank"? Also, use your main - it's much more fun that way As for buffs to hisec (trying to ignore stuff that's affected all of New Eden in the same manner). 1. [Crius] - Can anchor POS anywhere* without standings. 2. [Inferno] - No more gank boomerang tactics allowed 3. [Inferno] - Mining Barge / Exhumer rebalance (note, bears whinged to high heaven about broken hulks ... tears were delicious) 4. Rookie systems now include every system with a SOE agent for their epic arc. 5. CODE(dot) and affiliates. 6. NPE fixes (although "buff to hisec" is taking this a bit far) 7. bears quitting because of (5). 8. (OK, I can only think of seven off the top of my head). * Note that some systems (Jita,etc.) are banned from anchoring POS. Nice Not Sure CODE fits in as a buff but it is gameplay I guess.
They're taking out my competition (either via explosions or rage-quitting), so it's a good thing (tm). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:43:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:Highsec has not been nerfed really. You're just highseccing all wrong.
The game mechanics in it's current state allow for extremely easy and riskless grinding of ISK. While this is possible in low/WH/null, you cannot go AFK for hours in the same manner, nor can you use overly expensive ships without severely risking your profits.
You in fact make more ISK in highsec overall than you do in other parts of space, as you are making ISK for the 2 hours your decided to watch that movie.
Now consider the army of multiboxers youve mentioned. Buffing highsec further would decimate the economy simply because of them.
So TLDR: Highsec is too risk free to be buffed.
I think it has been nerfed a lot but mostly on the passive side. The active side however, from what I've been able to get out of some of the more knowledgeable bears has been buffed quite a bit.
Some of it I have to test....but I'm really bored with the game right now. Hopefully some of these new ideas breathe a little life into the game and I can get "back into it"
The multiboxers using external softwares are making a killing right now.... Its just not worth it to me to go that route. Game is fun.....not that fun though. |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:43:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Tennej wrote:Velicitia wrote:Sibyyl wrote:-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies. As a philosophical point -- since "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP in all forms that may occur whilst I am in space" button, can it really be called a "gank"? Also, use your main - it's much more fun that way As for buffs to hisec (trying to ignore stuff that's affected all of New Eden in the same manner). 1. [Crius] - Can anchor POS anywhere* without standings. 2. [Inferno] - No more gank boomerang tactics allowed 3. [Inferno] - Mining Barge / Exhumer rebalance (note, bears whinged to high heaven about broken hulks ... tears were delicious) 4. Rookie systems now include every system with a SOE agent for their epic arc. 5. CODE(dot) and affiliates. 6. NPE fixes (although "buff to hisec" is taking this a bit far) 7. bears quitting because of (5). 8. (OK, I can only think of seven off the top of my head). * Note that some systems (Jita,etc.) are banned from anchoring POS. Nice Not Sure CODE fits in as a buff but it is gameplay I guess. They're taking out my competition (either via explosions or rage-quitting), so it's a good thing (tm).
I see where you are going with it.... then ya....totally got ya |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 10:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:
Tennej, the simple fact is that you lied, got caught because you couldnt keep your false story straight and then got caught again trying to cover that up. It doesnt matter at this point what kind of info you say you want because you have exactly zero credibility left. If you really want to be taken seriously then there's really only one thing you can do and that's admit you lied and apologise to the people you've been insulting for simply pointing out that you lied, then restart the discussion from scratch while remembering its about whats actually there not simply what matches your ideas.
I encourage you to do this simply because it shows good character and a willingness to learn from mistakes.
On the other hand you can keep ignoring the obvious and loudly proclaiming victory and I'll happily sit on the sidelines eating popcorn and watching you carry on making a total fool of yourself.
Your choice
My exact feelings. But I've had this out with one of her other alts before, and it ended the same way. I just would like the person to grow up a bit, then all of us could have adult conversations about whatever topics are posted. But until that happens, the eternal narcissist will continue to spew uncoherent ramblings and then argue that they didnt.
OK This is the only ALT I Post with so as far as you having it out with my other alts..... that's a bit of a misunderstanding on your part or perhaps a complete fabrication.
You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations.
Like I told somebody else.... nothing is going to happen to me and I'll be back here making a new thread that will get the fanboi's all up in arms about something (and in the process I will learn a few more things gamewise)
Next time you call somebody a liar.... it would be best if you had proof other than just saying it for it to be true. (SS) |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:01:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:
Tennej, the simple fact is that you lied, got caught because you couldnt keep your false story straight and then got caught again trying to cover that up. It doesnt matter at this point what kind of info you say you want because you have exactly zero credibility left. If you really want to be taken seriously then there's really only one thing you can do and that's admit you lied and apologise to the people you've been insulting for simply pointing out that you lied, then restart the discussion from scratch while remembering its about whats actually there not simply what matches your ideas.
I encourage you to do this simply because it shows good character and a willingness to learn from mistakes.
On the other hand you can keep ignoring the obvious and loudly proclaiming victory and I'll happily sit on the sidelines eating popcorn and watching you carry on making a total fool of yourself.
Your choice
My exact feelings. But I've had this out with one of her other alts before, and it ended the same way. I just would like the person to grow up a bit, then all of us could have adult conversations about whatever topics are posted. But until that happens, the eternal narcissist will continue to spew uncoherent ramblings and then argue that they didnt. OK This is the only ALT I Post with so as far as you having it out with my other alts..... that's a bit of a misunderstanding on your part or perhaps a complete fabrication. Or maybe other people see your damage and call you on your dumb crap. Who cares.... You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations. Like I told somebody else.... nothing is going to happen to me and I'll be back here making a new thread that will get the fanboi's all up in arms about something (and in the process I will learn a few more things gamewise) Next time you call somebody a liar.... it would be best if you had proof other than just saying it for it to be true. (SS)
SS is Screenshot. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6537
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:17:00 -
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Tennej wrote: You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations.
Whatever you say Jack, you're the master race
*wink*
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:19:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Tennej wrote: You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations.
Whatever you say Jack, you're the master race *wink*
You are like a little energizer bunny.....just a little talking machine.
*Wink* back at ya
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
15089
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:21:00 -
[132] - Quote
Try wormholes OP.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
32
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:29:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Try wormholes OP.
Been thinking about it a lot. That might give that new life I'm really looking for in game. Way more than Null That's for sure. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
15090
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:32:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Try wormholes OP.
Been thinking about it a lot. That might give that new life I'm really looking for in game. Way more than Null That's for sure. Yeah, you'll probably like it here.
We don't get nerfs.
Or buffs.
Or really any changes at all for that matter ...
Oh yeah, there was that whole API thing though.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
66286
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:42:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Tennej wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Try wormholes OP.
Been thinking about it a lot. That might give that new life I'm really looking for in game. Way more than Null That's for sure. Yeah, you'll probably like it here. We don't get nerfs. Or buffs. Or really any changes at all for that matter ... Oh yeah, there was that whole API thing though.
Thats not true. They tend to break things in WHs and they are pretty good at it. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
130
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:11:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Not a very good troll, yeah. Discuss topic please not troll this or troll that.
On the EVE forums? Good luck with that.
I'm not one for indy, despite being in an indy corp, but I have done some mining. Once you know the location of a few ice sites, they run on a timer. It become quite easy to plan around and mine when they spawn.
Mission running won't net you much until you start running L4's in a BS.
Scanning has been buffed over all. Scanning is easier but accessing the stashes (hacking sites) is not as easy with the new mini game. The game isn't all that hard, just time consuming. The net difference to the changes is a buff.
As for the latest change, I enjoy how I get a market estimate on the minerals I would get if I reprocessed. Now I make sure to compare how much I would get to fill a current buy order with how much I would get for reprocessing. Prior to this change, unless you wanted to crunch numbers, this comparison was a shot in the dark. So a buff with that one.
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Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
216
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:14:00 -
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CCP has nerfed HS. Yes others parts got nerfed as well, but the effect has hurt HS more than null or low. CCP hasn't figured it out yet that you can't force people out to a sector of space they no interest in. The whole concept of Risk Vs Reward is the biggest lie in the game. Only thing the pays more in low and null is ratting. Mining in low sec is less profitable than High even if you could mine to your heart's content. Null sec is barely more profitable the same.
Hint CCP you need to find a way to make Null Sec and Low Sec irresistible to high sec players. You need to make it more dynamic, more profitable, and more fun. Hell change moon goo distribution every few months. Change moon goo extraction to be more like PI were individual players can cash in instead of the Alliance overlords. Throw some T3 items out, known space sleeper incursions anyone? Gas mining?
Long story short. The rewards don't match the risk for individual players in low and null. Therefore players would rather just remain in high sec. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
136
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:15:00 -
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Tennej wrote:So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.
As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.
Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.
Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.
Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....
Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.
Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.
Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.
Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.
Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.
Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.
Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.
To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.
Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.
Discuss
What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining.
They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it.
For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/ Under License: "you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes."
The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement: "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. "
CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins.
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
185
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:22:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining. They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it. For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/Under License: "you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes." The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement: "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. " CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins.
Two (2) separate installations with two (2) accounts on a single computer = two (2) licenses for the software described in EULA. Plus one (1) copy on a backup drive is allowed.
"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. "
Following combos are allowed: Accounts AAA and BBB on computer XXX with 2 installed games and a spare copy as backup. Account AAA on Computer XXX and account BBB on computer YYY and spare copy on computer ZZZ.
I think you need to re-read what you posted. |
Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
216
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:23:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Tennej wrote:So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.
As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.
Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.
Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.
Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....
Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.
Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.
Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.
Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.
Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.
Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.
Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.
To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.
Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.
Discuss What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining. They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it. For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/Under License: "you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes." The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement: "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. " CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins.
Think you have confused legit Multiboxers with multiple accounts with ISboxers with dozens. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7365
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:29:00 -
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Tennej wrote:So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.
As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.
Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.
Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.
Conclusion: Nerf
So you tried to do someting in 2014 using 2009 tactics and itr didn't work, so you think that's a nerf.
I guess you never heard of bookmarks, you know,n book mark a wreck and warp off, come back when the mission runner clears the room.
Conclusion: lazy
Quote: Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.
Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....
Conclusion: Nerf
You can't call something a nerf when CCP fixes an (at the time) 8 year old game mechanic that was meant for NEW players but that was being abused by veterans.
The result of CCP moving low end DEDs to exploration is that vets don't bother with them (they only did at 1st because they were static). NOW new players have content that can go find.
Conclusion: You're delusional
Quote: Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....
Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.
Conclusion: Nerf
You just complained about having to scan something down, now you complain becuase you DON'T have to scan something down?
Conclusion: Bi-polar
Quote: Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.
Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.
Conclusion: Nerf
lol, as suspected, any wiff of compettion is considered a nerf by high sec pilots.
Conclusion:GBTWoW
Quote: Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.
Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.
Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.
Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.
Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.
Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.
To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.
Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.
Discuss
New player? if you're new, how do you know about meta 0 modules and drone alloys?
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
136
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:35:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:Tennej wrote:So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.
As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.
Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.
Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.
Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....
Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.
Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.
Conclusion: Nerf
Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.
Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.
Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.
Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.
Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.
Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.
To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.
Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.
Discuss What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining. They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it. For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/Under License: "you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes." The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement: "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. " CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins. Think you have confused legit Multiboxers with multiple accounts with ISboxers with dozens.
Nope. Multi boxing is having more than one computer.... hence the box in boxing. Just because CCP is not inclined to shoot themeselves in the foot doesnt make it any more legit. CCP is pretty good at selective enforcement.
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
34
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:38:00 -
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Went upstairs for some coffee and all the sudden more input. Thanks for the insight guys. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
187
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:41:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Nope. Multi boxing is having more than one computer.... hence the box in boxing. Just because CCP is not inclined to shoot themeselves in the foot doesnt make it any more legit. CCP is pretty good at selective enforcement.
"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose."
Can this be made any clearer than it is? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10830
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:44:00 -
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Welllllllllllll it could. The language makes it sound like you have to install a separate copy for each account that you want to log in on concurrently. There's no reason, of course, that this should be necessary. It's also rather excessive.
Also innerspace allows input from one computer across multiple computers, so that doesn't really solve that problem that doesn't exist to begin with anyway. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7367
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:45:00 -
[146] - Quote
Adrie Atticus wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:Nope. Multi boxing is having more than one computer.... hence the box in boxing. Just because CCP is not inclined to shoot themeselves in the foot doesnt make it any more legit. CCP is pretty good at selective enforcement.
"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose." Can this be made any clearer than it is?
You can make it as clear as you want, CCP sure has over and over and over again. The people who don't like it (in this case ISBoxer, but really just anything they don't like) will always cry foul about it no matter what you (or CCP ) says on the matter.
It must be nice to have the entire world revolve around one's self like these "isboxer is illegal despite CCP telling us it's legal in CCPs game" types have it lol.
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1766
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:45:00 -
[147] - Quote
so wait, this is a stealth "zomg ISboxer!" thread?
Bravo.
Bravo.
*golf clap* [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
34
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:46:00 -
[148] - Quote
New player? if you're new, how do you know about meta 0 modules and drone alloys?
FFS here we go again.... Pretending I was a new player and did the things I used to do when I actually was.... sorry for the confusion.
Name calling and insults..... make your damn point without it otherwise I just quit reading your post even if its actually worth reading. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
187
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:48:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:so wait, this is a stealth "zomg ISboxer!" thread?
Bravo.
Bravo.
*golf clap*
Can we has a threadnaught? Last one died about 3 weeks ago and I the rash from having to explain the simplest things to idiots has gone away already.
I like the rash, it's so nicely colored and feels rough.
I call her Jenna. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1768
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:49:00 -
[150] - Quote
Adrie Atticus wrote:Grimpak wrote:so wait, this is a stealth "zomg ISboxer!" thread?
Bravo.
Bravo.
*golf clap* Can we has a threadnaught? Last one died about 3 weeks ago and I the rash from having to explain the simplest things to idiots has gone away already. I like the rash, it's so nicely colored and feels rough. I call her Jenna.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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