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NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:39:00 -
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Hello.
As a happy Marmite member with over 220 wars right now, we are used to see war targets farting around everywhere. Well that's all fine. The problem is when i want to see the war targets in the 'War Target' overview tab i have that was working for me like a year ago or so. This is to ease up the fighting against war targets a bit where you only sees your war targets and not 98567395780437897397 other neutrals in the same overview tab.
As i do understand, i now have to set a personal standing that is 'terrible standing' to each corp / alliance we are at war with (and then check the 'terrible standing' for the 'War Target' overview tab to see the war targets then) before i can get the war targets to show up in my 'War Target' overview tab right?
In that case, it's going to be a pain in the ass to change the standings to all of our war targets to terrible standings when we war dec someone and then remove the terrible standings from our war targets when the wars is over. This is driving me nuts. And i'm sure i'm not alone in being nuts about that.
Or can the corp or alliance i'm in set the standings to 'terrible standing' to our war targets at the same time as they sends out the war decs to let everyone see ONLY the war targets in our 'War Target' overview tab to?
Is there any other easier ways of getting the war targets to show up in our 'War Target' overview tab?
If no, then you CCP needs to sort this **** out and make this much easier to change and so on. If we only have like 10-15 wars, it wouldn't be an issue, but when someone like us in Marmite have over 220 wars, it's going to be really painfull to sort that out.
If you other mercenaries are doing wars in empire and have the same problem, then let us know by writing here and let CCP see that this needs to be changed back to how it was before. Yes, i had a fully working 'War Target' overview tab like a year ago where i only saw my war targets there. That might have been because the corp / alliance i was in at that time was setting all of our war targets to 'terrible standing' at the same time as they war dec'ed someone.
But i'm not sure if that's the reason for it that time, so not 100% sure if this standing thing have been like this for many years now. So that's why i'm asking about this now. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:44:00 -
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this has been broken for ages. my personal conclusion from HS wars is they just aren't worth it, nearly everything about them is a pita. I mean maybe, just maybe it is worth it to dec someone who wants to fight. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:46:00 -
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I thought there was an filter option for "is at war with you corporation". I still see blinky red stars (thats how it was default) that show up when i skitter through jita. Or am i completely off-base on what you are referring to? |
NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
496
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:54:00 -
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Rowells wrote:I thought there was an filter option for "is at war with you corporation". I still see blinky red stars (thats how it was default) that show up when i skitter through jita. Or am i completely off-base on what you are referring to? I have that one activated under Filters -> States. But the war targets still doesn't shows up in my 'War Target' overview. I have to activate the 'Pilot have no standing' there to see the war targets in that overview tab.
The problem here is that you will see others with no standings there to then. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.28 20:59:00 -
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Rowells wrote:I thought there was an filter option for "is at war with you corporation". I still see blinky red stars (thats how it was default) that show up when i skitter through jita. Or am i completely off-base on what you are referring to? There is. The problem is that the logic behind the filter has a bunch of AND statements where an OR would probably be a better choice (and vice versa, just to make everything extra annoying), and that we only have a binary value for something that should have three states ("must have", GÇ£must not haveGÇ¥, GÇ£whateverGÇ¥).
So it's very easy to either set a combination that filters out entries you want to see because they accidentally fail to comply with one of the flags you've set, or you end up with far more than you want to see because you can't narrow it down without triggering the first problem. Standings, in particular in combination with anything else, have been a headache since roughly forever and It was not until recently that we had a distinction between neutral entities and no-standing entities, for instance.
My first guess for the OP's problem would indeed be that his filters are partially based on standings and no-one is setting them correctly any more.
e: Too slow. ^^ Describes the problem better: if you don't set up what kind of standing the target is supposed to have, it won't show up. There is no setting for GÇ£ignore standings because they're not relevant, you numptyGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:22:00 -
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The same issue applies to suspect and criminal flags as well. If you set your overview to only display flagged players, but don't have "Player Has No Standings" selected too, nothing shows up. It seems that the standings selections are non-optional: one of them must be true, and selected, for the filter to function properly. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
496
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:26:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:The same issue applies to suspect and criminal flags as well. If you set your overview to only display flagged players, but don't have "Player Has No Standings" selected too, nothing shows up. It seems that the standings selections are non-optional: one of them must be true, and selected, for the filter to function properly. Yeah, i can confirm that to.
This needs to be fixed. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3671
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:36:00 -
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seagull promised 'properly sharable overviews' in the near future. considering ccp's recentish efforts to make the interface more userfriendly and also considering the current default overview is wrong in all the ways (which is horrible for newbies especially) perhaps the overview setup'll receive an unfucking soon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:46:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:seagull promised 'properly sharable overviews' in the near future. considering ccp's recentish efforts to make the interface more userfriendly and also considering the current default overview is wrong in all the ways (which is horrible for newbies especially) perhaps the overview setup'll receive an unfucking soon A query builder like the one in the inventory would be niceGǪ =ƒÖÅ
Whatever it is, it must move away from the opaque boolean logic it has now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1060
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:There is. The problem is that the logic behind the filter has a bunch of AND statements where an OR would probably be a better choice (and vice versa, just to make everything extra annoying), and that we only have a binary value for something that should have three states ("must have", GÇ£must not haveGÇ¥, GÇ£may haveGÇ¥). This is exactly the problem and could be easily fixed I think.
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Nadine Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:48:00 -
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It baffles me every day how a game, that has been in constant development for over 10 years, still has such broken core UI elements such as the overview. I don't even want to think about that laggy thing of an action bar... |
NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
496
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:44:00 -
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Wouldn't it work to make the war targets to gain the 'terrible standing' automaticly when the wars against someone goes active (and then it goes automaticly back to the standings the corps / alliances had before the war started) to somewhat fix this issue?
Or would that create other problems? Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
496
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Posted - 2014.07.30 22:33:00 -
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Anyone have anything to say / add about this?
Personally, i would like to get an answer from a CCP dev about this. Also if this is going to be fixed or not. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Lister Dax
McKnobbo Universal Traders
8
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:54:00 -
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Yes this is reeeeealy annoying! The overview needs some serios attention. I don't mind the look of it, just the functionality. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.07.31 10:54:00 -
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Rowells wrote:I thought there was an filter option for "is at war with you corporation". I still see blinky red stars (thats how it was default) that show up when i skitter through jita. Or am i completely off-base on what you are referring to?
Taht selection sometimes fail and do not show the wartargets. It triggers when you enter a system and will only fix when you jump out. It is rare.. but I face it once every month at least. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 10:58:00 -
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Where did your war targets go? Probably out of whichever hub you are currently sitting in. You see, outside of Jita and Amarr, there's thousands of other system with planets and moons and stars, and the rest of us play in those.
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Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
393
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:06:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Where did your war targets go? Probably out of whichever hub you are currently sitting in. You see, outside of Jita and Amarr, there's thousands of other system with planets and moons and stars, and the rest of us play in those.
Hope that helps.
What? Camping a hub all day long while my real life goes by is literally the most fun you can have in EVE!
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Muadd Dibb
Jovian Vengeance
15
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Where did your war targets go? Probably out of whichever hub you are currently sitting in. You see, outside of Jita and Amarr, there's thousands of other system with planets and moons and stars, and the rest of us play in those.
Hope that helps.
Blimmey Lucas that it such a lame post considering the OP's question. Obviously you not satisfied with mocking in C&P you had to bring that shite in General Discussion.
With regards to the OP yes the overview bug has been busted for quite sometime. In a war I would like to see as soon as war is declared the -10 automatically update to the overview.
Also the Kill right option should automatically show up and not having to select every char in the overview to see if they actually have a kill right.
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Marc Durant
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:31:00 -
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This has been around since the beginning of time and it never got sorted, because high sec wardecs don't mesh too well with the "we want more players so we'll allow for easier carebearing" which has been changing the game for years now, apart from that 0.0 sock puppet CSM don't care. Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3959
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:40:00 -
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Muadd Dibb wrote:Blimmey Lucas that it such a lame post considering the OP's question. Obviously you not satisfied with mocking in C&P you had to bring that shite in General Discussion. Don't blame me, blame pasta. It was their tears that summoned me to GD. Seeing a NightmareX post just demanded a response, and when the questions is "I can't find all of the noobs my alliance attacks", the response was obvious. And lets face it, the issue is that it's so cheap and easy to wardec noob corps that groups like marmi9te can wardec hundreds of them for practically nowt. If they only had 10 wars, the standings thing wouldn't be an issue. So it's a self inflicted issue. *shrug* The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3959
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:44:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:This has been around since the beginning of time and it never got sorted, because high sec wardecs don't mesh too well with the "we want more players so we'll allow for easier carebearing" which has been changing the game for years now, apart from that 0.0 sock puppet CSM don't care. Wow, such sad. So are you saying that if you wardec people who have zero chance of fighting back, you aren't a carebear? Just because your chosen reward is kill reports doesn't mean the wardeccers don't just farm kills in the same way a miner farms roids. Wardecs should actually matter, to both the aggressor and the defender. Right now they are just a way for PvPers too scared to move to low or null to fight people who have zero interest and experience in PvP. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Wardecs should actually matter, to both the aggressor and the defender. Why? That's certainly not CCPs view.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3959
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Posted - 2014.07.31 12:06:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Wardecs should actually matter, to both the aggressor and the defender. Why? That's certainly not CCPs view. Citation needed. They don;t matter now, but I don't think that's the way they are intended to be forever.
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Marc Durant
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Posted - 2014.07.31 12:22:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Marc Durant wrote:This has been around since the beginning of time and it never got sorted, because high sec wardecs don't mesh too well with the "we want more players so we'll allow for easier carebearing" which has been changing the game for years now, apart from that 0.0 sock puppet CSM don't care. Wow, such sad. So are you saying that if you wardec people who have zero chance of fighting back, you aren't a carebear? Just because your chosen reward is kill reports doesn't mean the wardeccers don't just farm kills in the same way a miner farms roids. Wardecs should actually matter, to both the aggressor and the defender. Right now they are just a way for PvPers too scared to move to low or null to fight people who have zero interest and experience in PvP.
Did you actually care to read what the OP is about? Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.07.31 12:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Citation needed. They don;t matter now, but I don't think that's the way they are intended to be forever.
You can use Google yourself to look up the Devblogs:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/changes-to-war-mechanics
Quote:Out of these speculations we came up with a few guidelines, which can be summarized as follows:
- Tighten the war system, so it becomes clear how wars start, proceed and end.
- Make war progression (i.e. how everyoneGÇÖs faring) more visible, both for strategic and status reasons.
- Make fighting wars a viable career path for dedicated mercenary corps.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.31 13:39:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Citation needed. They don;t matter now, but I don't think that's the way they are intended to be forever.
You can use Google yourself to look up the Devblogs: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/changes-to-war-mechanicsQuote:Out of these speculations we came up with a few guidelines, which can be summarized as follows:
- Tighten the war system, so it becomes clear how wars start, proceed and end.
- Make war progression (i.e. how everyoneGÇÖs faring) more visible, both for strategic and status reasons.
- Make fighting wars a viable career path for dedicated mercenary corps.
And none of it says "Make wars so pointless that you start up hundreds of them against noobs". Wars start for pretty much no reason, just on a whim, and they are often ignored or bypassed just as easily. Wars mean pretty much zip to the majority of the community.
The idea of the changes was to make it so that when corp A declares war on corp B, corp B can hire corp C to help them. What actually happens is Corp A declares on corp B, Corp C offers help for a fee, but are actually just corp A. Corps D, E and F all offer support with no intent of actually fighting in the war, just collecting the fee, while corp G decs all of the others because "why not". It's an enormously pointless system. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
497
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Posted - 2014.07.31 14:25:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Muadd Dibb wrote:Blimmey Lucas that it such a lame post considering the OP's question. Obviously you not satisfied with mocking in C&P you had to bring that shite in General Discussion. Don't blame me, blame pasta. It was their tears that summoned me to GD. Seeing a NightmareX post just demanded a response, and when the questions is "I can't find all of the noobs my alliance attacks", the response was obvious. And lets face it, the issue is that it's so cheap and easy to wardec noob corps that groups like marmi9te can wardec hundreds of them for practically nowt. If they only had 10 wars, the standings thing wouldn't be an issue. So it's a self inflicted issue. *shrug* If you don't understand the problem, can you please leave this topic?
Thank you.
EDIT: Or do you want me to get you kicked out of the whole alliance you are in this time as you suddenly got kicked out of the 'JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS [JSR1] from 2012.12.18 16:02 to 2014.07.24 17:46.' corp last time you had a massive rage against me?
Don't mess with me. Just sayin. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:28:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:If you don't understand the problem, can you please leave this topic? I do understand. you are crying because the war targets part of the overview doesn't work as expected in several situations, and you have too many wars set up from pretend clients to be able to use the normal workaround. I'd consider that user error.
NightmareX wrote:EDIT: Or do you want me to get you kicked out of the whole alliance you are in this time as you suddenly got kicked out of the 'JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS [JSR1] from 2012.12.18 16:02 to 2014.07.24 17:46.' corp last time you had a massive rage against me?
Don't mess with me. Just sayin. LOL. What was that about if you don't understand, please leave? Ever heard of a corp merge? Try taking a look at the corps on dotlan. Even better, you can see the post where I dunked Tora for spewing the same nonsense here.
I do love how you've jumped into a claim you had something to do with me changing corp only to be shown to be talking total rubbish. That's even better than Tora's "My inside intel says that...". Try again kiddo. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
249
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:42:00 -
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Reaching for the popcorn right now.....
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NightmareX
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
497
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:NightmareX wrote:If you don't understand the problem, can you please leave this topic? I do understand. You are crying because the war targets part of the overview doesn't work as expected in several situations, and you have too many wars set up from pretend clients to be able to use the normal workaround. I'd consider that user error. NightmareX wrote:EDIT: Or do you want me to get you kicked out of the whole alliance you are in this time as you suddenly got kicked out of the 'JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS [JSR1] from 2012.12.18 16:02 to 2014.07.24 17:46.' corp last time you had a massive rage against me?
Don't mess with me. Just sayin. LOL. What was that about if you don't understand, please leave? Ever heard of a corp merge? Try taking a look at the corps on dotlan. Even better, you can see the post where I dunked Tora for spewing the same nonsense here. I do love how you've jumped into a claim you had something to do with me changing corp only to be shown to be talking total rubbish. That's even better than Tora's "My inside intel says that...". Try again kiddo. You don't do empire wars so you don't know what i'm talking about. You have to do empire wars in populated trade hubs to see and feel the problem. Good luck on clicking on the war targets on the overview with 1 billion other neutrals in the mess there.
You are a crying 0.0 space carebear where you don't have the same issues as we do have, so keep staying incarebear heaven. So keep pretending that you are so genious. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
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