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Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
919
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:34:00 -
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Do you feel like 10m/s is enough for the Eagle? Today, on MWD an Eagle is 150m/s slower than a heavily plated Deimos and 200+ m/s slower than the longer range Cerberus.
Even with this +10m/s, you are only giving Eagle pilots one viable fit and in doing so reducing player choice. aka Jester, who apparently was once entrusted to Wield The Banhammer to good effect. |
Azure Rayl
Hedion University Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:35:00 -
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No drone bay for the Zealot, its so underpowered its not funny :( and the ishtar is still op as hell, how can you not see this? |
Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
23
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:36:00 -
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/5yUfi0k.png[/img]
Geddon seems totally balanced yo. |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
67
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:36:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:Ishtars are popular because of the old drone assist exploit FC's used in the past. So allot of people are using ishtars because of this. Nerfing them any more then what was already done is too much. Then you have the folks who have been destroyed by a small gang of ishtars complaining even though they brought kitchen sink fleet fitted for anoms to counter them. People are after the ishtar because it is the preferred ship due to its ability to deploy sentryGÇÖs and run around tricking the enemy to stay in the range of influence of the sentry guns. If you nerf the Ishtar the complaints will just move to the tengu or the demios. If you want to make a change try buffing web drones or nerfing sentry EHP.
Partially correct. Drone assist was a lot of the reason, however they are still very overpowered compared to their counterparts. Which other HAC does 670dps at 72k + 48k falloff? Or 752 dps at 41k + 18k falloff?
...while also having a decent tank and is capable of 1,500+ m/s?
I can't think of any...they are far too much into the realms of BS-level DPS and need addressing. The current plans do not go far enough however.
People are already complaining about the Tengu, not sure about the Deimos (really?), although Tengu's are not invincible by any means.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1634
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:37:00 -
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Mizhir wrote: One suggestion would be to remove or nerf the drone control range bonus forcing people to give up more fitting for an extra drone range thingy to use it as longrange sentry boat.
Good point. In addition, maybe fitting a drone damage mod should reduce your control range by 5km... +1 |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
10804
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:38:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Greygal wrote:Is there a timetable for the Ishtar and other HAC changes to go live? I.e., will these changes be going live before, during, or after the Alliance Tournament?
Thanks!
GG Hyperion's release date is September 23, 2014, so after the AT. According to the thread title, it says Hyperion. According to this and this, Hyperion's Release date is September 23rd. (which may be incorrect). Accoding to CCP Fozzie's recent tweet, it will go live on Aug 26th, in the middle of the Tourney. Is hyperion being moved up, is CCP Fozzie wrong, or can we please remove the "Hyperion" tag on this F&I post since it will be released PRIOR to Hyperion?
Hyperion is currently scheduled for August 26th and this change is scheduled for Hyperion. Note how the RPS article also has an incorrect date for Crius.
You can also find the accurate release schedule for the rest of this year's releases in CCP Seagull's dev blog here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ccp-seagull-becomes-executive-producer-for-eve-online/ Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
724
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:39:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:Ishtar: remove the sentry/heavy bonuses, replace with mediums. That's why they're wrecking everything. My Vagabond isn't sporting Cruise Missiles or 1200mm artillery. Take the BS weapon systems away from the medium size HAC, suddenly it's back in it's own weight class, still punching above it with powerful medium weapons, T2 resists, the extra operation range, etc. The change being proposed might as well not happen. People will drop whatever utility they had in their mids and pop on an extra Omni. Nerf un-nerfed. Tempest: Pull the high slot. The current 8-5-6 is pretty versatile; stop trying to force her into an armor tank. Read your own flavor text Evelopedia wrote:The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. She's primarily an artillery boat. 'Long range bombardment' with artillery requires low slots for gyros and TEs. If you want the Tempest to come back into play, pull the extra hi and give it to the mids. Now you've got a 7-6-6 with room for either tank, she's still versatile with a utility hi, the option to mount missiles, and still built to hammer the hell out of targets.
versatile doesn't mean artillery, and flavour text comes after game balance.
I obviously would favour a split weapons ship like the old phoon, but that's obviously not happening with all the split weapons hate and CCP incompetence. |
bundy bear
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:42:00 -
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Can we get the sacrileges spare high moved into the lows please. The ship is so damn underwhelming. |
Mister Vee
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:43:00 -
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How does 'we can update quickly now' translate to posting a change that won't go live for another month and won't change anything to begin with?
You could literally remove 2 sentry drones from the ishtar and people would still use them. Those three drones alone will still outdamage other hacs, still be able to choose damagetype, the ship will still be immune to one type of ewar (without the missile travel time disadvantage, mind).
The only downside to sentries is that they can be killed, but when that happens, the ishtar fleet will just disengage or deploy depots and refit. Super fun gameplay elements going on there~ |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
67
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:47:00 -
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bundy bear wrote:Can we get the sacrileges spare high moved into the lows please. The ship is so damn underwhelming.
It could use another low, but not at the expense of the 'spare' high. That high has a very good use. |
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Azure Rayl
Hedion University Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:48:00 -
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bundy bear wrote:Can we get the sacrileges spare high moved into the lows please. The ship is so damn underwhelming.
and for an armor tanking ship, i feel 5 lowslots isnt enough. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
724
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:50:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Do you feel like 10m/s is enough for the Eagle? Today, on MWD an Eagle is 150m/s slower than a heavily plated Deimos and 200+ m/s slower than the longer range Cerberus.
Even with this +10m/s, you are only giving Eagle pilots one viable fit and in doing so reducing player choice.
surely the slowest race should actually be the slowest? something else that bugs me is on some of their ships, CCP give them reduced sig radius, to make up for having to shield tank. it all just defeats the point. |
Azure Rayl
Hedion University Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:50:00 -
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Azure Rayl wrote:bundy bear wrote:Can we get the sacrileges spare high moved into the lows please. The ship is so damn underwhelming. and for an armor tanking ship, i feel 5 lowslots isnt enough, especially being a HAC.
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Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
80
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:51:00 -
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Sister Bliss wrote:Which other HAC does 670dps at 72k + 48k falloff? Or 752 dps at 41k + 18k falloff? But sentries are oh so vulnerable! Wait a minute... A typical Ishtar sports 80k EHP, which is fine. But it can field at least 15 sentries, 8k EHP each. And it's whooping 120k EHP. I'd suggest reducing base sentry EHP and/or remove drone HP bonus for Ishtar. |
Cherry Yeyo
19
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:51:00 -
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Yo Rise, the reason for battleships being the way they are, meaning, not being fielded in large numbers by anyone except the CFC if they can hug a pos or station is because of bombers.
Bombers are and have been in a ridiculous state for a while now
Its so easy to bomb and wipe out an entire fleet that more and more people are multiboxing bomber squads themselves. |
Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team
64
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:51:00 -
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Duckslayer wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/5yUfi0k.png[/img]
Geddon seems totally balanced yo.
How about you put 800's in your cap booster instead of 25s unless you are tying to make it missleading.
after looking at that fit further I have no idea what you are trying to get across with that? No skills either being used.
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Mr Rive
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
49
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:53:00 -
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Changing the speed and tracking slightly won't change anything friend, ishtars are still going to be able to volley stuff from insane distances without the fleet ever not having the opportunity to disengage. Improving the speed of the other HAC's does nothing for the ishtar fleet comp, as no one in their right mind would use those HAC's to try and counter them.
That's why you need to look at battleships, because battleships are the only real ships that have the buffer to tank the insane volley from sentry drones. Right now, to do it properly, the only realistic battleship you can use against them is the navy apoc, as the apoc doesn't tank well enough and the abaddon doesnt get the range to be effective. |
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:54:00 -
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Rather than lowering the optimal/tracking bonus on the Ishtar how about having it apply to heavy drones only?
o7 Drac |
SuperSpy00bob
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:55:00 -
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Do what you did to the Muninn, steal a high for a low. There's already a ton of 4-mid battleships, stealing a mid from the Tempest will kill it's versatility, which frankly is about the only thing it has.
IMO, either buff the crap out of it's gun bonus in lieu of (or until) reworking projectiles, or make it 7/5/7 so it's can still have some versatile fittings that aren't the same mwd/point/web/injector/armor tank fits that half of every other BS hull uses. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2749
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:56:00 -
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why would you balance something in the middle of a running tournament? Does the new release cycle make it impossible to ship changes between releases? eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
279
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:58:00 -
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Actually, keep the Ishtar exactly how it is.
WTB 800DPS out to 50km Vagabond with the same tank and speed pls
rise pls -áFear The Tribes |
Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
23
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:58:00 -
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Fredric Wolf wrote:Duckslayer wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/5yUfi0k.png[/img]
Geddon seems totally balanced yo. How about you put 800's in your cap booster instead of 25s unless you are tying to make it missleading. after looking at that fit further I have no idea what you are trying to get across with that? No skills either being used. Its a ship that with 6 days of training you can get in. Its a noble idea by my alliance to get newbies into something useful for cap fights almost instantly. The fit gets fed cap by carriers, but you can put 800s in the cap booster too. Its supposed to be a no skill fit Look how ridiculously useful it is in comparison to any other 6 day old battleship fit you care to work
My point was more "CCP Rise is terrible at balance" as that is his baby right there. A bit cryptic im sorry |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
80
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:59:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:Its so easy to bomb and wipe out an entire fleet I'm sure you did it many times, wouldn't be a problem to link your killboard. Or would it? Bomber were there for ages, and for ages there were large BS fleets. If a fleet has a proper anti-bomber support, it's close to impossible to bomb them. |
Blueclaws
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
4
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:00:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:PS - how would you feel about an 8/4/7 Tempest?
I think it has good versitility as it is and that is key to it. Maybe add one or two turret hard points?
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Ugly Eric
Fistful of Finns Triumvirate.
59
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:01:00 -
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The ishtar is still going to be way OP. As mister Vee couple of posts above stated, that you could remove 2 sentries of it and it still would be used is a good point. Especially with the lowslot drone tracking enchancer coming. Whitch will effectively just neglate the nerf on shield ishtars.
Make all the cruiser size droneboats have medium drone bonuses. Not heavy nor sentry. Like Gila, but with 5 drones. Having BS sized weapon bonuses to aply BS damage and range to a cruiser just makes no sence whatsoever.
Gila was a good example of how the medium drones are actually good now. So take the experience of this and imply to Ishtars and navy vexors. Then the Domi would be OP fleetship again over everything else, but I feel you aint got what it takes to change sentries alltogether.
Leave the tempest alone! Is currently iirc the only BS with 2 utility highs. 8-5-6 Is a good slot layout. Just tune the bonuses a bit.
Also with the TE nerf you nerfed the entire minmatar boatline. So pls fix this, so projectiles get useful again.
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Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
400
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:03:00 -
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Hi Rise
Have you considered giving the munin a few extra mids? While it is tagged as a shield ship its extremely hard to use it in small gang PVP because of he 3 mids. My Opinions are my own and do not reflect my corp Host of Down The Pipe-á www.downthepipe-wh.com Ingame Channel DTP Podcast |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
879
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:04:00 -
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Hey Rise, any work on making the medium sentries we discussed at Fanfest? |
Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
23
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:04:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:why would you balance something in the middle of a running tournament? Does the new release cycle make it impossible to ship changes between releases?
not empty quoting.
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sten mattson
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
73
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:05:00 -
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still sad the baddon and apoc havent seen some love mainly with capacitor and fitting (and damage for apoc, but thats another story)
also still think the zealot needs bigger cargobay (my coercer got bigger cargo than the zealots 240m3 cargobay) and a flight of small drones
otherwise the changes look stellar. IMMA FIRING MA LAZAR!!! |
Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
23
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:06:00 -
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Ugly Eric wrote:The ishtar is still going to be way OP. As mister Vee couple of posts above stated, that you could remove 2 sentries of it and it still would be used is a good point. Especially with the lowslot drone tracking enchancer coming. Whitch will effectively just neglate the nerf on shield ishtars.
Make all the cruiser size droneboats have medium drone bonuses. Not heavy nor sentry. Like Gila, but with 5 drones. Having BS sized weapon bonuses to aply BS damage and range to a cruiser just makes no sence whatsoever.
Gila was a good example of how the medium drones are actually good now. So take the experience of this and imply to Ishtars and navy vexors. Then the Domi would be OP fleetship again over everything else, but I feel you aint got what it takes to change sentries alltogether.
Leave the tempest alone! Is currently iirc the only BS with 2 utility highs. 8-5-6 Is a good slot layout. Just tune the bonuses a bit.
Also with the TE nerf you nerfed the entire minmatar boatline. So pls fix this, so projectiles get useful again.
Pretty sure the lowslot TE for drones is out already, or i fit something hideous to my ishtar yesterday |
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