Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:25:00 -
[1] - Quote
Hello. Currently Third Party Policies (http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/) states that :
Quote: Real money trading Trading in-game items for real-life currency or services is NOT allowed under any circumstances.
At the same time EVE Online Terms of Service (http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/) states that :
Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
There is no information in TOS if people can sell those items for in game goods and currency , or they must sell out of game services for real money and just can advertise them.
Currently people interpret TOS that selling out of game services and goods for ISK is allowed - while in TOS there is no statement about in game currency for external goods.
Can we get statement from CCP?
For me point 11 states that in game i can promote services and goods that are only related to EVE Online, and i cannot sell them for ISK, but "out of game goods" for "out of game currency"
Thank you for your answer. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8248
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:30:00 -
[2] - Quote
This ought to be good. The last time they attempted to clarify the terms of service we were told that you can be banned for impersonating yourself.
I predict a lock, and you being told to file a ticket for it but to never tell anyone what the answer was. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:32:00 -
[3] - Quote
Sorry, but this is real question. I cannot share any answer i will get on my ticket with no one.
Many players sell out of game goods for in game goods. This is to clarify polices - i think official forum is best way to do it.
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10835
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:33:00 -
[4] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I predict a lock, and you being told to file a ticket for it but to never tell anyone what the answer was. You can tell people the answer just fine, you're simply not allowed to quote them verbatim. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10835
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:34:00 -
[5] - Quote
And considering there are many, many such services advertised for ISK payment on CCP's own official forum and CCP has never raised any kind of stink about it whatsoever it's pretty safe to say they consider it kosher. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
42
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:34:00 -
[6] - Quote
I agree that the Third Party Policies needs to be updated, especially considering that it's supposed to be the official guidelines for third party developers. Another thing that hasn't been updated is the cache scraping section:
Quote:We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.
...which clearly says that cache scraping is now a bannable offense. However, it is not currently considered a bannable offense as the devs have said in forum posts, and evident by the continued existence of many popular sites and programs that use cache scraping, yet CCP hasn't updated their policies with this stance. Some consistency in the published rules would be nice, especially those that concern whether an account can be banned or not. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8248
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 09:35:00 -
[7] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Sorry, but this is real question.
Oh, I know it is, and I entirely agree.
But the ToS is such a subjective mess that I doubt you will get a straight answer on the forums, as that immediately sets precedent for all to see.
Which is a bad thing apparently. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2343
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 10:11:00 -
[8] - Quote
Ask CCP Gargant tomorrow to relay your question to those who can answer it :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
|
Regnar Avastum
10
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 10:39:00 -
[9] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Hello. Currently Third Party Policies (http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/) states that : Quote: Real money trading Trading in-game items for real-life currency or services is NOT allowed under any circumstances. At the same time EVE Online Terms of Service (http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/) states that : Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes. There is no information in TOS if people can sell those items for in game goods and currency , or they must sell out of game services for real money and just can advertise them. Currently people interpret TOS that selling out of game services and goods for ISK is allowed - while in TOS there is no statement about in game currency for external goods. Can we get statement from CCP? For me point 11 states that in game i can promote services and goods that are only related to EVE Online, and i cannot sell them for ISK, but "out of game goods" for "out of game currency" Thank you for your answer.
Why the sudden anger and rampage on the sell forum against people that sell services for ISK? Did someone cross you or something?
On a side note, some clarification from ccp is not a bad thing. Since these services have been advertised on the sell forum for some time now, I'm pretty sure they're ok with it. I hope the answer to your question rustles your jimmies you brave forum warrior. Providing-áTrade/Manufacture/Research spreadsheets |
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:01:00 -
[10] - Quote
No one have crossed me. I code a bit myself , and noticed that you can make some isk from it. I just want to be sure that at some point all work i put in this will not be not made worthless by 1 fast clarification.
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
|
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23512
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:05:00 -
[11] - Quote
Third time in a week I have to post this quote GÇö is this some kind of epidemic?
GM Horse wrote:The only out-of-game services that may be sold for ISK are directly EVE related web services, such as killboard hosting, ventrilo/teamspeak servers, corporation website hosting, and such. No, you may not get your mate to wash your car for ISK, even if he will wear a EVE t-shirt in the process. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Regnar Avastum
11
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:07:00 -
[12] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote: I just want to be sure that at some point all work i put in this will not be not made worthless by 1 fast clarification.
If this would be the least bit true then you would not have reported every single thread in the sell forum that you think breaks this rule. And you would not have posted in said threads something in the line of: "Haha I have reported you".
And btw having discussions in the sell forum, posting something that is not a question, unrelated to the thread or "haha I have reported you" is breaking the "sell" forum rules ;). I find this particularly funny.
Cheers mate Providing-áTrade/Manufacture/Research spreadsheets |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
50
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:08:00 -
[13] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:No one have crossed me. I code a bit myself , and noticed that you can make some isk from it. I just want to be sure that at some point all work i put in this will not be not made worthless by 1 fast clarification.
no your not, your posting on other peoples long running threads with "RMT" cries and quoting little parts of a tos without looking into it all properly, so your either trying to sabotage other peoples businesses so you can steal customers or your just a forum warrior with nothing else to do EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
|
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:08:00 -
[14] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Third time in a week I have to post this quote GÇö is this some kind of epidemic? GM Horse wrote:The only out-of-game services that may be sold for ISK are directly EVE related web services, such as killboard hosting, ventrilo/teamspeak servers, corporation website hosting, and such. No, you may not get your mate to wash your car for ISK, even if he will wear a EVE t-shirt in the process.
Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. I don't think that this can be viable any more - during this time polices where reviewed and changed few times.
Check Point 11 of TOS.
Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
It looks almost the same like this post. Except for a part may be sold for ISK .
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
45
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:09:00 -
[15] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Third time in a week I have to post this quote GÇö is this some kind of epidemic? GM Horse wrote:The only out-of-game services that may be sold for ISK are directly EVE related web services, such as killboard hosting, ventrilo/teamspeak servers, corporation website hosting, and such. No, you may not get your mate to wash your car for ISK, even if he will wear a EVE t-shirt in the process. I wouldn't call it an epidemic when people can't find a five-year-old GM quote in an obscure thread. It also doesn't mention the sale of spreadsheets, which is clearly allowed now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23512
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:11:00 -
[16] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. Pretty much nothing has changed in the policies in this regard. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
28
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:14:00 -
[17] - Quote
The TOS needs more Pssssssssssssh! |
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:15:00 -
[18] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. Pretty much nothing has changed in the policies in this regard. Lot of things changed in case of : http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/
This policy also states:
Quote: Real money trading
Trading in-game items for real-life currency or services is NOT allowed under any circumstances.
Can we wait for CCP answer instead of arguing ? Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23512
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:17:00 -
[19] - Quote
Not in regards to RMT, no. EVE-related services have been allowed since roughly forever and do not count as GÇ£real-life currency or servicesGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
45
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:20:00 -
[20] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Not in regards to RMT, no. EVE-related services have been allowed since roughly forever and do not count as GÇ£real-life currency or servicesGÇ¥. What's allowed isn't the point, it's that we have to search through five years of CCP forum posts to find out. And that the official document about it, Third Party Policies, is just flat-out wrong. |
|
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2347
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:23:00 -
[21] - Quote
Tippia engaged, resistance is futile. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
|
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
195
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:27:00 -
[22] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. I don't think that this can be viable any more - during this time polices where reviewed and changed few times. Check Point 11 of TOS. Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes. It looks almost the same like this post. Except for a part may be sold for ISK .
Terms of Service state: REVISED: 9 September, 2013
"If the tool is used for EvE Online related service to be used with the game itself as a part or a supplement, you are allowed to sell it in-game for in-game currency."
That's the gist of what my ticket said about 8 months ago and nothing has changed in the ToS since. No, that's not a straight quote.
Edit: OP can you reveal what service or product you're going to sell, at least the basic concept if you can't go to specifics? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23513
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:36:00 -
[23] - Quote
Derrick Miles wrote:What's allowed isn't the point, it's that we have to search through five years of CCP forum posts to find out. And that the official document about it, Third Party Policies, is just flat-out wrong. No, it's not flat-out wrong. It is just not giving you every last detail (because CCP likes to reserve the right to interpret the rules and give players a flood of rubber paragraphs to abuse) but instead conveys a very simple and entirely accurate message: you may not RMT. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:47:00 -
[24] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:What's allowed isn't the point, it's that we have to search through five years of CCP forum posts to find out. And that the official document about it, Third Party Policies, is just flat-out wrong. No, it's not flat-out wrong. It is just not giving you every last detail (because CCP likes to reserve the right to interpret the rules and give players a flood of rubber paragraphs to abuse) but instead conveys a very simple and entirely accurate message: you may not RMT. Tell me how this quote from the Third Party Policies:
Quote:Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). isn't wrong. |
Anthar Thebess
616
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:51:00 -
[25] - Quote
Adrie Atticus wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. I don't think that this can be viable any more - during this time polices where reviewed and changed few times. Check Point 11 of TOS. Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes. It looks almost the same like this post. Except for a part may be sold for ISK . Terms of Service state: REVISED: 9 September, 2013 "If the tool is used for EvE Online related service to be used with the game itself as a part or a supplement, you are allowed to sell it in-game for in-game currency." That's the gist of what my ticket said about 8 months ago and nothing has changed in the ToS since. No, that's not a straight quote. Edit: OP can you reveal what service or product you're going to sell, at least the basic concept if you can't go to specifics?
Well, something that will pull all your assets from API, market data ... and tell that someone is playing on price of module X just spiked. So it is time to sell it.
More or less something like this ;) Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23513
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 11:57:00 -
[26] - Quote
Derrick Miles wrote:Tell me how this quote from the Third Party Policies: Quote:Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). isn't wrong. In what way is it wrong? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
195
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 12:00:00 -
[27] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Post from 2009 while so many things changed in the polices itself. I don't think that this can be viable any more - during this time polices where reviewed and changed few times. Check Point 11 of TOS. Quote:The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes. It looks almost the same like this post. Except for a part may be sold for ISK . Terms of Service state: REVISED: 9 September, 2013 "If the tool is used for EvE Online related service to be used with the game itself as a part or a supplement, you are allowed to sell it in-game for in-game currency." That's the gist of what my ticket said about 8 months ago and nothing has changed in the ToS since. No, that's not a straight quote. Edit: OP can you reveal what service or product you're going to sell, at least the basic concept if you can't go to specifics? Well, something that will pull all your assets from API, market data ... and tell that someone is playing on price of module X just spiked. So it is time to sell it. More or less something like this ;)
That sounds exactly like EvERefinery and is allowed. You can charge ISK for a service you describe, but you cannot solicit real money for the application. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 12:04:00 -
[28] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Tell me how this quote from the Third Party Policies: Quote:Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). isn't wrong. In what way is it wrong? Stating that cache scraping is not permitted and is a bannable offense doesn't strike you as wrong? You know that cache scraping is currently allowed? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23514
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 12:06:00 -
[29] - Quote
Derrick Miles wrote:Stating that cache scraping is not permitted and is a bannable offense doesn't strike you as wrong? No. As the rule says they may at their sole discretion deliver appropriate penalties. Just because they're using their discretion until proper CREST methods have been put in place does not mean it is allowed or that the policy is wrong.
Quote:You know that cache scraping is currently allowed? Do you have a source for this? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
|
Posted - 2014.07.29 12:18:00 -
[30] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Do you have a source for this? This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. And it is obviously contradictory with what is written in the Third Party Policies. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |