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HORAE Deteis
Orbitron Fighter Group
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Posted - 2014.07.28 06:35:00 -
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I have notised - almost all modules and stuff on the market is in a downward spiral most even to a 1/3 of the standard average a few months back?
What happened
Only Item actully climbing is PLEX?
You notise this if you try and sell modules gained from missions etc. most items I have inspected have a Price history graph going sharply DOWN since June 2014 ?
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Amber Lana
Solar Vista. Dead Space Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2014.07.28 07:09:00 -
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Reprocessing changes, that's why.
I think. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3988
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Posted - 2014.07.28 07:22:00 -
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Because of the market bug, I've not been able to do anything on the market this past weekend, but my wallet keeps ticking upwards.
If this is a "nosedive", bring it on! |
Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1220
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:33:00 -
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I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment and suggest that the recent market crashes were intentional, in order to cover up just how dire the reduced loot prices post-Crius are going to be.
It's an adaptation of a tactic that you'll see in the retail industry. Lets say a company that manufactures chocolate bars wants to reduce the size of one of their products, yet keep it at the same price. Obviously customers won't be too happy that their favourite chocolate bar is now smaller, but still costs just as much. So the company puts the new, smaller chocolate bar on special offer for a couple of months, and the customers, blinded by this lower price, are happy to buy it. After the special offer is discontinued and the customers have long forgotten the original price and/or size of the bar, they put the prices back up to "normal" and their goal of having a smaller chocolate bar at the same price is achieved.
What I believe CCP have done is reduce the value of loot across the board, which many players will be unhappy with, and then orchestrated a market crash to drive those prices even lower. In a week or two, when the market has recovered, the loot prices will rise again (which will make players happy) but will still be much lower than they were pre-Crius.
I will now take off my tinfoil hat and bask in the buzz of the signals. My lord. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3916
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:51:00 -
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That... is pretty tinfoily.
Realistically, the price is crashing because people are all trying to sell of their modules all of a sudden. Prior to the changes, some people would sell while others would reprocess. Now you need max scrapmetal skills to get half the reprocessing rate, so most people are now just selling. That increased supply coupled with the actual material value being cut in half will drop the module prices rapidly.
Some of those modules should actually go up in price when they do the meta rebalance, so some people flash selling them now will probably be kicking themselves later. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Falkor1984
The Love Dragons
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:23:00 -
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Was wondering that myself as well. New processing mechanics might be a factor in that indeed.
But also prices on almost all moon materials (including intermediates and end products) are down a lot as well. I know some moons were added, but that amount of moons seems insignificant compared to the ones that were already there. Especially if you consider that a lot of (old or new) moons are inprofitable to mine anyway.
Maybe this is coming from the demand side? Is Eve losing active players at a high pace, leading to less demand? Or are people pissed off with the industry changes or what? |
HeXxploiT
Spatium Industries Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:24:00 -
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Interesting I did my due diligence pre-cruis and invested tens of billions and none of the hundreds of items I invested in have been crashing. It wasn't the market glitches as those equally effect buy as well as sell orders.
Poor research and investment maybe? |
Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
13
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:32:00 -
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well t2-module margins are diving fast, thanks new industry (thats a good sign for the game, bad for newer industrialists) we deBrabant are alwys happy to bring you best quality product with lowest possible price |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3289
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:28:00 -
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Funny, the rat drop modules I trade have been soaring in price lately.
I must have picked modules where the primary demand for the module is to fit it to ships, not to reprocess it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:43:00 -
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Marketts just go up if you ask me... |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.29 02:01:00 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:Marketts just go up if you ask me...
Well... not if you decided to invest in 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates just before Crius.
Which would not have been a wise call. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3991
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Posted - 2014.07.29 04:18:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Well... not if you decided to invest in 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates just before Crius.
Which would not have been a wise call. Ouch. No, not on my list at all. T2 only.
However, if one holds onto them until the module re-balancing, might get lucky... or maybe not. |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.29 17:35:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Well... not if you decided to invest in 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates just before Crius.
Which would not have been a wise call. Ouch. No, not on my list at all. T2 only. However, if one holds onto them until the module re-balancing, might get lucky... or maybe not.
its a meta 4, the balance will hurt its competitiveness. thanks for pointing this out, im gonna buy some. as a FW guy and frequent flyer of cruisers, they are great when u cant fit the T2 b/c of PG/CPU http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:25:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Well... not if you decided to invest in 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates just before Crius.
Which would not have been a wise call. Ouch. No, not on my list at all. T2 only. However, if one holds onto them until the module re-balancing, might get lucky... or maybe not.
Even the meta 4 plates had their price driven by reprocessing value, not usefulness on ships.
They do see some use, but T2 ones are better in many (not all) situations, and the meta 4 ones are in enormous supply. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Exeodus
Nexus Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.07.30 02:16:00 -
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A friend of mine knows a person who has an uncle. This Uncle is a major T2 manufacture making perhaps .... a lot of the T2 products in circulation. He told my friend that he is trying to make the T2 market as unappealing to all the newbies trying industry out. If they want to play with the people who have been running the market for +10 years, they should expect a fight.
You did not hear this from me |
Adunh Slavy
1563
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Posted - 2014.07.30 04:37:00 -
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Exeodus wrote:You did not hear this from me
In Eve's environment of near perfect competition, how is this different from any other day? Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2014.07.30 05:47:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:
In Eve's environment of near perfect competition, how is this different from any other day?
It's Freedom Friday! ... (but still on a Tuesday) |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1269
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Posted - 2014.07.30 09:07:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:TheSmokingHertog wrote:Marketts just go up if you ask me... Well... not if you decided to invest in 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plates just before Crius. Which would not have been a wise call. One of my buy order characters slipped the net and had 1600mm and 800mm orders left up. They were cheap (pre-patch) so I only lost about 100m. Still embarrassing though just a drop in the bucket.
But everything else was considerably up. Actually, T2 jumped a bit higher than I was expecting - maybe people aren't accounting for ease of use impact yet. Or maybe I'm just wrong. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Nihi Li'aldoko
The Mucking Fuppets
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Posted - 2014.07.30 12:33:00 -
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Anyone else notice that margins are getting slim? Seems like everything that was trading at 5-10% is sliding into the 3-4%. Is this just the market in chaos or is it the new norm? |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
745
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:58:00 -
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Amber Lana wrote:Reprocessing changes, that's why.
I think.
The mineral value of all things meta has dropped 45-50% due to reprocessing skill changes. Because the mineral value is now lower, more players will be selling to market, thus increasing supply, and probably further reducing prices. But cheap meta 4 modules will get more inventors and buys purchasing. So perhaps that will be a net neutral change.
Market should stabilize soon.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.01 01:40:00 -
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Oh yeah, the value of all those hulks and macks I was building as fast as I could with 4 industry characters, 2 POS's and a crapton of component BPC's for the last 6 weeks or so before things got Cirius is dropping like a rock.
Happy with my Orca and Obelisk stash, drone stash and a couple freighter loads of selected T2 mods also.
Money wise it's gonna be great for me, just starting to sell a few things.
Lots of the mechanics and the overall plan behind it leave a lot to be desired.
The state of the software as released is just plain embarrassing to CCP, or it least it should be. Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Felicity Love
Second Battlegroup
2068
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:37:00 -
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... mmmmmmmmmmm... market opportunities by the hauler-load this summer ... why is everyone so sad ?
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Nickerbogger Altol
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.08 21:19:00 -
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You are forgetting on small issue, the production times of a lot of good running products got a hell of a lot faster. And there is no limit anymore on how many people can build.
So the supply increases while the demand stays the same, therefore the price of stuff that falls in does categories starts to drop, margins getting smaller, but the same time the ressources that are needed to build get more expensive. Because we are building faster.
But there are also items that have an increased production time does go up in price but does are usually items that are not that needed or dont have that much movement on the market to feed that many industry guys. |
Dave PSI
Haendlergilde Gilde Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:56:00 -
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At least for many T2 Modules the answer is simple. CCP changed the production times of most (all ???) T2 BPOs. I don't know if that was intentional or by someone with no clue (my assumption).
The output of all T2 Ship BPOs where massive lowered (in general the output is only 1/2 to 1/3 from before), except for some high demanded ships (Hulk, Mackinaw etc.) the market was for o good part covered by the T2 Ship BPO owners. The only numbers i have where from CCP Diagoras in 2012 (Hulk 90%, Ishtar 66%, Heretic 13%, Eagle 6% ... from invention) . That is no longer the case so you see not only a rise in prices i also bet they won't settle fast.
CCP did the exact opposite for T2 Module BPOs, except for small weapons and a few other modules, the output of all T2 Module BPOs doubled or trippled (for example 250mm Railgun from ca. 350 to 1020, Tachyon from 250 to 700 per month). All modules which aren't in a very high demand will be very unprofitable in the future. I also have thesame old numbers from 2012: Gyrostabs 94%, Tachyon 82%, Improved Cloak 55%, Cap Recharger 22% from invention. Even "good" BPOs like Improved Cloak and Cap Recharger will be crap in the future, because the BPO owners will be sufficient to fill the market completely and profit for everyone will drop.
The inventors have to focus on the few high in demand modules / modules with no T2 BPOs (see these prices also drop) and perhaps ships??? |
Zexy Jeffries
King of Bongo Bong
4
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:31:00 -
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Ppl forget that ccp isnt done with the invention changes. |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:12:00 -
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HORAE Deteis wrote:I have notised - almost all modules and stuff on the market is in a downward spiral most even to a 1/3 of the standard average a few months back?
What happened
Only Item actully climbing is PLEX?
You notise this if you try and sell modules gained from missions etc. most items I have inspected have a Price history graph going sharply DOWN since June 2014 ?
HD
EGRESS IMMEDIATELY. yes |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3410
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:24:00 -
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Dave PSI wrote:At least for many T2 Modules the answer is simple. CCP changed the production times of most (all ???) T2 BPOs. I don't know if that was intentional or by someone with no clue (my assumption).
The output of all T2 Ship BPOs where massive lowered (in general the output is only 1/2 to 1/3 from before), except for some high demanded ships (Hulk, Mackinaw etc.) the market was for o good part covered by the T2 Ship BPO owners. The only numbers i have where from CCP Diagoras in 2012 (Hulk 90%, Ishtar 66%, Heretic 13%, Eagle 6% ... from invention) . That is no longer the case so you see not only a rise in prices i also bet they won't settle fast.
CCP did the exact opposite for T2 Module BPOs, except for small weapons and a few other modules, the output of all T2 Module BPOs doubled or trippled (for example 250mm Railgun from ca. 350 to 1020, Tachyon from 250 to 700 per month). All modules which aren't in a very high demand will be very unprofitable in the future. I also have thesame old numbers from 2012: Gyrostabs 94%, Tachyon 82%, Improved Cloak 55%, Cap Recharger 22% from invention. Even "good" BPOs like Improved Cloak and Cap Recharger* will be crap in the future, because the BPO owners will be sufficient to fill the market completely and profit for everyone will drop.
The inventors have to focus on the few high in demand modules / modules with no T2 BPOs (see these prices also drop) and perhaps ships???
*edit: sorry Cap Recharger II was a bad example, output was lowered after the Crius.
Even modules that are in high demand (Light Neutron Blaster II) are in freefall. I'm selling the stash I had put aside for personal use (about 200 gank catalysts worth). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:39:00 -
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And people keep saying eve industry is healthy, it has been more than few people pointing out that at this producing speed the supply far exceeds the demand.... |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3412
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:15:00 -
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Qmamoto Kansuke wrote:And people keep saying eve industry is healthy, it has been more than few people pointing out that at this producing speed the supply far exceeds the demand....
EVE has always had massive overproduction because most players do not mind sitting on enormous amounts of ships and modules they can see future uses for.
IIRC last year, production was around 2.5 quadrillion ISK and destruction only a third of that amount. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Jace Sarice
Sarshitra Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:26:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Qmamoto Kansuke wrote:And people keep saying eve industry is healthy, it has been more than few people pointing out that at this producing speed the supply far exceeds the demand.... EVE has always had massive overproduction because most players do not mind sitting on enormous amounts of ships and modules they can see future uses for. IIRC last year, production was around 2.5 quadrillion ISK and destruction only a third of that amount.
This. Overproduction has been a constant theme in EVE.
As usual, things will stabilize within three months of significant changes. Once the dust has settled, whatever remains will be considered the new norm except by those that refuse to adapt to changes and instead choose to incessantly whine about the good old days before they stopped educating themselves on the current situation. I do not care what you think as long as it is about me. |
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