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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:06:00 -
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Greetings, honorable spaceship pilots,
I hope everybody is having a great summer so far! You havenGÇÖt heard much from us lately, so I thought it would be prudent to provide you all with an update, and make good on some promises we made earlier this year.
First, we are publishing the slides from our presentation at this yearGÇÖs fanfest. You can grab those here, in glorious high-quality PDF format. Now that the slides have been cleared for public consumption, we hope to continue this practice in the future, and we apologize for the delay in getting these out to you. Enjoy!
If you have not had a chance to check out the presentation, please check it out on YouTube: Fanfest 2014 - From Evidence to Bans
We are also sharing some brand new data on the ISK worth of assets located on accounts permanently banned by the team. These numbers have never been shown before, I hope you like them! EDIT: Forums seemingly can't handle graphs of this magnitude, you'll find the graph here.
If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to leave us a reply in this thread, we will do our best to answer you. If tweeting is more up your alley, youGÇÖll find us there as well! Give us your best 140 characters: CCP Bugartist, Director of Information Security CCP Random, Security Engineer CCP Grimmi, Security Analyst CCP Peligro, Security Analyst
Reminder of upcoming RMT policy changes We are currently working on another dev blog to announce our move to a three-strike ISK Buyer policy. We mentioned these intentions at this yearGÇÖs fanfest, but I think it warrants repeating.
Our current 4-strike policy for ISK buyers is too lenient: GÇó 1st strike, ISK removed and a warning GÇó 2nd strike, ISK removed and 7 day ban GÇó 3rd strike, ISK removed and 30 day ban GÇó 4th strike, permanent ban
Going forward, our new policy for ISK Buyers will be: GÇó 1st strike, 7 days temporary ban and removal of ISK GÇó 2nd strike, 21 days temporary ban and removal of ISK GÇó 3rd strike, permanent ban
As the vast majority of ISK Buyers are newer players (see slides, page 23), we want to get the message out there before making the switch. Expect more on this subject soon. WeGÇÖd also love your thoughts on the data we have presented, and perhaps requests for information youGÇÖd like to see us talk about.
Oh, and last but not least, CCP Bugartist demands that I also state: please, validate your email address at: https://secure.eveonline.com.
As usual, send us anything fishy, suspicious or just how much you like us to [email protected].
Best regards, CCP Peligro Security Analyst
More from Team Security: -DonGÇÖt try this at home! -This is Team Security
More about Security: -Scams and Exploits -Policies CCP Peligro - Team Security |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:10:00 -
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Yeah graphs. \o/
Edit: holy **** that's a lot of assets, has this year's increase been as a result of improving your methods or them improving theirs?
Also, good work lads, happy to hear from ye. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Bianca Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:11:00 -
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First? Second(?)
Thank you for the update, keep up the good/hard work.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23469
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:13:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:Greetings, honorable spaceship pilots, I'm sorry, but I think you may have misposted. This is EVE General DiscussionGǪ
That aside, yay, graphs! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Marsha Mallow
1366
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:13:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yeah graphs. \o/ So glad you said that. Was my first thought too, then I mentally slapped myself for being a nerd
PDFs of all the Fanfest presentations would be awesome actually if they were used for all them. The vids are great but there's literally hours of footage to watch and I'd prefer to just skim the highlights.
Cheers for this though DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
200
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:18:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yeah graphs. \o/
Bianca Silver wrote:First? Second(?) Thank you for the update, keep up the good/hard work.
No, thank YOU! Seriously though, thanks for the kind words, we appreciate it.
Tippia wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:Greetings, honorable spaceship pilots, I'm sorry, but I think you may have misposted. This is EVE General DiscussionGǪ That aside, yay, graphs!
That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/ CCP Peligro - Team Security |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3266
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:23:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:Tippia wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:Greetings, honorable spaceship pilots, I'm sorry, but I think you may have misposted. This is EVE General DiscussionGǪ That aside, yay, graphs! That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/ Tippia is the General discussion logic automated defense system, or possibly a raptor of some nature that preys upon the belligerent misinformed. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7380
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:23:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote: That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/
That tends to happen when a poster uses logic instead of emotion. Tip's like count is a direct measure of the amount of emotional poster butt hurt he's caused
-Signed, Knights of the Tippian White Order.. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7380
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:24:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:Tippia wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:Greetings, honorable spaceship pilots, I'm sorry, but I think you may have misposted. This is EVE General DiscussionGǪ That aside, yay, graphs! That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/ Tippia is the General discussion logic automated defense system, or possibly a raptor of some nature that preys upon the belligerent misinformed.
Belligerent Misinformed! I'm so stealing that phrase!
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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:30:00 -
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And yet, I see nothing here about people that bot but don't RMT.... apparently that's still not important enough for you guys to look at since its not a security concern and makes sure you guys get a paycheck every month (or two weeks)? |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3267
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:34:00 -
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^^I sense tippia's like count increaseing "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:34:00 -
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First off, yay graphs!!! \o\ IoI \o/ IoI /o/ (<--- hes waving his hands in the air, he may or may not care..)
Secondly..
::looks left:: ::looks right::
INB4 move to Eve Information Portal. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:36:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:And yet, I see nothing here about people that bot but don't RMT. Eh? So pages 14GÇô17, 27, 31, 33GÇô37, and 39 (and maybe even 51GÇô53) count as nothing?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
502
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:47:00 -
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Love the after botting picture |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:51:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:And yet, I see nothing here about people that bot but don't RMT.... apparently that's still not important enough for you guys to look at since its not a security concern and makes sure you guys get a paycheck every month (or two weeks)?
Slide 17, 18 & 19 cover mostly botting players. "ESTF" stands for the "EVE Security Task Force", they designed and implemented the first version of our automated bot detection and banning system back in 2011. Here's an old dev blog on that subject: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-eve-security-taskforce-report-a-bot/ The ESTF system currently catches mostly botting players, as RMT bots are usually swept up in larger targeted sweeps.
All in all, we've banned roughly 30,000 bots since the beginning of 2013, whether or not those are RMT Bots or players makes little difference to us. If they are engaged in RMT, we'll use that as an excuse to drop the hammer extra hard (no second chances, instant permanent ban).
For players, we are operating on a two-strike policy when it comes to botting: 1st offense GÇô 30 day temporary ban 2nd offense GÇô permanent ban
As well as the removal of proceeds made from such illegal activities, this is covered in our suspension and ban policy. GÇ£Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerGÇÖs inventory."
We also apply a permanent outbound character transfer lock to all accounts banned for macro use. Botting is definitely a security concern and one of our priorities.
CCP Peligro - Team Security |
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5243
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:59:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:
Going forward, our new policy for ISK Buyers will be: GÇó 1st strike, 7 days temporary ban and removal of ISK GÇó 2nd strike, 21 days temporary ban and removal of ISK GÇó 3rd strike, permanent ban
Not severe enough! :p
Maybe something like
GÇó 1st strike, permanent ban. :D |
Noriko Mai
1397
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:07:00 -
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Bring the old advertisement back. "Joe did business with the enemy." |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:08:00 -
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Every time I read somewhere "Bought Isk from this site, 2 days later CCP took it away" it warms my dark heart. And I love it even more when RMT Isk are more expensive than buying Plex Best team at CCP, keep on hunting them down. |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:12:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Bring the old advertisement back. "Joe did business with the enemy."
An old favorite! CCP Peligro - Team Security |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:16:00 -
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the graphs talk about ratting, mission, mining and market bots. which of those categories includes factional warfare complex bots? is there such a thing as a fw bot? have there ever been large numbers of them? |
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Samantha Floyd
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:CCP Peligro wrote: That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/ Tip's like count is a direct measure of the amount of emotional poster butt hurt he's caused Like count on EVE forums is more like a high school popularity contest... you're either one of the cool kids or you're not |
Valterra Craven
269
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:And yet, I see nothing here about people that bot but don't RMT. Eh? So pages 14GÇô17, 27, 31, 33GÇô37, and 39 (and maybe even 51GÇô53) count as nothing?
I stand corrected. My slide processing part of the brain took a crap this morning.
CCP Peligro wrote: The Smackdown
Thanks for the long winded reply, I appreciate the time it took you to craft that post. I'm sure a "hey stupid, did you misunderstand what was on the slides here, here, and here would have been equally sufficient :X |
Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:44:00 -
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I like hammers. Let's drop some more! |
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:32:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:the graphs talk about ratting, mission, mining and market bots. which of those categories includes factional warfare complex bots? is there such a thing as a fw bot? have there ever been large numbers of them? probably they get counted under ratting bots, it should be just a slightly specialized version of the same bot after all. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2838
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:06:00 -
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Questions: (Note, you may have to pass it on to the economics team)
How big an ISK sink is all that banned ISK, relative to the various sinks and faucets currently in the game?
When looking at the health of the game's economy, do you in fact consider banned ISK to be a sink? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1160
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:CCP Peligro wrote: That 5-digit-liked posts count... o/ o/ That tends to happen when a poster uses logic instead of emotion. Tip's like count is a direct measure of the amount of emotional poster butt hurt he's caused -Signed, Knights of the Tippian White Order..
That's like saying Eminem sold more records than the grateful dead because he's a better musician.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:56:00 -
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Can you make information about what alliances are being in top 10 of RMT? This could be very funny, and could persuade few people to check their members more often.
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
449
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:28:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Can you make information about what alliances are being in top 10 of RMT? This could be very funny, and could persuade few people to check their members more often.
Take your partisanal **** waving elsewhere. |
Nemah Xadi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:34:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Can you make information about what alliances are being in top 10 of RMT? This could be very funny, and could persuade few people to check their members more often.
Northern Associates, Brothers of Tangra (b0t) and Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere obviously. The largest rental alliances. How many normal players would pay billions/month for systems just so they can sit and rat all day... |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:34:00 -
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Now, I'd love to see a clampdown on trade chat spam bots.
They make it hard for EULA-compliant 'discount merchants' to compete. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
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