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Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:04:00 -
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I am having fun mining in low sec and npc null using the new cloaking expedition mining frig.
However the logistics and obvious interruptions - i.e the need to cloak up when I feel threatened or simply redocking often to unload as support from haulers is not advisable.
I'm enjoying it far more than hi sec mining but the money I can make is just is just to much of a loss when comparing it to afk exhumer orca boosted hi sec mining.. hell even too a afk retriever mining hi sec can make more unboosted because of the lack of logistical issues .
I have previously mined with a alliance in null sec space and that's a massive jump up in isk per hour comparing it to high sec but that was due to far superior rocks and a massive support network. I just wish I had a incentive to mine low sec their isn't really a step up in isk to reflect the risk. Not asking for much I know ill never make as much isk or as easy isk in low than high just want a slight buff some where so im not shooting myself in the foot and in the wallet so badly buy mining low sec.. seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Must be a way I can have fun mining and make descent money in low sec. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4508
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:10:00 -
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if you're talking ore, the money is significantly less than in hisec. Your cloaky frig won't come close to the capabilities of an exhumer.
I agree that something needs to change for people to actually do it. But that goes for more than a few PVE activities in low. Sugar Kyle, are you listening? The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2454
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:17:00 -
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Thing is, you're doing it wrong.
You shouldn't be mining in lowsec all alone, with no backup.
Granted, once you get into a corp, and have the power to secure yourself in lowsec, you'll typically start looking to nullsec ... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Felicity Love
Second Battlegroup
2068
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:22:00 -
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... or let standings reduce tax / improve processing by the same wee bit... not that that would be a good idea or anything...
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:25:00 -
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Would also like to add, strictly talking ores.. the money in nullsec may seem amazingly more because WT policing is much better (since you're probably in a corp with SOV) thus resulting in less (or eliminating) ship losses. However, you're probably participating in some buyback program or grinding through risky logistics to get your rocks into hisec.
Which again means.. yep, mining in hisec is much more profitable.
Two Cruis-specific exceptions to what I've said: refining in null, compression. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
245
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:25:00 -
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People always say you're doing it wrong if you're mining without backup in lowsec but the fact is thanks to the boring blue doughnut the moment you can defend yourself some bored middle managers will bridge on you and you'll be right back at square one.
But the forums are mostly populated by players from null so now that I've said this your thread can only go downhill. Do you have it? |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
245
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:26:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:However, you're probably participating in some buyback program or grinding through risky logistics to get your rocks into hisec.
I'd like to introduce you to ore compression and the jump brdige/titan network. Do you have it? |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
123
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:29:00 -
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I managed to mine in a system for some time, using a Procurer, jetcans, and a Miasmos. It was a bit more profitable than high-sec (not a godsend) for a while but eventually a corp became active in the system and I became dead.
However mining frigates, even the Prospect, aren't recommended for low-sec roid mining. A Procurer will suit you there, as you'll need it to tank the rats. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:30:00 -
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Hicksimus wrote:Sibyyl wrote:However, you're probably participating in some buyback program or grinding through risky logistics to get your rocks into hisec.
I'd like to introduce you to ore compression and the jump brdige/titan network. Didn't include jump bridges in my post, but I did mention compression.
Brave didn't have this convenience in place when I was with them, so I never had the pleasure. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16085
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:36:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something.
Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that..
Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space.
Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that.. Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space. Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'.
You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1029
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:44:00 -
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So you are saying that mining in a relative secure area with a security force that supposedly protects the autonomy of it's citizens is more profitable than in an area that has less protection? Amazing.
There is a reason there are farms, and companies that sell arms to Somalia, in America. But what evs, let's subsidize people for behaviors performed in an environment not conducive to those behaviors, right?
Just because you can perform many of the same activities in all secs doesn't mean you should or that they should be equally profitable. There are activities in lo that cannot be performed in hi or null that are very profitable. If return is your concern maybe focus on those activities. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Paranoid Loyd
1094
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:45:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that.. Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space. Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'. You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll
You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:46:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that.. Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space. Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'. Thanks for making an unnecessary generalization. I've argued before that all ore should be removed from hisec. This would be one realistic way to move this activity into low.
Additionally, Hed, Hemo, and Jas were already in low prior to Crius.
Ark and Bis have lower profitability than Scordite. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:48:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? UaE is wrong. You can check my post as to why. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Paranoid Loyd
1094
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:53:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? UaE is wrong. You can check my post as to why.
Since Kronos, not Crius I have seen plenty more anomalies then I used to, and many of them have better ores than they used to. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
226
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:56:00 -
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Why do people compare a Prospect mining in low/null to Exhumer mining in Hi and then say its not fair.
Actually use your brain and compare Prospect low / null to Prospect Hi. Suddenly you'll find Hi sec a lot less attractive to mine in. |
Cheshirepus
Divinity Rising Derpy Muffins Conglomerate
9
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:58:00 -
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For what it's worth, I used to mine entire low sec grav sites full of Gneiss and Crokite back when probing was prohibitively tedious, boring, and time consuming. It's when they introduced the new probing mechanics that nerfed old school low sec mining (in my opinion).
It used to be pretty glorious actually. We'd fly in 3 or 4 Retrievers inside a couple of Iteron III's, assemble them in a 0.2 station, mine several hours while spamming directional, watching for other people's probes as they figured out what was going on and spent the next 20 minutes salivating for that 100% signature.
Sometimes we'd get jumped, most of the time we didn't. Then there was flying two non-cloaking Iteron III's full of zydrine through 3 or 4 low sec gates back to hi-sec... |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4509
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:59:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Since Kronos, not Crius I have seen plenty more anomalies then I used to, and many of them have better ores than they used to. While some of the ores you mentioned have been there all along, they added more quantity. Yep, there is more ore to get. This does not affect profitability (and thus attractiveness as an activity). Prior to Crius, I never ran out of things to mine. This can easily be managed with planning (and jump clones).
What cuts into profitability is: (1) threats that will cause you to dock, jump to another belt or system, or cloak (this eats time) (2) losing ships (eats into ISK)
Adding more anomalies doesn't address the core issue: it's not worth mining in low. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2031
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that.. Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space. Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'.
Yeah, well a typical highsec fleet miner can go Prospect mine in lowsec and lose about 50% in profits.
Or you can bring your Orca fleet with or without combat support hoping for a 20% boost and some bored windowlickers in their overbloated alliances will hotdrop your ass with 50 people and you instantly lose every ship.
Good luck getting anyone with an IQ over 10 to move away from high to low mining for anything but fun. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:03:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? UaE is wrong. You can check my post as to why. Since Kronos, not Crius I have seen plenty more anomalies then I used to, and many of them have better ores than they used to. While some of the ores you mentioned have been there all along, they added more quantity.
The quantity of those ores is not and was not a issue as very few people mine in low sec certainly not in the same area's. The ores were always of a high enough amount to keep one person busy... no one is competing. The problem I have is that id make more money mining vledspar in high sec, The price difference between high sec ore and jaspet etc is no where near enough to make up for the draw backs of mining low sec.
Only the top few ores in null totally out shine high sec. and those still would not be profitable if you were not in a large alliance to keep you secure and provide logistics ore buyers for your goods / ore. My point stands I im shooting myself in the foot for not mining in high sec, low sec isk wise is not viable for a miner... though I will continue on regardless because I find the danger to be a turn on.. keeps me on my toes. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16086
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:03:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? UaE is wrong. You can check my post as to why.
Oh Sibs, What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
They had buffed lowsec ores a 'wee bit' as per the Kronos notes, and knowing that this had happened, as im sure the OP knew about.. being pro miner with the new Prospect frigate and all, he wanted more. So, broad generalization or not, I was correct.
Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll
Second law of Trollodynamics states that 'Just because someone disagrees with you, they must be trolling."
The Third law of Trollodynamics states that 'Just because you were proven wrong, doesn't necessarily mean you were trolled.'
In case you wanted to know, the First Law of Trollodynamics states that 'Trolling in a troll thread isn't trolling, but is in fact being on topic. Anyone who decides to post on topic in a troll thread is in fact themselves trolling.' Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4510
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:09:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Oh Sibs, What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
They had buffed lowsec ores a 'wee bit' as per the Kronos notes, and knowing that this had happened, as im sure the OP knew about.. being pro miner with the new Prospect frigate and all, he wanted more. So, broad generalization or not, I was correct. When you use that Mr. Muffin voice to make your point, I can't help but completely agree with you.
I'm sorry for doubting ya.
The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |
Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:09:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll You asked for a buff to Low-Sec mining, he pointed out they recently buffed it , and you apparently don't know how to look for said buffs. How in anyway shape or form is that trolling? UaE is wrong. You can check my post as to why. Oh Sibs, What I told you was true, from a certain point of view. They had buffed lowsec ores a 'wee bit' as per the Kronos notes, and knowing that this had happened, as im sure the OP knew about.. being pro miner with the new Prospect frigate and all, he wanted more. So, broad generalization or not, I was correct. Jolie Bindoa wrote:You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll Second law of Trollodynamics states that 'Just because someone disagrees with you, they must be trolling." The Third law of Trollodynamics states that 'Just because you were proven wrong, doesn't necessarily mean you were trolled.' In case you wanted to know, the First Law of Trollodynamics states that 'Trolling in a troll thread isn't trolling, but is in fact being on topic. Anyone who decides to post on topic in a troll thread is in fact themselves trolling.'
You disagree with almost every one.. you prowl these forums spamming, stop crying and can I have your stuffz when you go and similar things.
Quantity was added yes, not quality. adding more of those ore's did not help as their are still very few miners mining in low sec. . it Made zero difference I could mine sed ore and not run out before I can still mine that ore and not run out now. And ill still be better off mining Vledspar while watching net flix in high sec. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16087
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:23:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:You disagree with almost every one.. you prowl these forums spamming, stop crying and can I have your stuffz when you go and similar things.
Quantity was added yes, not quality. adding more of those ore's did not help as their are still very few miners mining in low sec. . it Made zero difference I could mine sed ore and not run out before I can still mine that ore and not run out now. And ill still be better off mining Vledspar while watching net flix in high sec.
But they did add quality.. they added Arkonor and Bistot, 2 higher quality ores that Lowsec did not have before!
Why should mining in a frigate be more lucrative than mining in a barge? Regardless of sec, regardless of the quality of the ores being mined.. the barge will ALWAYS mine more than the frigate. Always. A retriever will mine more ISK in veldspar in an hour than your Prospect will mine in ABCs in that same hour no matter what. That's just the nature of the beast.
Now what id like to disagree with is your choice to mine while AFK in highsec. You should really forgo watching Netflix in favor of being at your keyboard and paying attention! Also, don't forget to fit tank over yield, and be friendly in local.
I didn't realize that I spam 'can I have your stuff?'. That seems a tad childish of me and I apologize. Perhaps maybe we started off on the wrong foot. If you happen to leave Eve for any reason, I would be glad to hold on to your belongings.. as a trusted friend. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
902
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:34:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Thing is, you're doing it wrong.
You shouldn't be mining in lowsec all alone, with no backup.
Granted, once you get into a corp, and have the power to secure yourself in lowsec, you'll typically start looking to nullsec ... It would be nice if it were viable to solo mine in low, but the increased risk of ship loss with little to no increase in profits makes it a stupid idea. Hell wormholes have a similar risk level and are far more profitable. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
902
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:36:00 -
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ack, double post. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:40:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:You disagree with almost every one.. you prowl these forums spamming, stop crying and can I have your stuffz when you go and similar things.
Quantity was added yes, not quality. adding more of those ore's did not help as their are still very few miners mining in low sec. . it Made zero difference I could mine sed ore and not run out before I can still mine that ore and not run out now. And ill still be better off mining Vledspar while watching net flix in high sec. But they did add quality.. they added Arkonor and Bistot, 2 higher quality ores that Lowsec did not have before! Why should mining in a frigate be more lucrative than mining in a barge? Regardless of sec, regardless of the quality of the ores being mined.. the barge will ALWAYS mine more than the frigate. Always. A retriever will mine more ISK in veldspar in an hour than your Prospect will mine in ABCs in that same hour no matter what. That's just the nature of the beast. Now what id like to disagree with is your choice to mine while AFK in highsec. You should really forgo watching Netflix in favor of being at your keyboard and paying attention! Also, don't forget to fit tank over yield, and be friendly in local. I didn't realize that I spam 'can I have your stuff?'. That seems a tad childish of me and I apologize. Perhaps maybe we started off on the wrong foot. If you happen to leave Eve for any reason, I would be glad to hold on to your belongings.. as a trusted friend.
As it happens a prospect can match the retriever in yield it does have a smaller hold so solo would loose money on more redocks etc. So your why should a frigate mine more than a barge point is mute.. Its a T2 frig and a barge is T1 the prospect can already compete with barges -- not exhumers of course
But im no talking about that.. compare a prospect mining low to a prospect mining in high both solo both unboosted with no haulers. The hi sec prospect can do so with out interruption, no cloaking up or spamming D scan needed, it has no messing around hauling goods threw low sec to sell. And regardless of all of those things the price of low sec ore is quite close to high sec ore.
Arkonor and Bistot are very rare in those anoms.. 99.9% of the anoms are jaspet and gneiss. Finding Arkonor is such a rare find it does not come into the equation.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16088
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:48:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:As it happens a prospect can match the retriever in yield it does have a smaller hold so solo would loose money on more redocks etc. So your why should a frigate mine more than a barge point is mute.. Its a T2 frig and a barge is T1 the prospect can already compete with barges -- not exhumers of course
But im no talking about that.. compare a prospect mining low to a prospect mining in high both solo both unboosted with no haulers. The hi sec prospect can do so with out interruption, no cloaking up or spamming D scan needed, it has no messing around hauling goods threw low sec to sell. And regardless of all of those things the price of low sec ore is quite close to high sec ore.
Arkonor and Bistot are very rare in those anoms.. 99.9% of the anoms are jaspet and gneiss. Finding Arkonor is such a rare find it does not come into the equation.
Well if you are not opposed to going into lowsec and into harms way, then why not dive into WHs and Ninja gas and such for much much better ISK? Why not go into null and mine the good stuffs? Its clear that you have use of D-scan down and are able to pay attention to local for threats, why not apply these skills in more profitable places?
It makes more sense to go where the money is, than to ask the heavens to change.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
902
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:51:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:As it happens a prospect can match the retriever in yield it does have a smaller hold so solo would loose money on more redocks etc. So your why should a frigate mine more than a barge point is mute.. Its a T2 frig and a barge is T1 the prospect can already compete with barges -- not exhumers of course
But im no talking about that.. compare a prospect mining low to a prospect mining in high both solo both unboosted with no haulers. The hi sec prospect can do so with out interruption, no cloaking up or spamming D scan needed, it has no messing around hauling goods threw low sec to sell. And regardless of all of those things the price of low sec ore is quite close to high sec ore.
Arkonor and Bistot are very rare in those anoms.. 99.9% of the anoms are jaspet and gneiss. Finding Arkonor is such a rare find it does not come into the equation.
Well if you are not opposed to going into lowsec and into harms way, then why not dive into WHs and Ninja gas and such for much much better ISK? Why not go into null and mine the good stuffs? Its clear that you have use of D-scan down and are able to pay attention to local for threats, why not apply these skills in more profitable places? It makes more sense to go where the money is, than to ask the heavens to change. That's kinda the problem with low sec mining right now, w-space is more lucrative and safer. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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