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RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:42:00 -
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Was reading news articles on it.
What I learned.
1: Dust 514 is now behind the back burner 2: People are pissed at CCP for putting it behind the back burner 3: Instead of making DUST better they simply ignore and start over calling it "Project Leigon" 4: CCP devs at fanfest couldn't accuratly answer questions about DUST514, or back peddled. 5: CCP has yet to put a project Leigon forum slot on the forums. 6: FPS on PC platforms will work. However they are ruining the cross platform reputation. 7: They are going to lose fans for the betrayal. 8: More hollow promises.
If I'm wrong let me know. |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
495
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:43:00 -
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Project Leigon.
You're wrong.
Fix the title! http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15835
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:52:00 -
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Look buddy, GD is the place for whining about Eve and the games that will kill it.
Go to the DUST forums to whine about DUST and how Legion is killing it.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:54:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:Was reading news articles on it.
What I learned.
1: Dust 514 is now behind the back burner 2: People are pissed at CCP for putting it behind the back burner 3: Instead of making DUST better they simply ignore and start over calling it "Project Leigon" 4: CCP devs at fanfest couldn't accuratly answer questions about DUST514, or back peddled. 5: CCP has yet to put a project Leigon forum slot on the forums. 6: FPS on PC platforms will work. However they are ruining the cross platform reputation. 7: They are going to lose fans for the betrayal. 8: More hollow promises.
If I'm wrong let me know. 9. No link. Outside of some other magic stuff Legion will be just a typical shooter, with a futuristic setting. Won't stop me from playing it though... |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
350
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:55:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Look buddy, GD is the place for whining about Eve and the games that will kill it.
Go to the DUST forums to whine about DUST and how Legion is killing it.
Or the smarter answer would be to open a Legion page. Hell the valkerie- or however it's spelled- got one, not even out yet. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
786
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:59:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:Was reading news articles on it.
What I learned.
1: Dust 514 is now behind the back burner 2: People are pissed at CCP for putting it behind the back burner 3: Instead of making DUST better they simply ignore and start over calling it "Project Leigon" 4: CCP devs at fanfest couldn't accuratly answer questions about DUST514, or back peddled. 5: CCP has yet to put a project Leigon forum slot on the forums. 6: FPS on PC platforms will work. However they are ruining the cross platform reputation. 7: They are going to lose fans for the betrayal. 8: More hollow promises.
If I'm wrong let me know.
1) no not really back burnered, its just simmering. Legion is still not green lite. An some updates are coming, but they are just fixes not new stuff.
2) this has passed, most dust players that stayed have shrugged it off, at least from what i have seen
3) As we don;t have all the details, i'm going with that ccp realized they could do what they wanted or be easier to work with if the game was on pc, and they could not port. This is business 101, when you have a failure, you take what worked form it and try again.
4) No, they answered that it was in planning phases and nothing was not set yet. CCP's issue was they did not have any plans for dust, so the dust players felt cheated.
5) Legion is not green lite, its still a concept. There is a forum over on the dust forums where the feed back will be better then what eve players would give.
6) CCP is no longer doing cross platform, so who cares.
7) thats has passed, the people who got pissed and left have already left.
8) actually legion seems to be shaping up well, so the jury is still out.
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
495
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:01:00 -
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Arthie, seriously, you can edit the title when you edit the OP.
No cuddles for you ever, Mister, if you don't fix that! :p http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
Mahadiva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:04:00 -
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Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
786
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:04:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Look buddy, GD is the place for whining about Eve and the games that will kill it.
Go to the DUST forums to whine about DUST and how Legion is killing it.
Or the smarter answer would be to open a Legion page. Hell the valkerie- or however it's spelled- got one, not even out yet.
legion is not green lite, its still a concept, we did not get a valk forum untill it was making progress In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3263
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:06:00 -
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Why are you, a pc gamer, concernd about dust 514, a console (a pita console to develop for at that) game?
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:07:00 -
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I jump in because i thought project lego... noob op... |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji The Irukandji.
69
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:08:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote:Was reading news articles on it.
What I learned.
1: Dust 514 is now behind the back burner 2: People are pissed at CCP for putting it behind the back burner 3: Instead of making DUST better they simply ignore and start over calling it "Project Leigon" 4: CCP devs at fanfest couldn't accuratly answer questions about DUST514, or back peddled. 5: CCP has yet to put a project Leigon forum slot on the forums. 6: FPS on PC platforms will work. However they are ruining the cross platform reputation. 7: They are going to lose fans for the betrayal. 8: More hollow promises.
If I'm wrong let me know. 1) no not really back burnered, its just simmering. Legion is still not green lite. An some updates are coming, but they are just fixes not new stuff. 2) this has passed, most dust players that stayed have shrugged it off, at least from what i have seen 3) As we don;t have all the details, i'm going with that ccp realized they could do what they wanted or be easier to work with if the game was on pc, and they could not port. This is business 101, when you have a failure, you take what worked form it and try again. 4) No, they answered that it was in planning phases and nothing was not set yet. CCP's issue was they did not have any plans for dust, so the dust players felt cheated. 5) Legion is not green lite, its still a concept. There is a forum over on the dust forums where the feed back will be better then what eve players would give. 6) CCP is no longer doing cross platform, so who cares. 7) thats has passed, the people who got pissed and left have already left. 8) actually legion seems to be shaping up well, so the jury is still out.
This....
@OP
You're late. You're very, very late. Much of everyone left Dust 514 already like... 2-3 months ago. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:10:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Why are you, a pc gamer, concernd about dust 514, a console (a pita console to develop for at that) game?
Because:
1) gripers gonna gripe. 2) whiners gonna whine. 3) Alligators gonna alligate. 4) gotta nuke something. 5) slow news day. 6) its really not RAIN doing this, its his cat who commandeered the keyboard.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3635
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:10:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote:Was reading news articles on it.
What I learned.
1: Dust 514 is now behind the back burner 2: People are pissed at CCP for putting it behind the back burner 3: Instead of making DUST better they simply ignore and start over calling it "Project Leigon" 4: CCP devs at fanfest couldn't accuratly answer questions about DUST514, or back peddled. 5: CCP has yet to put a project Leigon forum slot on the forums. 6: FPS on PC platforms will work. However they are ruining the cross platform reputation. 7: They are going to lose fans for the betrayal. 8: More hollow promises.
If I'm wrong let me know. 9. No link. Outside of some other magic stuff Legion will be just a typical shooter, with a futuristic setting. Won't stop me from playing it though...
I think the entire point of Legion was that they ****** up the design of the link between DUST and EVE, we got the entire DUST market in EVE and have had it for years now but nothing ever happened. They were planning on just patching it in on some big release day, a mistake they're learning from in Legion.
There was a dev that could be quoted somewhere saying something along the lines of "we need to make sure that this time all the core features have to be designed in from the get go and not added later". The Drake is a Lie |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji The Irukandji.
69
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:11:00 -
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Mahadiva wrote:Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool.
Well, we could've gotten an X360 version as well if Microsoft wasn't so damn greedy. From what I heard, the X360 version was more stable. But that's was from a rumor and you know how rumors are. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
788
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:17:00 -
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Mahadiva wrote:Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool.
I'm gonna disagree. The biggest mistake was not linking it to eve in a meaningful way. If eve players had given a **** about dust players, dust could of found its footing. But as we did not care, dust had no support when it stumbled. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
5
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:24:00 -
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If ccp thought I will buy console for fps rigged to eve they were wrong.... no faqs given |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
253
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:25:00 -
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Gridloader wrote:I jump in because i thought project lego... noob op...
I too want to play a Lego "EVE themed" game. The lego rifter could really fly then...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3263
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:27:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 6) its really not RAIN doing this, its his cat who commandeered the keyboard.
they're learning to shiptoast.....God help us all. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
240
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:30:00 -
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I'm excited for project Legroin. If Legroin learns from Ron Paul 514 it could be a solid game.
I'm also still not sure what the point of Dust was. I made a post about how Dust was a flawed idea and they gave me a response about how industry professionals said it would be successful and that those professionals might know a thing or two. Yeah, really successful.....just like everything CCP does. Do you have it? |
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Da Dom
Wii R
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:39:00 -
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I will explain
Dust/Legion: CoD clone
What is the average attention span of FPS players?
:)(: |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3263
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:57:00 -
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Da Dom wrote:I will explain
Dust/Legion: CoD clone
What is the average attention span of FPS players?
No it wasn't, it's crap but it's crap for its own good reasons. First among them being on console and not pc so it's immediate handicap Is the hardware, then the actual player base, then the game (which has nothing to do with cod/battle field).
Imo Legion looks broadly like Destiny (in terms of concept) and depending upon the deapth of integration with eve and business model it could be rather unique.
Now it's still ccp developing it so it could fail miserably but I'm tentatively hopeful.
And I'm a fps player so feck off. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
5
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:16:00 -
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ccp remember one thing... I am an EVE player.... everytime you try put some other title... I feel cheated.... especially when you try to put it on different platform..... I dont like that you are waisting human resources on other games You have build your player base through this 10years.... but you are gliding on the edge... really... I bet there are others that want to take your place... and they see and listen prolly this forums too... to learn from your mistakes, So stop waisting our time and start to take care of your eve players... start repairing this game... not for 2years but now, because for 2 years you may wake up with nothing and there will be only fairy tales about eve nothing more... |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
58
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:16:00 -
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But they have now trees and lens flares.. if you only wait n+1 years it will evolve into the game you always dreamed of, seriously..
This would probably work if they would target a new audience who isn't used to CCPs way of dreaming publicly about a perfect product and delivering a underwhelming alpha version without any appealing gameplay. They probably destroyed that with Dust. If they ever plan to restart this and make some of the money they put into this project back they have to deliver something new and exciting right from the start or it will perish.
Their only success is EVE so far and I think the essence of what EVE is today was actually an emergent property of how players started to use the game and was in no way planed by CCP. I mean all the build in content is pretty underwhelming, EVE is only successful because of what players do and not because CCP came up whit some innovative gameplay.
Also look at what they presented about EVE Valkyrie. It was something like "It looks really awesome and you think you are in space. And now we try to figure out some gameplay for this new visual toy". I am not sure if you have a chance developing a game that is actually fun if the basic gameplay is something you still try to figure out even after you announced the game itself.
Maybe I am just biter and burned from years of false promises, but at the moment I don't think either one of this projects has a chance. Despite all this I still hope they somehow manage to deliver and show me what a fool I was to doubt them. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Mahadiva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:26:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Mahadiva wrote:Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool. I'm gonna disagree. The biggest mistake was not linking it to eve in a meaningful way. If eve players had given a **** about dust players, dust could of found its footing. But as we did not care, dust had no support when it stumbled. IMO the reason we did not care is that it's not on PC. If it were one could just alt-tab back and forth and switch between ground and space forces on the fly. Though I don't know how the interaction actually plays out. Maybe it's really rudimentary and not engaging at all. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:27:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: 6) its really not RAIN doing this, its his cat who commandeered the keyboard.
they're learning to shiptoast.....God help us all.
It has been acknowledged by CCP that cats playing Eve is a problem, and its not considered account sharing.
I don't know if cats shiptoasting on the forums is a problem, as cats tend to be less irritating than people when it comes to their opinions. To be honest, if you look at some of the threads posted recently, I would have rather read a cats first-person account of walking into the middle of a crowded room, flopping down with its leg in the air, and cleaning its anal region with its tongue for 20 minutes. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
593
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:04:00 -
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Mahadiva wrote:Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool.
I still say Sony should have nudged CCP and gave them the specs for the PS4 and asked for the release to be done on the PS4 platform. |
Hiply Rustic
A Private Space Venture
90
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:21:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Mahadiva wrote:Biggest mistake was to make it PS3-exclusive. Ofc the game is terrible on that platform.
When project "Leigon" comes to PC, where all their fanbase is, I might actually play it. The premise is really cool. I still say Sony should have nudged CCP and gave them the specs for the PS4 and asked for the release to be done on the PS4 platform.
I probably would have goofed around with it and at least tried it out had they done that. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
128
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:23:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Look buddy, GD is the place for whining about Eve and the games that will kill it.
Go to the DUST forums to whine about DUST and how Legion is killing it.
Or the smarter answer would be to open a Legion page. Hell the valkerie- or however it's spelled- got one, not even out yet.
Like this one?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1732 |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
212
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:25:00 -
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CCP has management issues. That's not really news anymore. |
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