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Ilaister
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
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Posted - 2014.07.28 19:18:00 -
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PREMISE:
'Eve is stagnant', 'Null is dead', 'The noobstream is gone', '(related, generally misdirected and even more pessimistic nerdsperg)'.
CURRENT STATE:
Debates rage across forums, community sites, propagana mills, comment threads and blogs.
Eve's finest minds - those few that remain the doomsayers remind us - have bent their wills to the task. Fix Null or Eve dies.
Thousands of lines of copy. Tens of thousands of lines of playerbase rhetoric. Endless hours of point and counterpoint. Rage, resignation, denial, hate, hope; all are referenced, leveraged and thrown into the maelstrom.
Nerf supercaps. Push the button. Implement FW in null.
SOLUTION: (or Bob Speaks!* - His word echoing across the rhetorical battlefield, reverberating in the skulls of the unbeliever, lighting the path to unending, galaxy-spanning conflict; bringing about the next great era of un-peace on the backs of a hundred million broken hulls, shattered pods and frozen corpses)
http://imgur.com/HN35JBC
For those that yet retain an attention span: http://www.endie.net/wordpress/2014/07/192/
TLDR: Fight - or lose what you call yours.
* Apparently Endie is Bob.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
525
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:34:00 -
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I'm glad you listened to the first SOZugu too. And I understand that posts on the WH sub forum don't really need to be related to wormholes at all, but still...
All I'm going to say is that I wouldn't expect something like this even from HerrBert If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:39:00 -
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How does keeping your stuff even when you are losing make any sense at all? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
525
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:03:00 -
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Listening to Endie talk about it, the idea sounds good and well thought out. But I'm still not sure why this warrants a post sans the fact he says "nullsec sov mechanics can learn from informal WH tradition" and that this section is currently devoid of a pointless post. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
94
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:04:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:things.
I sense butthurt the source of which I cannot begin to fathom.
OP - There are no stations in W-space. Give it some thought.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:07:00 -
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Making comparisons between NS and WH space is so fkn irrelevant that I can't believe it still comes up. Bottom line is that the 2 regions are completely different, cater to completely different people and play styles and should absolutely NOT be made similar. If you like WHs, play in WHs. If you like NS, go play in NS.
Personally I think 90% of NS is fkn stupid and hence I don't go there basically ever. That said, I don't care because I don't play there and I think WHs are absolutely great.
On the other hand, I know lots of people who love NS.
Asking CCP to make NS more like WHs is exactly the same as asking them to make WHs more like NS and we all know how well we take that... Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
399
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:55:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Making comparisons between NS and WH space is so fkn irrelevant that I can't believe it still comes up. Bottom line is that the 2 regions are completely different, cater to completely different people and play styles and should absolutely NOT be made similar. If you like WHs, play in WHs. If you like NS, go play in NS.
Personally I think 90% of NS is fkn stupid and hence I don't go there basically ever. That said, I don't care because I don't play there and I think WHs are absolutely great.
On the other hand, I know lots of people who love NS.
Asking CCP to make NS more like WHs is exactly the same as asking them to make WHs more like NS and we all know how well we take that...
The point is they like the way we behave and want that as game mechanics for themselves. w\e they are reaping what they have sown. My Opinions are my own and do not reflect my corp Host of Down The Pipe-á www.downthepipe-wh.com Ingame Channel DTP Podcast |
Alundil
Isogen 5
608
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:23:00 -
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I was sad to see most of my friends go back to 00. Because I knew I wouldn't go with. WH is the best thing about Eve.
I'm right behind you |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
525
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:31:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:things. I sense butthurt the source of which I cannot begin to fathom. OP - There are no stations in W-space. Give it some thought.
I would look up what that means if I were you... I bet you're one of those people who cries "tears" at every opportunity too. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.29 00:53:00 -
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I will have to read this one when i get home from work, i seem to be too sober to understand right now.
/reserved... |
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2014.07.29 02:16:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:things. I sense butthurt the source of which I cannot begin to fathom. OP - There are no stations in W-space. Give it some thought. Jester butt always sore.
You'd think it grow accustomed to being violenced.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
168
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Posted - 2014.07.29 02:37:00 -
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Must be all those kegels, I hear he does a neat 1400 impression with a lemon.
You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
168
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Posted - 2014.07.29 03:48:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:
I sense butthurt the source of which I cannot begin to fathom.
Also, for fucks sake man so much wasted potential. Here like this next time.
Ilaister wrote:
I sense butthurt the depth of which I cannot begin to fathom.
See notice the subtle double entendre. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
472
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:34:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote: All I'm going to say is that I wouldn't expect something like this even from HerrBert
Working on fixing that .. gimme 30 minutes Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
526
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:21:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Must be all those kegels, I hear he does a neat 1400 impression with a lemon.
1400? Psht, casual. at least 2k for a warm up. Need to make Candi's lemonade somehow
Erica Dusette wrote:Ilaister wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:things. I sense butthurt the source of which I cannot begin to fathom. OP - There are no stations in W-space. Give it some thought. Jester butt always sore. You'd think it grow accustomed to being violenced.
#ISDJester2014 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
472
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:39:00 -
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I give you (again and refined) the Bert Site Blockade Unit (BS-BU) This is concerning the notion of the lack of ACTUAL conflict drving in wormholes that is not based on someones mother working overtime in a gulack in kasastan.
Size: 1000m-¦ (making it "hard to transport) Anchoring time: 30 Minutes Onlining: 30 Minutes EHP: Over 20m mainly shield (yeeeeahhh pulsar) Systemwide Beacon with Timer announcement Unit value: 100 Million Isk fixed (re-deployable)
The initial effect is pretty harmless it just blocks site spawning, unless it is supplied with an item, let's say Blueloot (idea is to keep that commidity wormhole based) or low priority gas. The supply item will be used and make sites disappear [all sites GAS; RADAR RELIC ANOMS ORE NOT WORMHOLES], so give that a 15 minute cycle at 10million isk Value that needs to be fed into the BS-BUS per Site, BUT make it so that you cannot just fill up for 20 sites. The "cargo storage" of a BS-BU should only allow a max. of 2 sites per cycle, so that it requires a constant resupply by hauler. (give it an ESS Bubble so viators arent that easy to pilot)
You could also say different sites need different commidities, exposing the supply line even further to bombing runs or snipers.
Additionally there are "Tier" version, that effect "escalations", "PI" or disrupt scanning in a way that it is more harder to actually scan because of interference causing deviation. So it can be also used as "log in trap mechanic".
The issue i m argueing is, how can game mechanics be good for conflict drving in a space where its always ... if you fudge it you fugde it up for good.
The main arguement against it, is the notion of conflct driving in wormholes is not "feasable" because of "Podexpress".
Why is podexpress bad for conflict driving? Well if the aggressing force kicks out half the population or more because of a gf ... the next step would be PURGE because the pilots are all outside.
Snake eating itself.
But Bert: Cant i just warp to the sites to despawn them? yes but then the conflict is only emerging 3 days later and gets solved by "well they are not connected now those basterds) and if you being honest the current site mechanics of wormholes are horribly broken and this is what need actual fixing.
CCP this one is for you: - Fix refarming of Escalationwave (Yes one site should not be able to be farmed 3-4 times) BLOCK THIS SHID! - the only acceptable mechanic to make sites despawn should be when at least "one objective" has been fullfilled. Kill 1 wave of Sleepers (normal Wave or escalation) and the despawn timer will kick in For gas sites this mean the initial sleeper wave, once that is dead you have 3 days.
And here is a little treat for discussing. Aussies complain about getting always the short stick of the eve development and to some extend they are right, but for them DT is maybe a scanning pain, but for farming.... knock out sites before and after DT ... Double Payment :D Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
526
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:18:00 -
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I'm so glad you delivered.
This thread is going places now... If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
473
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:19:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:I'm so glad you delivered
yeeeah had to rewrite a complete new post because the original thing broke remaining characters.
i m not even sure how many issues i mixed up in that one xD
And before people go all ... Crazy... BS-BU... get it? Bullshit Block Unit.... ... Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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