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Chewytowel Haklar
Sextans Tech Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:40:00 -
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Yep, 2 months and I am probably done already.
Not sure if dev's want to know why but here goes (even though this might sink to the bottom of the forums or get locked anyway). I tried industry out some, but it takes time and so do the skills to invest into it. It's not bad necessarily, just tedious and I have no desire to min/max everything possibly so I can efficiently build items in the game that I can use for pvp/pve and selling for profit. Selling for profit or isk generation in any aspect in this game seems to go only towards making either more isk or being able to buy the items that you want to use to pve/pvp with. PVE itself is rather uninteresting to me and even though I have not tried all aspects of it out the shooting at red crosses thing and increased difficulty doesn't appeal to me in its current format. Sure there are stories, and sure there are harder enemies to fight that require a tad more strategy. At this point though pve seems like something you just farm over and over again for drops and bounties, perhaps sec status as well. PVP on the other hand is pretty damn exciting and has many elements that are interesting as the challenge changes up depending on the number of ships and their type that you have to face. Yet, I find myself not very good at this and the required number of skills to be proficient can to me get tiring to even bother with. I find myself pulled in many directions as a newer player wanting to do many things and yet finding that to be truly good at them a part of that effort is to skill specifically into those activities and wait. I suppose that is part of the problem inherently there, waiting. While I don't have to wait to get into mission running or fighting other players, or even joining others in their fleet operations I don't feel I can add to the game with lower skill points as well as I would like to be able to. Basically I want to feel that I can do something of significance, and yet with most players with tons of skills points, alts, and accumulated wealth and knowledge in the game my ability to matter seems greatly diminished.
I wanted to like EVE, I want to experience the intrigue of it all, but the truth is that there are massive coalitions that have a stranglehold on nullsec and my ability to truly feel like I can take my own piece of the pie without having to pay a fee monthly to them do so. My ability to feel powerful is diminished also by my lack of skill in pvp. I utterly suck at it, and the hardcore death mechanics of having to potentially refit my implants, by another ship, refit that ship, and then insure all while having to head all the way back out adds insult to injury. I could choose to be a pirate and widen my scope of potential enemies but that is not going to go well when I obviously suck so bad at pvp. Faction warfare is nice and offers a bit more of that structured experience which can be exciting but it seems like everyone is out for good fights and hardly at all out to capture plexes. It seems capturing plexes is looked down on. Many people apparently want fights, and for what logical purpose other then to perhaps fatten ones killboard I have no clue. Maybe they want more isk so they can continue their cycle of killing things in pvp and thus keep up their ability to not have to play any other aspect of the game they don't want. I found it fun for awhile, far more then shooting red crosses in pve or mining, but grew frustrated when I felt like I didn't matter and obviously the lack of skill didn't help as well. Even if I had hung around and grew to learn more and more about the game and became proficient at killing other ship types, that seems to me like something that wouldn't last. I suppose one graduates to killing bigger fish later on, being a part of major fleets which seems interesting.
But what is it all for? I can grind pvp for the sake of kills, I can grind pve mission/incursions/anomalies for isk/rep/drops, or I can be a part of industry. What truly appeals to me as a player is no the number of kills I have, not the amount of isk I can accumulate, but raw power. When you have such massive alliances like Pandemic Legion with a complex operation and HUGE 10+ trillion budget to work with my attempts at power seem miniscule. I don't know how you all might interpret that. I can't fathom though as a new player how anyone can matter or make any real impact on the game when there are such powerful alliances that have essentially set up shop and can project their power anywhere at anytime within the game. They have a hold on that aspect of the game that perhaps I thought would appeal to me. I wanted to explore, to build my own thing, and to perhaps expand and find my own niche. Yet it seems that those very established in the game have made it a near impossibility for me to do so. Instead I am limited to the bland often exaggerated forms of 'content' that players come up with. Killing hulks...lame, Huola campaign was pretty much how faction warfare should be in every zone instead of people just looking for kills, CODE? Are you kidding...killing miners and freighters is so pathetic and boring of an activity I can't believe people would consider that content. The game is mostly boring, has a pretty damn rough death mechanic, and takes way too much time to even be able to do anything of importance and for what? So I can be someone else's *****? There's just something missing from the EVE experience that begs to be introduced. And yeah the game is dangerous, but to me it feels more like an annoyance as I find it stupid and lame to camp gates for hours. Where is the fun in that?
Some might say you don't get EVE...what is there to get O.O? I grew bored of it all. I perhaps also have no desire to play alliance/corp simulator and project power in a sandbox universe that has already been colonized and mastered by players. I am essentially too late to the game. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16071
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:43:00 -
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My eyes..
Your stuff... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1308
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:46:00 -
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You have to be really smart and really charismatic to do well in this game.
Look at me for instance. One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
Nihi Li'aldoko
The Mucking Fuppets
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:48:00 -
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Just remember all those huge alliances are led by people that started out the same way you did. A dumb rookie with dreams too big for his skills. You won't become the dictator you want to be without first building and learning and failing and learning and trying new things and failing at that as well. To survive in EvE I have found that you need to stick with a group of friends, your corpmates, your alliance mates, your blues, the community to really appreciate what can be done in this game.
Sorry to see you go, and that you don't have the fortitude for a game like EvE Online. Fly Safe bro o7 o7 o7 |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
747
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:49:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: Some might say you don't get EVE...what is there to get O.O? I grew bored of it all. I perhaps also have no desire to play alliance/corp simulator and project power in a sandbox universe that has already been colonized and mastered by players. I am essentially too late to the game.
Join a corp that isn't a renter and actually does things. Something like brave newbies would show you that you don't need millions of SP's to be effective in a battle and have fun.
As for being too late to the game - I remember them telling the Goons something similar when BoB held most of null-sec. They seem to be doing ok though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23585
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:50:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:But what is it all for? I can grind pvp for the sake of kills, I can grind pve mission/incursions/anomalies for isk/rep/drops, or I can be a part of industry. What truly appeals to me as a player is no the number of kills I have, not the amount of isk I can accumulate, but raw power. When you have such massive alliances like Pandemic Legion with a complex operation and HUGE 10+ trillion budget to work with my attempts at power seem miniscule. I don't know how you all might interpret that. I can't fathom though as a new player how anyone can matter or make any real impact on the game when there are such powerful alliances that have essentially set up shop and can project their power anywhere at anytime within the game. Those alliances are lead by individuals. The trick to becoming one of those individuals is to keep building your power base and not quit after two months. The rest is just to find people who'll follow you and give them a reason to do so.
That's how those alliances came into being. All you have to do is the same thing.
Quote:The game is mostly boring, has a pretty damn rough death mechanic, and takes way too much time to even be able to do anything of importance and for what? So I can be someone else's *****? This is just a choice you make. You choose not to be able to do anything. You choose to be someone else's *****. Or you choose neither of those and start building your own alliance.
You have everything you need to start down that path right now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:56:00 -
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Your stuff, is it spoken for? |
Paranoid Loyd
1081
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:57:00 -
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TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7428
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:58:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game.
No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed.
That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would.
No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE.
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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
158
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Posted - 2014.08.01 18:59:00 -
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The stuff of someone that played two months, dabbled in everything but didn't take the time to get to know anything in detail? Are you guys so desperately in need of rookie ships? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23585
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:00:00 -
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Barzai Mekhar wrote:The stuff of someone that played two months, dabbled in everything but didn't take the time to get to know anything in detail? Are you guys so desperately in need of rookie ships? Free money is free. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3430
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:06:00 -
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Dude, paragraphs.
Yes pve is crap, no surprise. Pvp is hard and nuanced but gets easier if your skills grow not your toons. Eve isn't boring, you are being boring in eve.
Tippia wrote:Barzai Mekhar wrote:The stuff of someone that played two months, dabbled in everything but didn't take the time to get to know anything in detail? Are you guys so desperately in need of rookie ships? Free money is free. Not when you have to wash out the smell of apathy and failure, tears are valuable. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
418
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:08:00 -
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Every tackle frigate can be a game changer in huge fleet battles.. Very little skill points required, a great deal of actual skill comes in handy. Then step up to a destroyer, lay waste in Talwar fleets, lots to do while skill points keep ticking up. All exciting, all meaningful. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1044
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:08:00 -
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Go read the history of Brave Newbies. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Fix Nullsec! I wonder if enough people add this thread link to their sig, CCP will notice. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
608
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:09:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:11:00 -
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I think your mistaken. EVE is about the goals you make for yourself, and the people you meet along the way.
I want to pilot a Nestor, and that's simple. Skill up, save ISK and LP, and I can pilot it. Others want to out wit and out ship others, and scour the game for "good fights" just for that. A few join Faction War for a more refined reason to kill others. A few industrialists mine because they want to arm the PvPers for the quest for "good fights and make some ISK out of it.
You want power. And you have no idea how to get it in EVE. Worst than that, you think power comes from being part of sovereignty and just sit on laurels you clearly haven't fought to deserve.
Well, I'm five months in, on an alt and having a good time. Pity you couldn't find something to strive for.
At least the others have your stuff? I'm good though. |
Asia Leigh
ThreeWAVE
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:15:00 -
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Barzai Mekhar wrote:The stuff of someone that played two months, dabbled in everything but didn't take the time to get to know anything in detail? Are you guys so desperately in need of rookie ships?
Yes. Can I have your Rookie ships you don't need anymore?
Apply the damn rules equally >.> |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7430
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:17:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake.
Having that kind of 'bug' is the problem. NO ONE matters in EVE (except Chribba, he's the man), EVE is what you make it for yourself. That's the beauty of EVE as opposed to the rest of the MMO world that lies to you and tells you you are a special heroic snowflake.
I've been in alliances and other kinds of groups, I've never once been or seen myself as someone elses *****. The alliance (and the alliance's 'boss') got someone to shoot stuff for them, and I got access to all manner of enjoyable things that I either would not have had other wise or would have had to 'ninja' to get. Fair Trade is not exploitation.
The problem is the 'soloer' mind set is that it views cooperation (which is necessary to achieve higher goals) as subjugation. It's not.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7430
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:18:00 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I think your mistaken. EVE is about the goals you make for yourself, and the people you meet along the way.
I want to pilot a Nestor, and that's simple. Skill up, save ISK and LP, and I can pilot it. Others want to out wit and out ship others, and scour the game for "good fights" just for that. A few join Faction War for a more refined reason to kill others. A few industrialists mine because they want to arm the PvPers for the quest for "good fights and make some ISK out of it.
You want power. And you have no idea how to get it in EVE. Worst than that, you think power comes from being part of sovereignty and just sit on laurels you clearly haven't fought to deserve.
Well, I'm five months in, on an alt and having a good time. Pity you couldn't find something to strive for.
At least the others have your stuff? I'm good though.
Real EVE player detected.
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
147
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:21:00 -
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I started playing in 2006. I was too late for the T2 BPO lottery, the first titan was already in build and Dr Caymus was closing in on the 100M skillpoint mark.
You don't have to be the best in game at anything to make it in EVE. You only have to be better at something than someone near you, even if it's only patience. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3431
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake. Having that kind of 'bug' is the problem. NO ONE matters in EVE (except Chribba, he's the man), EVE is what you make it for yourself. That's the beauty of EVE as opposed to the rest of the MMO world that lies to you and tells you you are a special heroic snowflake. I've been in alliances and other kinds of groups, I've never once been or seen myself as someone elses *****. The alliance (and the alliance's 'boss') got someone to shoot stuff for them, and I got access to all manner of enjoyable things that I either would not have had other wise or would have had to 'ninja' to get. Fair Trade is not exploitation. The problem is the 'soloer' mind set is that it views cooperation (which is necessary to achieve higher goals) as subjugation. It's not. "You L33T d347H D341R #446891 are the chosen one" "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
787
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:22:00 -
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I am not sure what industry you were doing that you think takes a lot of skills to get into.
Perhaps you tried to do T2 building straight out of the box.
Things in any game take time, but in Eve you can actually join in with the guys who have been playing longer than you pretty much straight out of the box.
Of course, if you want to be building T2 stuff, or being a major market mogul on day one, that is a different matter entirely, the same as if you want to be flying a battleship on day one. That isnt going to happen. Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
147
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:26:00 -
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Incidentally, most of the players who really matter in EVE aren't using their skillpoints for the things that really matter. The Mittani runs the CFC, arguably the most powerful group in EVE. His favorite ship is the Sabre, which you could fly with the same skills he has in 3 or 4 months at most. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
572
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:28:00 -
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I think people have been saying Null sec has been dead since the days of bob. I barely recognize the sov map since those days. And what do people do in any mmo, seems to me it is grind pve and/or grind pvp. For the most part because it is fun, or you expect to find fun soonGäó. Anyways with time comes disruptions, I'm still convinced no one is too late to the game.
In eve fly with some people, talk on coms, and blow stuff up. I can't imagine playing any other game right now. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
147
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:43:00 -
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I mean look, if your plan was to ~Level~ your way to the top, you're basically not just too late but 11 years too late.
Luckily, skills are just a tool in the box to get what you want. Also at your disposal are
Money Experience Charisma Patience Player skill Likeability Ruthlessness Reputation Game assets Game knowledge
To name but the first 10 things that are as important as skillpoints. Excellence in any one of those things is enough for you to make your way. More than a couple and you'll be an outstanding player.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10877
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:44:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Go read the history of Brave Newbies. Brave claimed a piece of null that was ready and waiting for it. While this is admirable it's not really a symptom of null working as intended. There have been no new groups blasting their way in to carve a chunk of it for themselves. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3432
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Go read the history of Brave Newbies. Brave claimed a piece of null that was ready and waiting for it. While this is admirable it's not really a symptom of null working as intended. There have been no new groups blasting their way in to carve a chunk of it for themselves. To be fair, they still did it. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Paranoid Loyd
1086
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:51:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game.
I couldn't disagree more. Plenty of people accomplish their goals by barely even logging on.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
149
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Go read the history of Brave Newbies. Brave claimed a piece of null that was ready and waiting for it. While this is admirable it's not really a symptom of null working as intended. There have been no new groups blasting their way in to carve a chunk of it for themselves.
Also there's a lot more to EVE than Null. |
Hemel Keynes
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:55:00 -
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To paraphrase a dead politician, stop asking what can the game do for you, ask what can you do for the game. If you lack imagination and/or patience, you're going to have a bad time. |
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