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Wenda M'mbala
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.31 05:43:00 -
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I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically:
- Is it too much logistics for a single person?
- Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey.
- Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status).
EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b. |
Alina Emily
The Needs Of The Few The Needs Of The Few Many
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:01:00 -
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Wenda M'mbala wrote:I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically:
- Is it too much logistics for a single person?
- Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey.
- Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status).
EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b.
I am drinking.
1) No, if you are a serious solo player, it can be done, hands down, and you will enjoy it very much, for a day or two.
2) You are a small corp. Your role IS to be abused, ganked, camped, trolled and beaten down like a red headed step child.
3) No, you can not cover the fees unless you play 8-10 hours erryday, with decent SP toons that can run sites etc.
Bless your heart for the thought. You can try it, and make some progress, but you will fail.
Good Luck! |
Kelaian Stareine
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:02:00 -
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I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint.
And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
884
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:09:00 -
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Just ninja rat / anomaly / plex nullsec. No need to rent space unless you want to build Supers.. . |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:14:00 -
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You will ruin anything you enjoy about the game trying to make a renters quota by yourself.
I suggest you just get yourself your ships and fits, and solo roam through that area, it can be done much more easily than renting by yourself.
Although I suggest a ship with a cloaking device. Helps with not getting gakked by the locals. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:15:00 -
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It's a lot of work as a 1-man corp. If you are a student, part-time employed and not in a relationship, yeah it's feasible.
Ex. An Ishtar in a -0.37 system with Guristas rats can do about 90 million isk income per hour once you grind to milspec 5 which will take a few days of really dedicated solo ratting. If rent is ~3bil and you need a tower to live out of you'll need to rat for about 12 hours per week to break even. You'd want a ship with a jump drive to deliver fuel and all that fun stuff as well. Do you have it? |
Kelaian Stareine
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:18:00 -
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If you have 2-3 toons get all of them in remote repping tengus and steal DED sites from the local renters. But be warned, renters will get mad enough at their blues for running DED sites that the renters themselves don't even have the capability to run, so they will be even more angry with a neutral doing their DED sites. You will make enough isk to PLEX your accounts easily, just try to keep a low profile and do DED sites in quieter pockets.
Doing this also will be logistically challenging because you can't put the loot in a station when you are done, its up to you to get it to jita or wherever to sell it. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:40:00 -
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I highly recommend you put those wormhole skills to use.
Fly to null in an interceptor or interdiction nullified T3, then probe around until you find a wormhole. Probe down a chain to highsec (if it's covered in hostiles, look for another). Then, use that wormhole chain to get a reasonably priced PVE ship out to null and start stealing those anomolies and sites.
Finally, when done, refit in space to a cloak, scout your WH chain again with your off-account alt, and if it is still safe, go back to empire.
No need to fund PL or Goons' next Titan purchase. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1130
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Posted - 2014.07.31 06:53:00 -
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Kelaian Stareine wrote:I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint.
And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting.
When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there.
I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out.
Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null. |
Tamas Bekker
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:03:00 -
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Im tinkering with the idea of moving solo down to npc null sec (where i assume i wouldnt have to rent because ive been here a few days and its dead) . Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris
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Kelaian Stareine
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:04:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Kelaian Stareine wrote:I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint.
And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there. I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out. Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null.
3b a month in DED sites, when your rent and pos fuel is going to be at least half that, if not up to the full amount due to the tarded greater western renter rules/terms. It is pretty silly to pay that much a month so you can log in every day and pray to CCP that a combat DED is going to spawn in your system, when you can just as easily ninja DED sites from empty systems or systems where renter bears are just going to perma dock up when they see a non blue in local.
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Grainsalt
6-10s Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:10:00 -
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It can be easily done. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:12:00 -
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Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Kelaian Stareine
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:32:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome.
Lucas more or less has the idea. If you don't fleet up, you get **** on as a renter. Just fleet up and pvp when you are needed to avoid the heavy price of being a renter. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:38:00 -
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Kelaian Stareine wrote:Tauranon wrote:Kelaian Stareine wrote:I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint.
And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there. I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out. Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null. 3b a month in DED sites, when your rent and pos fuel is going to be at least half that, if not up to the full amount due to the tarded greater western renter rules/terms. It is pretty silly to pay that much a month so you can log in every day and pray to CCP that a combat DED is going to spawn in your system, when you can just as easily ninja DED sites from empty systems or systems where renter bears are just going to perma dock up when they see a non blue in local.
There is exactly 1 regular content ninja I see, he loses 2 months of 'rent' every time he loses a tengu and he bases out of geminate renter space anyway because of docking rights, allies, jump freighter services, intel etc. Most t3s are in fact not very random, they are heavy tackle and cyno fitted, and called on Intel as such
My pos bill and part of my rent is paid for by goo, and if nothing spawns then I gun probe anomolies. FYI it's 75m an hour even if I find nothing, and even if it wasn't on that basis, having a pvp hull on demand in the pos in a stationless system is worth the fuel bill in fun.
I see a whole of yapping about ninjas but so few actual ninja pilots that I'd suggest people actually don't want to put up with some of crap associated with it, you get good times and streaks of wtf do I do this for. I've effectively been deployed since April, no overhead tasks of more than a few minutes in that time, and I've not lost a plex boat at all. There are many people who just do not ever want to lose such a ship, which is probably another reason that's it's not as popular as you would expect. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:43:00 -
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Grr gon
Grr nullsec
Blue donut, etc.... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 09:27:00 -
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If you a 20 char ishboxer, yeah, it's worth. Unless someone finds you. |
Gordin Brott
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:28:00 -
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Find a nice, empty part of nullsec by checking the pilots in space setting on the starmap, and go there. There are areas of null where you won't see another pilot for 6 jumps or more. Just slip something like a Stratios or cloaky Tengu in through the back (wormhole) door. If somebody decides to interfere, just go somewhere else. 90% of nullsec is empty and unexploited. |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
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Posted - 2014.07.31 12:54:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Just ninja rat / anomaly / plex nullsec. No need to rent space unless you want to build Supers..
This
A one man corp has a snowballs chance in hell of defending a system they may rent.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but I know of no alliance rental that covers you defense, upkeep or logistics. You "could" hire a merc corp for protection if needed, but now you are no longer solo and in debt for several billion isk a month for rental fees and protection.
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Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.31 13:49:00 -
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I solo rent and make about 600m a day for 1.5~ hrs work on 2 accounts. On top of that I have 4 total accounts that each make about 1.2-1.3b on PI materials, and then I get about 600m from moon goo.
If you don't even account for isk I make daily when I pve for 1-1.5 hrs... the PI + MoonGoo yield 5.3b isk alone.
That pays rent + an extra 2bil left over. I make about 12bil isk a month playing 1-1.5hrs of pve over the course of 20 days.. (I don't really play on weekends because family and such.
The blue donut is easily the safest part of EvE.. isk is far more consistent than anywhere in high sec, provided you know how to avoid roams and just do something else when they come around. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7417
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Posted - 2014.07.31 14:08:00 -
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Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP.
That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them). |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.07.31 14:31:00 -
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Kelaian Stareine wrote:I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps Then why are you replying to this thread? Bokononist
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Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.31 14:41:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP.
That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them).
I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)
FW was fun, but the crowd there is often... difficult to et along with with corps eating other corps and side flopping.
My next foray will be in to WH's but in the meantime renting while waiting for scanning skills to get done across 6 pilots is a pretty decent use of my time. |
Qalix
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:01:00 -
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There seems to be a focus on ratting. When you rent a system, everything in it is yours except for R64/32/and some 16s.
I don't rent solo; I'm in a corp with others (but still not that many people total). However, with just 2 characters with 4s in PI skills, you can pull in 1 billion in basic PI without any trouble. With more characters and/or better skills, that number goes up fast. If you're in a solo corp, you can bring hordes of cheap alts if you'd like to pump things up. Depending on what you do and what kind of scenario you're running, you can always put low taxes and collect ISK from neighbors who want to a bit of PI in your system.
All the moons are yours as well, so you can harvest moon goo if any is present (i highly recommend you send in a scanning alt prior to making a final committment).
Of course the ratting (whatever its form) is constant and consistent. If you're solo, you don't actually need a full on mil index and all that. Just two hordes/sanctums will allow you to bounce back and forth.
If you mine, that's an option too. If you're doing something else and you want a minimum attention activity, switch over from ratting to mining.
You can build things at POS, as well as compression/refine.
If you have a station (which seems unlikely given the expense, still though...), you have lots of options. Not least of which is running a market from your station. This is an often overlooked aspect of rental space activity. In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin.
Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price. |
Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:22:00 -
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Qalix wrote: Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price.
^ this is key. Take a neut that can scan moons; see what systems are available to rent, and see what moons they have in them. This can really make or break the 'ease' of renting. Pay attention to the planets as well as PI alts can effectively pay the rent themselves. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6346
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:45:00 -
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Qalix wrote:In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin. Eh.
Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby.
CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Qalix
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
290
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Qalix wrote:In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin. Eh. Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby. CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station. BoT also has JF services that operate through hubs. Like everything, though, there is a charge and there is a wait. Given a choice between a quick 5 jump trip to the "store" and a god-knows-how-long wait for a courier, many people prefer the short trip.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6346
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Posted - 2014.07.31 16:41:00 -
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I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Qalix
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
290
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Posted - 2014.07.31 16:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs. My original point was about setting up a market in rental space, not his particular hauling needs.
BTW 3 accounts is more than enough to run your own logistics. BoT allows the use of other renter's cyno towers, so you might get away with even less. |
Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.31 17:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs.
I use my own JF =./ |
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