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Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:45:00 -
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Hey all! Need a little help - I'm doing some exploration, and... I'm only finding wormholes and LOTS AND LOTS of combat sites. Currently flying a Magnate trying to get towards this build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxioo5usaQ&index=1&list=FLxoHXKPReL10nDXaF0hO6Tg . On my way with that but. First. Combat sites... should I just go for them? Or will I get blown up pretty quick? Nervous of entering or what to enter in! Wormholes... heard they're scary. And that sites have HARD NPCs... Woot. And then there's another thing - I CAN'T FIND ANY DAMN RELIC OR DATA SITES! Why is this? WHY? I'm looking in 0.5 systems with 1 or 0 pilots in the last half-hour! Travelling HUGE distances!! I don't want to enter low sec space till I have a cloak - which I don't yet. NO WHERE NEAR YET. Should I sell my ships from tutorials to get money for the cloaking? If so where should I sell them? Man... So many questions. The one who tackles them I will greatly appreciate! Hey - mentor anyone? :P |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:14:00 -
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Wormholes/combat sites do seem to be rather common. Data sites and relic sites get picked through a lot faster. I'm not sure where you're doing your exploration, but try to stay away from populated areas like Caldari space. You might have better luck in low at some greater risk.
In reference to combat sites, I wouldn't try them in a frigate. I'd say at least a cruiser but I lack to experience to really make that call.
Cloaks might seem a little pricey but soon enough a few million ISK won't be a terrible problem for you. Mining is a stable, if slow, source of income to fund your early exploration. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:40:00 -
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There's nothing you can do besides heading to less populated systems.
it's all random. If you're in a highly populated system then it's more likely someone ran them all already but it looks like you already know that so just keep going.
The combat sites can be doable in something like a destroyer without TOO much trouble in most cases. The WHs are as deadly as they say, I suggest avoiding them until you have a cruiser or BC. The Drake is a Lie |
Tallas Shouna
Miners League of Exploration Coalition
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Posted - 2014.07.29 22:39:00 -
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I am new as well, however I have been exploring ever since I graduated the tutorials. Like the others said they are random. I had the same frustration when I started. Then I did my first data site and scored 36 mil in one module. Data and relics are harder to find. And if you do find them you have to be wary of the ninjas. They will come in and steal your hard work.
What was suggested to me was a cargo scanner. Holy **** man, that was the best advice. You can quickly scan to find the valuable loot making it that much quicker. I started out on a magnate as well. As that is my race. What I found though was that relic/data sites are few, so instead of just focusing on one I do both. Well with the magnates 3 mid slots you have to pick and choose what you equip. I trained over to the Imicus. It has 4 mid slots and more drone bandwidth. The 4 mid slots allow me to use an after burner, data analyzer, relic analyzer and a scanner. This has helped tremendously in exploring. Plus I salvage on the side.
Off you have trained and can equip an extended probe launcher you can use it to find drones that people abandon. While this won't male you millions it does build up a nice drone inventory. I have used this as a business opportunity to my corp mates. Sell to them so they don't have to travel around to get their drones. Just an idea.
Wormholes......stay away from. Being the curious cat I am I went to a wormhole to do a data site. I knew it was suicide bit I had to find out what it was like. Exhilarating, followed by a huge explosion, followed by me spamming the warp button to get my pod out. Success. My suggestion, is to stay away until you are up there in ships.
Also with the wormhole, after I left in my pod a player messaged me and said that he was watching me the whole time. He said he had multiple cloaked characters around there. The only reason he didn't unclpak was that he saw I was only a couple weeks old. He ended up giving me about 15 mil isk to help me build up a good exploration fleet. And I made a new friend.
Sorry it is so long but do not get discouraged. If you find you can't find data or relic sites have fun in other ways. Use combat probes to find people, then warp right on top of them. The warp away. It's funny to watch miners jet when someone warps in. O don't do it to be mean or anything. Just some cat and mouse fun.
Enjoy.
Edit...forgot. if you want to venture into low sec it's great reward. You don't need a cloak just be wary of dscan, local, and your probes if you have some deployed. Go to systems with little to no activity. You don't need a cloak. I've ran two data sites in low. Perfectly fine.
If you are staying with explo, sell any shops you don't need. Maybe keep one or two combats just in case. But sell the rest. Anywhere is fine really. Reprocessing o have found gets you more isk if you can reprocess it. Just my opinion though. The veterans can say more. Bit I suggest investing in a cloak so you can do more low sec sites. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.30 01:44:00 -
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Due to the massive amount of competition in high sec, researching the Starmap for system stats will help a lot. Along with looking for systems with low amount of activity (Population, Jumps, Kills, etc), look for systems that are away from the major Trade / Mission hubs, preferably deadend systems. Be prepared to do some traveling for better chance of finding exploration sites. That includes scanning and completing them asap.
As for the Combat sites, there's 2 different classifications - Anomaly and Signature. The Anomaly combat site is usually passed over whereas the Signature combat site is mainly sought after for Faction / Deadspace loot.
You're probably finding a lot of Anomaly combat sites and Signature worm-hole sites due to the aforementioned massive amount of competition in high sec. Don't get me wrong, Anomaly combat sites aren't a complete waste of time to run. They just have a small chance to spawn Commander NPC's which might drop Faction / Deadspace loot and an even smaller chance to escalate into expedition.
As for the Signature combat sites, they have a much greater chance to spawn Commander NPC's holding Faction / Deadspace loot as well as escalate into expedition.
I'd say probably the best advice is to do some research. Evelopedia has plenty of specific exploration site reports as well as info guides available which can be very helpful, including this Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide.
Good luck
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Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.30 07:35:00 -
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Thanks for the help guys! Really appreciate it! Thinking I'm just going to venture into some quiet low-sec... :D |
Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.30 13:08:00 -
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To all who don't give a **** - I found a data site! GOT MULCHED BY ANOTHER PLAYER. Ahhh EVE.... I've met your true self at last... |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.07.30 13:18:00 -
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Yesterday I prayed for wh, all I got were data/relic/combats. But I explore from my couch at POS so can't complain much :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.30 13:22:00 -
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The problem with HS exploration is that they get picked over very fast. Your best bet if you want to do exploration in highsec is to find a very out of the way location, preferably a HS island or something similar. BTW dont ignore the combat sites. If they happen to be DED sites they can be very profitable and are relatively easy. Way back when, I used to live in a hs island where a DED 4 would regularly spawn. While drops are random, they could easily be in 100-200mil range which was a lot of isk for a new player. Kept my pvp habit more then filled. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:03:00 -
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Another approach is to seek out k-k wormholes into low or nullsec - more of these were added in Crius. Stick your nose through, and if there's no-one in Local, you can safely look for sites there, then try and infer from the starmap if nearby systems are clear.
Once you get out of High you will want to switch to something other than a Magnate with enough midslots for a cargo scanner. The other three T1 explorers are much of a muchness - either you get a scan augmenting midslot, or an extra nano in a low slot. (It doesn't matter in high because you want to crack even empty cans in high to get practice at the minigame). |
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Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:32:00 -
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Guad Stradavari wrote:To all who don't give a **** - I found a data site! GOT MULCHED BY ANOTHER PLAYER. Ahhh EVE.... I've met your true self at last...
If you are going to explore in lowsec - presume that the residents of a system have already scanned out and bm the sites. Chances are you will not get any warning before a sb decloaks and points you. So you need to either make friends with the locals or skip the systems that are overtly occupied. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:54:00 -
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Staten Island wrote:If you are going to explore in lowsec - presume that the residents of a system have already scanned out and bm the sites. Chances are you will not get any warning before a sb decloaks and points you.
I was pondering the numbers on this, and align times on a T1 explorer with all nanos are very similar to the lockon time from a SB to a T1 explorer. Anything but a bomber, though, and if you are blessed with the ability to watch overview constantly you ought to be away before their targetting delay has run out. If. |
Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:54:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Staten Island wrote:If you are going to explore in lowsec - presume that the residents of a system have already scanned out and bm the sites. Chances are you will not get any warning before a sb decloaks and points you. I was pondering the numbers on this, and align times on a T1 explorer with all nanos are very similar to the lockon time from a SB to a T1 explorer. Anything but a bomber, though, and if you are blessed with the ability to watch overview constantly you ought to be away before their targetting delay has run out. If.
nope. Especially since your screen is filled with the minigame. And dont assume that stabs will help you. I run with a sb that has two scrams. I have friends who use faction scrams for additional points.
Sorry I misread. Your right - anything other then a bomber and if you are paying attention you have a reasonable chance of getting out. - but given that you are playing with the minigame - you are often distracted - so its dicey, to explore in a system in lowsec when there are other people you dont know about. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:02:00 -
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Staten Island wrote:nope. Especially since your screen is filled with the minigame. And dont assume that stabs will help you. I run with a sb that has two scrams. I have friends who use faction scrams for additional points.
I've got enough screen real estate to see Local, Overview, and the minigame, actually (although my personal approach is more to try and hack cans with no-one in Local, these days), so if I had a third eye on a stalk with its own bit of brain I could easily watch the overview all the time. That raises the next question, of the speediest way to initiate a warp to "somewhere else". My feeling is to keep people and places open and click into that.
I always recommend fellow explorers to do without stabs. Not only is every stab slot not a nano, but it absolutely ruins your ability to peek inside cans (as you know, but the OP might find it useful) at a distance. |
Silver Dagger Kondur
Element Underground Lawful Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:18:00 -
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low or null has better prizes, it seems.
an absolute must to keep local open, especially in low or null. someone appears and a couple minutes later, a group, jump out now!
keeping aligned with whatever you're using to escape to is essential. (playing the data or relic game? align, cut speed, helps more than a little.) that pretty much nullifies the need for nanofiber or inertial stabilizers...
zipping around in low or null uncloaked is a bad idea. |
Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.01 20:33:00 -
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Well found lots of sites now in low-low sec. BUT CAN'T GET THE DAMN SIGNAL STRENGTH TO ME THAN 64%. Ridiculous. Probes only go to 0.25 AU no smaller. DAMN IT so basically - hi sec exploration sites already taken. Don't have the skills or isk for the skillbooks for low-sec. Back to mission running - exactly what I DIDN't want to do. Ergh... |
Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:19:00 -
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Ok guys - this is going to sound VERY bad. But I'm disappearing for 10 days on business. I don't have the isk for astrometic range finding. If someone could send me the skill, or 444,000 isk - you would LITERALLY be an absolute life saver. I can then get that skill training for when I get back. God that's so low... Still! If you don't ask you don't get ey? If not... eh. I just ruined my reputation. BUT I'M AN EVE NOOB. SO nobody cares anyway! Tah all. Don't judge too harshly! (PLEASE!) |
Guad Stradavari
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:30:00 -
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Actually ignore that guys - that's TOO LOW. And apparently there's one selling for 45000 in Domain - hopefully I have to time to travel tomorrow! Hopefully I don't die on the way! XD |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 10:22:00 -
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Guad Stradavari wrote:Well found lots of sites now in low-low sec. BUT CAN'T GET THE DAMN SIGNAL STRENGTH TO ME THAN 64%. Ridiculous. Probes only go to 0.25 AU no smaller. DAMN IT so basically - hi sec exploration sites already taken. Don't have the skills or isk for the skillbooks for low-sec. Back to mission running - exactly what I DIDN't want to do. Ergh...
Leaving aside the begging, I suspect this is an error of technique not skills. You don't need a great deal to do better than 64% on a typical lowsec signal. |
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