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Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2737
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome.
That's just what I did. Now I'm rich. Still not awesome though.
OP: Since you are comfortable in wormholes, you could get a nice hole, even a C1 since you don't really care about the wormhole itself, with a nullsec static. Then every day, just jump out and rat it up. The nice thing is you get bounties for killing the rats. You don't have to salvage the rats and haul to Jita to get paid. And with the wh you have a place to retreat to as well as a new ns system every day.
But you should also just consider joining one of the established ns alliances. I've had nothing but fun in my 2 months since joining the CFC. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2738
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:01:00 -
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Calvin Recline wrote:
I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)
I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill.
I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun.
So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1950
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:05:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Calvin Recline wrote:
I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me)
I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill. I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun. So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want. Pap link? |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:21:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill.
I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun.
So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want.
Pap link? Way to completely miss the point my carbohydrate poisoned friend.
Malcolm: as a new guy to the CFC myself, I can definitely agree with your statements. The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. That being said, I have a feeling that if I'd have joined as anything other than a pvp pilot, they wouldn't give a rat's ass if I shot another ship or not. One question though: when does this rich factor kick in? I've been here a month, and can just barely afford a couple of Dreads. #firstworldproblems |
Budan Kado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.31 20:21:00 -
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Wenda M'mbala wrote:I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically:
- Is it too much logistics for a single person?
- Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey.
- Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status).
EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b.
You can do it. I would suggest renting from NA/Bot instead of CFC. CFC has great deals, but their renter space if full of cloaking cyno alts. Its not really worth it at this point. NA/Bot have so much space you can find a nice quiet system where no one wants to travel for ganks.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6347
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Posted - 2014.07.31 20:22:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6347
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Posted - 2014.07.31 20:25:00 -
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Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared
grr gon renters ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.31 21:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared
grr gon renters
To be fair, the cyno cloaks in cfc renter space isn't so much a myth. I went jumping through to check out space before i secured my current rental contract and there were by far more campers in cfc renter space than the other 2 primary renters.
I'd have rented from cfc other wise. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6348
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:04:00 -
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Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:13:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots. Interesting. It's been my experience with every corp I've joined, though I haven't been in many (three were nullsec based) over my two years in Eve. It was always something akin to "are you here to shoot people, or space rocks?" I have noticed that the CFC seems to handle damn near everything differently than everyone else in Eve though, so perhaps it shouldn't shock me. |
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Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion.
because everything else I have added to the conversation has been incorrect, right?
These were my observations. The difference in 'open' spots in NA/boT renter space is just vastly different than CfC renter space. Killboards show as much. |
Budan Kado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion.
Please point to the rules that state "Post with the character on your account with the most SP" or "Post with your main". There isnt one and just because I use a market alt to post with dosent mean I dont know what I am talking about.
CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact.
Then again, when you are wrong the first thing you do is try to discredit the poster instead of actually saying "yes, our renter space is full of cyno alts at this time. We are trying to fix this situation." or presenting facts that dispute the poster.
Also, please have someone from your renter alliance do the public relations, you are doing nothing but pushing people way that would rent from you which is expected from a person that had to pay 10 bux to join an internet spaceship guild. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1952
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Posted - 2014.08.01 00:41:00 -
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Budan Kado wrote: CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Sphere http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. Pay particular attention to the slopes of the respective 'Members' graphs. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5762
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Posted - 2014.08.01 00:57:00 -
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Budan Kado wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. Please point to the rules that state "Post with the character on your account with the most SP" or "Post with your main". There isnt one and just because I use a market alt to post with dosent mean I dont know what I am talking about. CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. Then again, when you are wrong the first thing you do is try to discredit the poster instead of actually saying "yes, our renter space is full of cyno alts at this time. We are trying to fix this situation." or presenting facts that dispute the poster. Also, please have someone from your renter alliance do the public relations, you are doing nothing but pushing people way that would rent from you which is expected from a person that had to pay 10 bux to join an internet spaceship guild.
I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Serene Repose
1458
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Posted - 2014.08.01 01:05:00 -
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Wenda M'mbala wrote:I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically:
- Is it too much logistics for a single person?
- Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey.
- Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status).
EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b. It depends on how big an army you can raise. Seems to me charging rent, and collecting rent are two different matters. Maybe you fail to realize the "rental" system in EVE is more like a protection racket run by the mafia. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1952
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Posted - 2014.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Budan Kado wrote:
CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact.
I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc Three weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post). |
Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.08.01 02:04:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npcThree weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post).
Don't you dare go using facts and logic against the CFC; spinning those two things isn't a possibility so they'll get you banned instead!
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2017
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Posted - 2014.08.01 02:15:00 -
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Instead of renting and getting cloaky camped 24/7, go do anything you want in Goon space.
They're desperate trying to get their people to log in, and if you can bring more then 5 people you'll have lots of time before they can gather 900 F1 monkeys to deal with you. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2014.08.01 03:01:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Instead of renting and getting cloaky camped 24/7, go do anything you want in Goon space.
They're desperate trying to get their people to log in, and if you can bring more then 5 people you'll have lots of time before they can gather 900 F1 monkeys to deal with you. I support this man's idea...even if there was way too much hurfblurf in the second paragraph. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2014.08.01 08:51:00 -
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seriously not worth it. especially at the extortionate prices. Alliances price these based on a corporation constantly raking isk 24/7
tbh if it was up to me renting would be banised at the level its at, at the moment.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1135
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Posted - 2014.08.01 08:57:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Budan Kado wrote:
CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact.
I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npcThree weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post).
A renter in PB can contact a renter in Vale or Branch and arrange a reciprocal agreement to rat in Vale or Branch, or they can move to system that isn't in/near a warzone. There is absolutely no way any serflord can prevent war coming to a region. They can only win it. If you have a "private" camper ie one that dislikes you, one of the best ways to dislocate them is to be able to rat 70 jumps away, which if you review my posting history is something I've repeatedly posted into cloaky camper threads posted by other renters.
During the Halloween war, considerable NA space was lost and NA renter space was routinely roamed and camped by goons - and I didn't find myself motivated to negative post about it, ie renting is and always has been a case of dealing with the prevailing null weather by doing your research on it and adjusting to conditions if where you are right now is currently nasty weather.
Both organisations currently have several corps that have previously rented from the other. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3970
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Posted - 2014.08.01 12:52:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npcThree weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post). So did cloaky campers do that, or is there just no ratting right now?
To be honest, I rarely see cloaky campers no matter where I'm heading these days. I figured maybe CCP had broken something. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Calvin Recline
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.08.01 16:49:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:
Both organisations currently have several corps that have previously rented from the other.
Exactly. At this time, CfC has an large amount of it; that's all that anyone evr said. That's not bad mouthing; it's just stating facts as they are. We can't help if it CfC Slumlords get upset about facts being made. NA. and BoT have had their problems in the past with similar things, you described NA.'s situation quite well earlier. I left NA. rental lands at one point due to a similar issue; came back when it was calmer. months later.
Lucas Kell wrote:
To be honest, I rarely see cloaky campers no matter where I'm heading these days. I figured maybe CCP had broken something.
That must be why there are so many in Razor space and provi ;x.
I hear blops arent a thing any more. |
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