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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2014.08.02 10:46:00 -
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today is my 1st time flying a VNI (with average skillz trained) and i took part in a 12-kill (HACs, T3 Cruisers and Carriers) worth roughly 9.22B.
i played this game for about 4 months.
so OP, NO, you are never too late to play this game. you just need the right attitude. Just Add Water |
Sliana Non'Grata
MMI Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:11:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake. Having that kind of 'bug' is the problem. NO ONE matters in EVE (except Chribba, he's the man), EVE is what you make it for yourself. That's the beauty of EVE as opposed to the rest of the MMO world that lies to you and tells you you are a special heroic snowflake. I've been in alliances and other kinds of groups, I've never once been or seen myself as someone elses *****. The alliance (and the alliance's 'boss') got someone to shoot stuff for them, and I got access to all manner of enjoyable things that I either would not have had other wise or would have had to 'ninja' to get. Fair Trade is not exploitation. The problem is the 'soloer' mind set is that it views cooperation (which is necessary to achieve higher goals) as subjugation. It's not. "You L33T d347H D341R #446891 are the chosen one"
Its D3413R not D341R. Your l33t status has been revoked, turn in your card. |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
371
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:24:00 -
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If you donate your things to me I guarantee you it will go to a good cause. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
720
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:28:00 -
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I've started over several times, yet I don't feel behind. There is only so high you can train a skill and once you get it to V, it doesn't make any difference if it is on a 10 mil sp character or a 245 mil sp character.
That said, I don't intend to roll a new main again, that **** is bananas.
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Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:41:00 -
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If you really want to be the next Mittens or the kingpin of the next big power bloc, you simply have to accept that it's going to take years to get there. Even if you're willing to invest the time, there's no guarantee.
Goons, for example, came from another Internet community with the expressed intent of ruining the game for others. Who came with you? Did you show up alone? If so, you've got a rough road ahead.
Do you know a bunch of folks who are willing to work hard at doing your bidding and let you have all the glory? If not, being king of anything isn't likely in the cards. The few people who are in the position you want to hold have thousands of players that love the taste of their genitals and will suck 'em all day long. |
Serene Repose
1461
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Posted - 2014.08.02 12:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:My eyes..
Your stuff... You are so funny.
The OP, on the other hand, strikes me as one of those "gamers" who made it big somewhere else, then figured all that know-how and leetness would transer to us slowpokes here in EVEland. Come to find out, beginners here are beginners here. Your feats of derring-do in WoW and other regions won't serve you well here.
What the OP calls "waiting" other folks call "playing the game." Only self-imagined gaming pros complain about not being able to run with the big dogs the first...(let's be generous here) MONTH.
I'm sorry. I do not sympathize. However, I did read the OP's entire post, and for that I deserve at least 60% of his stuff.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
249
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:02:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Yep, 2 months and I am probably done already.
...PVP on the other hand is pretty damn exciting and has many elements that are interesting as the challenge changes up depending on the number of ships and their type that you have to face.
...
Many people apparently want fights, and for what logical purpose other then to perhaps fatten ones killboard I have no clue.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
264
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:13:00 -
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Sliana Non'Grata wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game.
It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake. Having that kind of 'bug' is the problem. NO ONE matters in EVE (except Chribba, he's the man), EVE is what you make it for yourself. That's the beauty of EVE as opposed to the rest of the MMO world that lies to you and tells you you are a special heroic snowflake. I've been in alliances and other kinds of groups, I've never once been or seen myself as someone elses *****. The alliance (and the alliance's 'boss') got someone to shoot stuff for them, and I got access to all manner of enjoyable things that I either would not have had other wise or would have had to 'ninja' to get. Fair Trade is not exploitation. The problem is the 'soloer' mind set is that it views cooperation (which is necessary to achieve higher goals) as subjugation. It's not. "You L33T d347H D341R #446891 are the chosen one" Its D3413R not D341R. Your l33t status has been revoked, turn in your card. Don't you know it's in poor taste to criticize a man's C-64 speak? |
Prince Kobol
1972
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:22:00 -
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Whilst the OP post is pretty much full of whine I also find it funny that lots of people are saying that anybody could be the next mittans.
Lets all be honest here, there are about 5 people in the entire of Eve that control null sec and that is not going to change any time soon.
So sure you could be the guy who gets the tackle on a super that enables your fleet to cyno in and kill him, or maybe you can be the guy who steals billions of isk but on the whole yeah it means very little and changes almost nothing.
Those very few people who control all of null sec, they are the only people who are able to inflict real change and that is a pretty sad state of affairs.
So if you are one of those people who believes in all the crap that CCP pumps out about being able to make a difference, sorry you have been duped.
If you don't care about stuff like that they you stand a much better chance enjoying the game. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1281
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:12:00 -
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You are 2 months old - you did not try anything yet.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23594
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:40:00 -
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Also, yoink. Now it's too late to snip this page too. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
503
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:00:00 -
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Then again, perhaps the original poster is the smart one.
How often have players moved ahead of the pack, only to have CCP "nerf" everything so everyone will be at a relatively even level playing field?
- Back in the day, the option to learn the "Learning" skill tree so eventually a player will be gaining skill points faster than another that did not train them? "Oh no, can't have that - strip them out and boost everyone!"
- How many players learned various skills through level five and had the hardware, implants, and modules to be faster speed-wise than others? "Oh, ground breaking - better nerf that nano edge!"
- Quite recently, those players that invested ISK and time to boost their blue prints beyond the "perfect" level to give that illusion visual edge that a higher number is better, only to have CCP strip all that out and level everyone at that 10% and 20% level?
As Prince Kobol mentioned above, with five people basically controlling null sec space, let's be honest - you think CCP has the balls to disrupt those people's power sphere? CCP would be fearful those five would tell their underlings to abandon this game and cut their funds. So CCP talks in square circles about how null sec space needs to be fixed while creating videos that a nobody can become that special snowflake. Players gobble that slop up with the hope they too can be the next Mittens.
And once someone reaches that position, he or she too will not want CCP to disrupt that upper echelon while the rest of the unwashed masses get nerfed into mediocrity once again. |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
372
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:04:00 -
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CCP is the main reason bob couldn't fight back, it's true. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23595
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:14:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Then again, perhaps the original poster is the smart one.
How often have players moved ahead of the pack, only to have CCP "nerf" everything so everyone will be at a relatively even level playing field?
- Back in the day, the option to learn the "Learning" skill tree so eventually a player will be gaining skill points faster than another that did not train them? "Oh no, can't have that - strip them out and boost everyone!"
- How many players learned various skills through level five and had the hardware, implants, and modules to be faster speed-wise than others? "Oh, ground breaking - better nerf that nano edge!"
- Quite recently, those players that invested ISK and time to boost their blue prints beyond the "perfect" level to give that illusion visual edge that a higher number is better, only to have CCP strip all that out and level everyone at that 10% and 20% level? WeeeeeellGǪ let's not forget the fact that none of those things really happened that way.
Learning skills were removed, not to level things out, but to remove a pointless meta-mechanic that made the life of new players miserable for the first couple of months. Nano was removed, not to level things out, but to stop the physics simulation from breaking down and to ensure that more than a handful of ships were viable. GÇ£PerfectGÇ¥ blueprints were removed because they were a stupid and unnecessary timesink that benefitted no-one and only confused people, as demonstrated by those who tried to chase GÇ£perfectGÇ¥ status on any of them (they also did not level out everyone at 10/20% so it didn't provide a level playing field by default).
So I'd say it has happened, oh, about zero times or so. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Kalishka Ashkulf
BUMP POW
40
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, yoink. Now it's too late to snip this page too.
Metagaming FTW
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
362
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:21:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:You have to be really smart and really charismatic to do well in this game. Look at me for instance. I clicked your signature link :D Didn't read or notice other thread pages though. +1 -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |
iovi Hashur
Genyosha Unlimited
4
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:21:00 -
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NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over.
+1
And really from what I've seen so far in most games I've played including this one, sadly there are ppl WHO can't really seperate that. I remember a post a couple of months back about traitors to eve for ppl WHO switched games and then came back....ewww
Anyway the thing is that the OP is quite right at some points. I've been playing EvE for like 6 months and I found myself having to WAIT patiently for skills to train so i can do stuff. It get annoying at some point. The thing is to find something else to do. Sadly not all activities scale with sp in eve. And paying for months without playing just to train skills in order to be able to do stuff sucks.
And come on lets be honest. All these "Aaaarg i collect tears I'm imba " and such, let alone miner gankers (not even gonna commnt that) are mostly (99.9999999%) ppl WHO decide to spend their 1-24h they have available to play this game, doing the most dull activity ever. Not talking about serious PvP here. Real PvPers know what i mean (Wow hold your horses there hi-sec camper. You dont do pvp). These are the players WHO cannot set a goal...
And for those that say EvE has always been interesting, come on, the truth....count your alts. Yeah Yeah some are needed to specialise in different areas and so on. This means that at some point you were boed to death waiting for skills to train for different areas of the game so you made an alt. Well some ppl cant afford that. Thats were game gets tiring.
And lets admit it. Any game, no matter how great or not it is, it needs changes. And in the few months im in, although i did see some (Industry mostly) I still think it needs more. And yeah many players dont want eve to change. I for example love that scatter container thing in explo. But then ppl came and requested it gone. In the end most players only think about ISK/Hour. Thats where all the problems start |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23597
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:34:00 -
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iovi Hashur wrote:Anyway the thing is that the OP is quite right at some points. I've been playing EvE for like 6 months and I found myself having to WAIT patiently for skills to train so i can do stuff. It get annoying at some point. The thing is to find something else to do. Sadly not all activities scale with sp in eve. And paying for months without playing just to train skills in order to be able to do stuff sucks. Good news: you never* have to wait GÇö especially not for months GÇö to do stuff in EVE. You can start doing them pretty much right away. Sure, for some things you might need some particular piece of equipment, but it rarely takes more than a couple of minutes to unlock it. The even better news is that no activities scale with SP. It's purposefully designed so that you get increasingly marginal benefits from exponentially larger amounts of training. The activities scale with intelligent application and usage, but that's about it.
* There actually is one thing you have to wait for: capships. The good news here is that there's no reason to train for those before you can already occupy all of your time with far better things. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
675
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:40:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Yep, 2 months and I am probably done already.
You are doing it wrong.
This character is not even 7 months old and I do wonderful. I have nothing but fun every single time I log in.
The trick: you need to spec something. In a couple months you can have decent core skills and be really good at ONE or TWO things. Pick something, get good at it, stick with it.
Also, when it comes to PVP - SP is overrated. Sure, in a pure 1 vs 1 on paper fight between two identical ships with identical fittings and players with identical tactics - the one with a bunch more SP is going to win. But it's rarely if ever like that on the field. I've killed players from 2004 in FW in 1 vs. 1 frig fights simply due to better tactics and fittings that were a good countermeasure to their fittings.
Hang in there, man. 2 months is nothing. You gotta be patient for EVE. |
iovi Hashur
Genyosha Unlimited
4
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Good news: you never* have to wait GÇö especially not for months GÇö to do stuff in EVE. You can start doing them pretty much right away. Sure, for some things you might need some particular piece of equipment, but it rarely takes more than a couple of minutes to unlock it. The even better news is that no activities scale with SP. It's purposefully designed so that you get increasingly marginal benefits from exponentially larger amounts of training. The activities scale with intelligent application and usage, but that's about it.
* There actually is one thing you have to wait for: capships. The good news here is that there's no reason to train for those before you can already occupy all of your time with far better things.
What i meant with waiting and scaling is this. I for example have been using cruisers for pvp/pve. I have skills both cruiser and gunnery etc in 4. now to get into t2 ship+ guns... thats a long time. more than a month.
As for scaling. Take Industry for example. I trained met eff to 5. I could build t1 stuff etc. Lets see what about t2 or t3. Hell some of those are rank 5 skills. Yup takes time to do it, not perfectly, but efficiently within reason. As for caps etc, I already decided a carrier will bethe biggest thing i flhy. I like to be able to dock. ;p
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
675
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:43:00 -
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iovi Hashur wrote:Not talking about serious PvP here. Real PvPers know what i mean (Wow hold your horses there hi-sec camper. You dont do pvp). These are the players WHO cannot set a goal...
rofl you just said "Real PVPers" lmao
Real pvp = a player engages in combat with another player. PVP = player vs. player. When a player shoots at another player, it's quite real :) |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
675
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:48:00 -
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iovi Hashur wrote:
What i meant with waiting and scaling is this. I for example have been using cruisers for pvp/pve. I have skills both cruiser and gunnery etc in 4. now to get into t2 ship+ guns... thats a long time. more than a month.
As for scaling. Take Industry for example. I trained met eff to 5. I could build t1 stuff etc. Lets see what about t2 or t3. Hell some of those are rank 5 skills. Yup takes time to do it, not perfectly, but efficiently within reason. As for caps etc, I already decided a carrier will bethe biggest thing i flhy. I like to be able to dock. ;p
RE: your crusier skills - what you are missing is that during the climb to a t2 crusier, you will still be getting massive boosts to your t1 crusier. Start off by getting those t2 medium guns, see a instant boost in your t1 crusier dps. Got t2 tank yet? All core skills that apply to at least 4? You get the idea. Chances are that every single skill you will need to spend time on during that month of training is going to result in a tougher t1 crusier while you wait.
Also, a month is nothing. Like, nothing. EVE is about patience!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4004
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:50:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:YPVP on the other hand is pretty damn exciting and has many elements that are interesting as the challenge changes up depending on the number of ships and their type that you have to face. Yet, I find myself not very good at this and the required number of skills to be proficient can to me get tiring to even bother with. Join Brave Newbies Inc., and have fun while you learn.
Same for Red Federation and Blue Republic, if you like constant hisec wars instead. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23597
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:50:00 -
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iovi Hashur wrote:What i meant with waiting and scaling is this. I for example have been using cruisers for pvp/pve. I have skills both cruiser and gunnery etc in 4. now to get into t2 ship+ guns... thats a long time. more than a month. GǪbut again, you don't have to wait for months to do things. What you're describing is a choice to occupy yourself with something else (in your case with GǣwaitingGǥ) until you've reached some arbitrary point that you deem sufficient for whatever reason. This in spite of the constant improvements you see along the way that let you do whatever it is you want to do better and better from day 1.
The limitations and waiting you are annoyed by are pretty much entirely by your own creation. You choose to limit yourself and wait. You can choose not to.
Quote:Take Industry for example. I trained met eff to 5. I could build t1 stuff etc. Lets see what about t2 or t3. Hell some of those are rank 5 skills. Yup takes time to do it Not really. The skill requirement increase for building T2 is very very tiny compared to the T1 stuff and it all GÇö those rank-5 skills take all of half an hour to get up to the required level (since they don't affect your build efficiency in any way) and your only hump is a rank-1 skill that you will have to suffer through for a horrible, excruciating 4 days. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Lanie Askulf
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Good news: you never* have to wait GÇö especially not for months GÇö to do stuff in EVE. You can start doing them pretty much right away. Sure, for some things you might need some particular piece of equipment, but it rarely takes more than a couple of minutes to unlock it. The even better news is that no activities scale with SP. It's purposefully designed so that you get increasingly marginal benefits from exponentially larger amounts of training. The activities scale with intelligent application and usage, but that's about it.
* There actually is one thing you have to wait for: capships. The good news here is that there's no reason to train for those before you can already occupy all of your time with far better things.
This.
1. Doing stuff with low sp has never been easier than today. Industry is profitable from day one, as is exploration, as is fw plexing (arguable you don't need a single sp for this), as is flying tackle or basic ewar, suidicde ganking only takes a few days to get into, trading is viable off the bat, etc. etc. There's essentially no part of EVE that doesn't have a plethora of roles a newbie can get into.
2. In my line of work (t1/2 production), a good spreadsheet is worth far more than sp. I have very low sp alts that produce the majority of my items for sale. I've been attempting to acquire a few higher sp industrial alts here lately because I'm planning to go into t3 and capital production, but that isn't for any other reason than I just want to try something new and I have isk to burn.
3. From personal experience living in nullsec and doing CTA operations with my capital alt, I can confidently say that is something newbies should stay the hell away from. It's boring as hell and really just something we vets get forced into when we're trying to hold on to sovreign space. If we didn't absolutely need to lay siege to a tower or sov. structure on a semi-regular basis, we wouldn't do it. Hence all the stagnation in nullsec. Capitals shooting at bazillion sp structures is the last thing anyone wants to do, so newbies not having access to that gameplay isn't something they should be concerned about. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2752
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:30:00 -
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Brave ******* Newbies is the only refutation the OP needs.
OP is not right for EVE, not much of a loss to either. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
211
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Posted - 2014.08.02 20:54:00 -
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OP when you jump into EVE it can be exciting as you delve into all it has to offer, then it can get confusing to understand it and then when you learn the scope of what is in front of you it can be daunting and as you have just posted it can be disheartening and demoralizing to the point of "why should i even start"
Been there done that an worn the T-Shirt so to speak, the thing i found is learn at your own pace, focus on a single thing that interests you, see what it has to offer an work on it an branch from there.
Only 1 out of every 10000 that join/try eve are that special snowflake that will make a huge difference in eve, whether or not you are will be determined on how you treat the game an how you approach it, nothing comes to those who dont try, so it is either give up time or stay an be determined that the game wont beat you.
On a side not, do you think the leader of the CFC would or could be the person he is without the ppl you dont know about? the only reason you know of him is because of the ppl with him, if they left he would just be another ex leader of a failed coalition some time down the line, bit much like all others, an same goes for any coalition leader or any leader of note, they are who they are because of the ppl beside them, the ones you dont know about, the ones in the background grinding the gears keeping it going.
First thing you can do for yourself though is find something you enjoy doing in EVE an take it from there, if there is nothing you enjoy then yes i would just leave because i wouldnt recommend to anyone to continue something they do not enjoy |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4005
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:22:00 -
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Some of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Ski9g3as4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96b7Jk5xCTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfv1QtZDirY |
Heketoro
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:24:00 -
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Something I find to be a major turn off with this game is the level of elitism found among many of it's players, which can clearly be seen in many of the responses found in this topic. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:50:00 -
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Any newbie can research an ammo BPO to ME10 in a few days and make a profit with the new industry system. |
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