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Holgrak Blacksmith
Viziam Amarr Empire
208
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:12:00 -
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I've recently started doing some pvp and I've had a bit of success but want to streamline my method.
I head to lowsec with a magnate, scanning a few relic/data/combat sites, then head back to my highsec base, grab a coercer and return to the lowsec sites to prey on explorers.
I want some opinions on what ship would be best to do this all in one step. Without having separate scanning/pvp ships.
I know a vexor can do the job but I'd much prefer something that relies on turrets. I would prefer to also avoid T3s with me being very new to pvp. Perhaps a budget of 30-50 mil would be reasonable.
Maybe I'm asking for a bit too much for that sort of isk?
Edit: it's probably worth mentioning that I have pretty decent amarr/caldari/gallente skills for hulls and weapons. Absolutely no skills in minmatar. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3395
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:15:00 -
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Anything with a utility high-slot you can put a probe launcher in. Oh god. |
Holgrak Blacksmith
Viziam Amarr Empire
208
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:16:00 -
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I'm interested in what would do it best though for 50mil.
Also I've tried putting a probe launcher in one of the coercer high slots but I find it tricky to scan down a lot of sites. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3395
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:20:00 -
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I think a Thrasher could be a decent choice seeing as you're already using a destroyer and it shouldn't take too long to train into. Oh god. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
207
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:20:00 -
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You could just PvP fit your Magnate. Given that your most likely targets are going to be other exploration frigates, and most of them aren't armed, that should be all you need. Point, web, 2x turrets, rudimentary tank. Sit at the warp-in and wait.
If you're looking for an upgrade, the Gnosis comes to mind: no extra ship skills necessary, great bonuses to all weapons (turrets, missiles, and drones), and bonuses to scan probes. Any of the SoE ships, although expensive, would fit your needs well, although they tend to rely more on drones than turrets.
EDIT: Last time I checked, you could get a Gnosis hull for about 60mil, plus you'd need to fit it. On that budget though, I'd stick with the Magnate, or just put a probe launcher on your destroyer as the poster above me suggested. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2092
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:09:00 -
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any interceptor should do nicely, with the added advantage of fast warp speeds
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3263
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:10:00 -
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Astero, provided you have drone skills. Admittedly a bit pricey but it's got my money. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
323
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:57:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:I'm interested in what would do it best though for 50mil.
Also I've tried putting a probe launcher in one of the coercer high slots but I find it tricky to scan down a lot of sites.
Next you're going to want the best HAC for under 150 mil. You're not going to find a ship that can solo survive LS, scan sites and gank site runners for under 50 mil. The SOE cruiser is probable the best ship for what you are trying to do.
All that and under 50 mil - some bomber fit that has a probe launcher on it.
You're asking for too much for too little. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
690
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:02:00 -
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Ironically, Minmatar is probably your best bet. So get training bud.
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trevormax
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
34
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:31:00 -
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Fit a coercer for scanning (probe launcher, scanning mods etc) and take a mobile depot. Put the depot in a safe spot. Scan stuff down, refit to gank and warp to site. |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
347
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:11:00 -
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Blackbird. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
190
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Posted - 2014.07.29 06:45:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
841
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Posted - 2014.07.29 09:44:00 -
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Dual prop anything. You will want the mwd to get into point range and under thier guns quickly then switch out to ab for the speed/sig tank. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
748
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Posted - 2014.07.29 09:49:00 -
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[Arazu, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II
Acolyte II x5
For catching those irritating stabbed explorer frigs... (can make good money from taiking those sister probe launchers
No Worries |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
841
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:26:00 -
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Are you hunting relic/data site explorers or combat explorers? It makes a big difference.
The relic/data pilots have no teeth and no tank. You can best hunt them with either a bomber or cov-ops of yoir choice. The caldari and gallente are best because they have the most mids and you will need multiple scrams to keep your prey in place. Their only real defense is warp core stabs. You'll need 3 scrams for the amarr boats because they have 4 lows.
If you're hunting combat explorers and mission runners then I suggest a dual prop frigate. I favor the comet for this activity. Its sig is deadly small and you can achieve near interceptor speed with the raw damage of a blaster boat. I have taken at least a dozen drakes as well as other BC's and various cruisers, even destroyers and drone boats. An actual interceptor would likely do the job just as well and an AF even better but the t1 and navy frigs are a bit less costly.
As a side note, you should have either a cruiser or a few friends on hand should something juicy show up on scan. Take the advice of the above poster who suggested having a mobile depot and a probing fit on hand as well.
Just a couple of examples for you:
[Manticore, Anti - Explo] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Federation Navy Comet, Mission Raider] Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3 |
Shobon Blueshooter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.07.30 03:47:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Are you hunting relic/data site explorers or combat explorers? It makes a big difference.
The relic/data pilots have no teeth and no tank. You can best hunt them with either a bomber or cov-ops of yoir choice. The caldari and gallente are best because they have the most mids and you will need multiple scrams to keep your prey in place. Their only real defense is warp core stabs. You'll need 3 scrams for the amarr boats because they have 4 lows.
If you're hunting combat explorers and mission runners then I suggest a dual prop frigate. I favor the comet for this activity. Its sig is deadly small and you can achieve near interceptor speed with the raw damage of a blaster boat. I have taken at least a dozen drakes as well as other BC's and various cruisers, even destroyers and drone boats. An actual interceptor would likely do the job just as well and an AF even better but the t1 and navy frigs are a bit less costly.
As a side note, you should have either a cruiser or a few friends on hand should something juicy show up on scan. Take the advice of the above poster who suggested having a mobile depot and a probing fit on hand as well.
Just a couple of examples for you:
[Manticore, Anti - Explo] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Federation Navy Comet, Mission Raider] Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3
Good advice, but you only need two Scrams to catch someone with 4 stabs -- I use a rocket fit Purifier and it's been all I needed to do the job. A friend of mine uses a MASB Manticore, and has managed to catch Asteros with it, so that might just be the inexpensive ship the OP is looking for.
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Holgrak Blacksmith
Viziam Amarr Empire
208
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Posted - 2014.07.30 09:51:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Are you hunting relic/data site explorers or combat explorers? It makes a big difference.
The relic/data pilots have no teeth and no tank. You can best hunt them with either a bomber or cov-ops of yoir choice. The caldari and gallente are best because they have the most mids and you will need multiple scrams to keep your prey in place. Their only real defense is warp core stabs. You'll need 3 scrams for the amarr boats because they have 4 lows.
If you're hunting combat explorers and mission runners then I suggest a dual prop frigate. I favor the comet for this activity. Its sig is deadly small and you can achieve near interceptor speed with the raw damage of a blaster boat. I have taken at least a dozen drakes as well as other BC's and various cruisers, even destroyers and drone boats. An actual interceptor would likely do the job just as well and an AF even better but the t1 and navy frigs are a bit less costly.
As a side note, you should have either a cruiser or a few friends on hand should something juicy show up on scan. Take the advice of the above poster who suggested having a mobile depot and a probing fit on hand as well.
Just a couple of examples for you:
[Manticore, Anti - Explo] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Federation Navy Comet, Mission Raider] Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Hobgoblin II x3
Thanks a lot for this, I like the look of both these fits. |
God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
401
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Posted - 2014.07.31 03:43:00 -
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Shobon Blueshooter wrote: Good advice, but you only need two Scrams to catch someone with 4 stabs -- I use a rocket fit Purifier and it's been all I needed to do the job. A friend of mine uses a MASB Manticore, and has managed to catch Asteros with it, so that might just be the inexpensive ship the OP is looking for.
Unless you're using a 3 point scram it does take triple scram to stop someone with 4 stabs. Ships have a built in warp strength of 1. WCS add 1 to that number and scrams take away 2 from it. If your warp strength is >= 1 you can warp off. In the case of a ship with 2 scrams vs 4 stabs is 1 + (4*1) - (2*2) which is just 1 again so your target warps off. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
657
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Posted - 2014.07.31 05:23:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Shobon Blueshooter wrote: Good advice, but you only need two Scrams to catch someone with 4 stabs -- I use a rocket fit Purifier and it's been all I needed to do the job. A friend of mine uses a MASB Manticore, and has managed to catch Asteros with it, so that might just be the inexpensive ship the OP is looking for.
Unless you're using a 3 point scram it does take triple scram to stop someone with 4 stabs. Ships have a built in warp strength of 1. WCS add 1 to that number and scrams take away 2 from it. If your warp strength is >= 1 you can warp off. In the case of a ship with 2 scrams vs 4 stabs is 1 + (4*1) - (2*2) which is just 1 again so your target warps off.
This is correct. I dual scrammed a site running astero once only to have him warp away cause he had 4 stabs. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
443
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Posted - 2014.07.31 08:19:00 -
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With a 50mil margin?
A bomber with rockets.
Plated Purifiers with dualscrams are pretty good for that. Don't try to hunt any Asteros in one though. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
274
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:43:00 -
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You could pull this off in an Algos.
I say that assuming that you're going after lullaby Tech I exploration frigates. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
26
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:15:00 -
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Rocket bomber every time. They're also good at popping gas huffing Ventures.
As previously stated, only ever try to hit Exploration frigates and their tech 2 variants. Never engage an Astero in a rocket fit bomber, it will end badly for you. I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
176
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Posted - 2014.08.10 15:10:00 -
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Rocket bomber is good enough to kill exploration frigates. Try that first.
I use a cloak Proteus or a Pilgrim for bigger targets. Just go to low sec and try to hunt there while using wspace to have quick and safe access to null or to other low sec areas. Low has many wormholes to low/null.
I know the Pilgrim has its drawbacks but i'm in love with this ship. I fly it with recons V and cloaking V, i must add.
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Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
104
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:41:00 -
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This could work, but i know i always D-Scan any site before i warp to it, if i see a thrasher chilling there im swapping from a buzzard to something with firepower, killing you then running the site. Once there was a retribution camping a site and i had only a few PVP ships nearby so i dropped my Sin on it and then ran the site in my buzzard a few moments later.
Also cheapest and most effective ship for this is a bomber, fit dual scram, rockets, and some damage mods and you sit there cloaked in the site ready to kill whatever comes in. plus no decloak delay so its instant tackle Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Igor Nappi
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.08.14 13:18:00 -
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Imicus. It kills all the exploration frigates, site camping bombers (even several at once) and badly fit Asteros. It also has the medslots to fit 3 scrams or 2 scrams and a web.
Edit: Obviously Astero is a lot better and has the ability to sneak into scram range before decloaking. Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game. |
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