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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.31 21:18:00 -
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Following the successful content creation of my 1st moon mapping project I decided on July 19th, coincidentally my 19th birthday, that I was going to undertake another moon mapping project. As with any great project planning is key and I had to decide where would be best to probe and how to get my probes to where I needed them. This was where a poll I had created two days previous came into play, the poll itself asked people to vote upon which alliance they would like to see kicked out of its SOV space. As many would guess the result of this was the Goonswarm Federation. So I thought "hmm what would be a good region to map that would affect the Goons the most", the answer was simple, Cloud Ring would be that region.
Cloud Ring (can be seen north-east of the link) believe it or not is a key cornerstone of the ClusterFuck (CFC) coalition that Goonswarm heads. Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators which stem from the most northern systems in New Eden all the way to the most southern systems. This network means that they can move a massive amount of ships whether they be sub-capitals or capitals/super capitals in a short moment of time, as many of you know this is known as force projection which is a hot topic among loads of people with few actually taking action other than a forum rant or two.
On Saturday 2nd of August at 20:00 eve time I will be holding a live twitch stream in aid of a fundraiser for my next project and for you the public to decide what that project will be, the most common donation reason and highest amount received will decide what my next project is. In order to keep up to date I have created an in-game channel called 'Project Fundraiser' you will find me there nearly all of the time, feel free to drop by and ask any questions you may have.
The way the fundraiser will work is that you donate ISK to my character in-game and in the reason box you put a number I.E. 20. You will then send a mail to myself in-game with the number you chose as the subject title and include in the message your idea for my next project. If you don't understand just let me know and I will talk to you about it. The Twitch Stream will be live at http://www.twitch.tv/stoseph_stuarts.
I am hoping the following data I am providing to you the members of New Eden will be taken and used to a much grander scale than has already been seen. Here is the data below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10SGvR329tJARBV_lye3IS7U5JTnYUpl_Gj5Tbav3ONo/edit#gid=0
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:47:00 -
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While the topic and info may be appreciated and useful to the player base, I must say the way you're going about it seems more akin to an ISK scam. I'm sure a very healthy profit can be made from this 'Project Fundraiser' of yours.
In my opinion players who genuinely want to help the player base do so without asking for ISK and will offer their research, guides or 3rd party apps freely to everyone.
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:05:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:While the topic and info may be appreciated and useful to the player base, I must say the way you're going about it seems more akin to an ISK scam. I'm sure a very healthy profit can be made from this 'Project Fundraiser' of yours.
In my opinion players who genuinely want to help the player base do so without asking for ISK and will offer their research, guides or 3rd party apps freely to everyone.
DMC If it were an ISK scam it would be a very elaborate one. To be honest with you I don't mind if no one donates to me all that matters is getting opinions from people on what they'd like my next project to be. So far I have received a couple different opinions and all sound very interesting to me.
The reason for asking for donations is so I can spend less time grinding ISK to pay for these ventures so I can actually go and spend all my time on the ventures themselves. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:14:00 -
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I'm with DMC on this one.
If you were interested in the community's opinion on what your next plan should be, you wouldn't let people pay for it and just ask. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:24:00 -
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Very nice work there. To be honest it's worth the isk as getting intel on moons is a pain. So for anyone interested in attacking goons I'm sure this is nice to have. |
Uanar Uanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:25:00 -
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Lot's of butthurt in these replies. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:29:00 -
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Uanar Uanid wrote:Lot's of butthurt in these replies.
What else do you expect from someone probing moons? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1952
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:31:00 -
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It's great that your doing this. More people taking more data means that fewer R64 and R32 moons slip through the cracks.
One suggestion though: The primary benefit of your provided data is the ability to cross reference with other existing resources, e.g. dotlan. You'll not that in the provided link I can at a glance see very R64 and R32 moon that dotlan knows about. The problem with your spreadsheet is that I have to flip through every single sheet (which is quite a bit) to detect any inconsistencies, which is tedious and hurts usability.
Could you perhaps include a tab for R64 moons and R32 moons? Otherwise cross-referencing multiple sources is a pain.
Anyway, good stuff. It's certainly useful info in certain lines of work. |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:33:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:I'm with DMC on this one.
If you were interested in the community's opinion on what your next plan should be, you wouldn't let people pay for it and just ask. if I didn't care about the communities opinion man I wouldn't be spending so much time on this data collection. I need to keep my alts subbed somehow man, for example when probing cloud ring I was able to probe twice as many moons when I didn't have all my toons online compared to when I had them offline.
All the isk donations would do is to help me collect data faster. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:36:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Uanar Uanid wrote:Lot's of butthurt in these replies. What else do you expect from someone probing moons?
I wonder how many monitors you have ruined. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:39:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:It's great that your doing this. More people taking more data means that fewer R64 and R32 moons slip through the cracks. One suggestion though: The primary benefit of your provided data is the ability to cross reference with other existing resources, e.g. dotlan. You'll not that in the provided link I can at a glance see very R64 and R32 moon that dotlan knows about. The problem with your spreadsheet is that I have to flip through every single sheet (which is quite a bit) to detect any inconsistencies, which is tedious and hurts usability. Could you perhaps include a tab for R64 moons and R32 moons? Otherwise cross-referencing multiple sources is a pain. Anyway, good stuff. It's certainly useful info in certain lines of work. Thanks for the positive feedback man, that is something I was looking into doing but I haven't thought up a layout I'd be happy with releasing just yet but for the next region I will definitely incorporate it for you. By the way you'll find a Dysprosium moon in Cloud Ring that's not on Dotlan.
Wollari from Dotlan also won't update the website with my info as it's a lot of work for him and he wants to spend more time on his personal life, I don't blame him but I wish there was someone who could take over for him. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.08.01 03:16:00 -
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Great job! The Paradox |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.08.01 03:43:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Great job! Thanks man, been given a few suggestions for improving the spreadsheet next time which definitely will increase the usability for people who just want to skim the information :) |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.01 04:21:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Very nice work there. To be honest it's worth the isk as getting intel on moons is a pain. So for anyone interested in attacking goons I'm sure this is nice to have. Man I can save you all kinds of time, the only intel you need is: do you have more supers than we do.. |
Sean Apollo
Rising Storm. The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.08.01 07:19:00 -
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Thanks man I really nee.... Oh wait...
P.S way to copy the person who did the fountain moons and that person didn't even ask to get isk. Most people hate me... |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.08.01 11:06:00 -
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Sean Apollo wrote:Thanks man I really nee.... Oh wait...
P.S way to copy the person who did the fountain moons and that person didn't even ask to get isk. I'll let marlona himself reply to that when he's next online. Also if you read properly I'm not asking to get paid for what I'm doing but looking for ideas and if people are willing some Isk donations to find those ideas.
It's hard work actually doing something worthwhile in this game man. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
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Posted - 2014.08.01 11:24:00 -
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Just change the OP to say any isk donations are appreciated to remove grind burden and remove any semblance of asking people to pay for their 'mission' to be #1 and you should be able to avoid the 'isk scam' accusations. One thing about this community is that if they believe what you do is beneficial and they like it,donations come.
Keep up the good work. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1954
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Posted - 2014.08.01 11:35:00 -
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John Ending wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Very nice work there. To be honest it's worth the isk as getting intel on moons is a pain. So for anyone interested in attacking goons I'm sure this is nice to have. Man I can save you all kinds of time, the only intel you need is: do you have more supers than we do.. Or.... you know.... a few covops alts, some siphons, and a blops. But no, saying "supers" is a much better quip. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3970
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Posted - 2014.08.01 12:47:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I was going to undertake another moon mapping project. Does the location of moons, which is mostly known anyway, have something to do with the ability of a group to kick people out of their space that I am missing?
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.08.01 13:55:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I was going to undertake another moon mapping project. Does the location of moons, which is mostly known anyway, have something to do with the ability of a group to kick people out of their space that I am missing? It's not so much the location of the moons as you are right they are known especially if you right click in space or have a tab set up to show moons but no I am talking about what is positioned on those moons if anything at all. As I outlined in the article you will note I actually gave a reason why knowing this information would help a group to kick people out of their space; 'Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators'.
The quote above suggests that if people attack these key structures it will slow down any potential response from the CFC forces. How exactly you might ask, well in my eyes by taking JB's and Cyno Generators down the CFC will either have to enter the region from regional gates which means gate camps can be formed to slow down these attacks/halt them potentially or the CFC would have to get cyno toons into the region to perform Titan bridges which would also take extra time. |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:28:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:'Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators'.
The quote above suggests that if people attack these key structures it will slow down any potential response from the CFC forces. How exactly you might ask, well in my eyes by taking JB's and Cyno Generators down the CFC will either have to enter the region from regional gates which means gate camps can be formed to slow down these attacks/halt them potentially or the CFC would have to get cyno toons into the region to perform Titan bridges which would also take extra time. Anyone that has the necessary force to shut down our JB network would easily be able to find the exact locations of every node. Hell, you could probably google it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
28
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:32:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:'Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators'.
The quote above suggests that if people attack these key structures it will slow down any potential response from the CFC forces. How exactly you might ask, well in my eyes by taking JB's and Cyno Generators down the CFC will either have to enter the region from regional gates which means gate camps can be formed to slow down these attacks/halt them potentially or the CFC would have to get cyno toons into the region to perform Titan bridges which would also take extra time. Anyone that has the necessary force to shut down our JB network would easily be able to find the exact locations of every node. Hell, you could probably google it. That may be true but there is no better intel than current intel, most intel on google will be old (1 week+). |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:37:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:'Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators'.
The quote above suggests that if people attack these key structures it will slow down any potential response from the CFC forces. How exactly you might ask, well in my eyes by taking JB's and Cyno Generators down the CFC will either have to enter the region from regional gates which means gate camps can be formed to slow down these attacks/halt them potentially or the CFC would have to get cyno toons into the region to perform Titan bridges which would also take extra time. Anyone that has the necessary force to shut down our JB network would easily be able to find the exact locations of every node. Hell, you could probably google it. That may be true but there is no better intel than current intel, most intel on google will be old (1 week+). We move our jump bridges about daily. True story. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
28
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:47:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:'Cloud Ring allows the CFC to have a network of Jump Bridges' (JB's) and Cynosural Generators'.
The quote above suggests that if people attack these key structures it will slow down any potential response from the CFC forces. How exactly you might ask, well in my eyes by taking JB's and Cyno Generators down the CFC will either have to enter the region from regional gates which means gate camps can be formed to slow down these attacks/halt them potentially or the CFC would have to get cyno toons into the region to perform Titan bridges which would also take extra time. Anyone that has the necessary force to shut down our JB network would easily be able to find the exact locations of every node. Hell, you could probably google it. That may be true but there is no better intel than current intel, most intel on google will be old (1 week+). We move our jump bridges about daily. True story. I'm sorry to tell you but that is not the case at all, anything mapped on my spreadsheet was where it was the whole time I was in cloud ring. It would surprise me if they weren't still in those places. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:58:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I'm sorry to tell you but that is not the case at all, anything mapped on my spreadsheet was where it was the whole time I was in cloud ring. It would surprise me if they weren't still in those places. Sarcasm is so hard to convey in text. I was saying that because people don't tend to change their logistics chains very often. Most JB maps for most coalitions will remain 99% valid for many months at a minimum. Anyone with the firepower to take down a 30k coalition would have a spy on the inside anyway though, so you seem to have done a lot of flying about for nowt. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:13:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I'm sorry to tell you but that is not the case at all, anything mapped on my spreadsheet was where it was the whole time I was in cloud ring. It would surprise me if they weren't still in those places. Sarcasm is so hard to convey in text. I was saying that because people don't tend to change their logistics chains very often. Most JB maps for most coalitions will remain 99% valid for many months at a minimum. Anyone with the firepower to take down a 30k coalition would have a spy on the inside anyway though, so you seem to have done a lot of flying about for nowt. Not necessarily, there is also the factor as someone pointed out earlier of siphoning the moons. With my information people now know which pos's are undefended and what they stand to make from them. Thus affecting the moon goo income of the sov holders. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:14:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I'm sorry to tell you but that is not the case at all, anything mapped on my spreadsheet was where it was the whole time I was in cloud ring. It would surprise me if they weren't still in those places. Sarcasm is so hard to convey in text. I was saying that because people don't tend to change their logistics chains very often. Most JB maps for most coalitions will remain 99% valid for many months at a minimum. Anyone with the firepower to take down a 30k coalition would have a spy on the inside anyway though, so you seem to have done a lot of flying about for nowt. Not necessarily, there is also the factor as someone pointed out earlier of siphoning the moons. With my information people now know which pos's are undefended and what they stand to make from them. Thus affecting the moon goo income of the sov holders. :D we'll see. Rental income is where it's at now.
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Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
28
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:24:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I'm sorry to tell you but that is not the case at all, anything mapped on my spreadsheet was where it was the whole time I was in cloud ring. It would surprise me if they weren't still in those places. Sarcasm is so hard to convey in text. I was saying that because people don't tend to change their logistics chains very often. Most JB maps for most coalitions will remain 99% valid for many months at a minimum. Anyone with the firepower to take down a 30k coalition would have a spy on the inside anyway though, so you seem to have done a lot of flying about for nowt. Not necessarily, there is also the factor as someone pointed out earlier of siphoning the moons. With my information people now know which pos's are undefended and what they stand to make from them. Thus affecting the moon goo income of the sov holders. :D we'll see. Rental income is where it's at now. Maybe renters will be involved in my next project ;) |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc. The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
28
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:43:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Very nice work there. To be honest it's worth the isk as getting intel on moons is a pain. So for anyone interested in attacking goons I'm sure this is nice to have. Yeah man that is very true and from what I know there might be something stirring up against the Goons very soon ;) |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5384
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:49:00 -
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I like these weak attempts at some Jedi hand wave trying to get people to not look at the info by the moon holders. lol The Paradox |
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