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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:01:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Come now, Oddy. You're going to attack someone through their family? Yeah, that's civilized. So you imply it is not? Collective punishment and kin liability are among the most effective instruments of law. On Palas we do not use transcranial microcontrollers for most slaves, but a sophisticated system of self-governing slave communities headed by an overseer. In cases of misconduct and crime we mostly do not punish the wrongdoer alone, but his family and the overseer. People are often able to endure unkind circumstances for themselves, but a mother can hardly bear up pain done her child. Misconduct hardly happens.
NaupliusGÇÖ family deserves nothing but slavery for the deeds of their own flesh and blood. It will protect them and serve as an example to others. Physical pain and suffering is irrelevant when the soul is at stake.
Samira Kernher wrote:I doubt the Blooder cares anything about any family he may have. But good luck to the RKN and the Danera authorities all the same. He might not care, but others will. Fear is the greatest father and teacher of law. My father always said: To punish one, is to teach a hundred.
In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Guard [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3891
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:06:00 -
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Out of interest, what happens if a non-Amarrian pilot is able to produce those trophies? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:09:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Out of interest, what happens if a non-Amarrian pilot is able to produce those trophies? He will receive our compliments. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3891
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:11:00 -
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Not, say, the compliments and a hundred million Kredits? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:14:00 -
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Topoteretes Hakatain. Has a certain ring to it. A terrible one, but a ring nonetheless. Tell you what, I'll toss you the money if they toss you the title and you promise to display it publicly. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3892
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:27:00 -
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I'll have it engraved on a coronet. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
241
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:33:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet.
I'll craft you a wreath to inscribe this title upon. It'll go well with the beard. Very kingly. aÑÉ |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:47:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
You are a Minmatar lover. Like PIE. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
52
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Posted - 2014.08.04 15:19:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Not, say, the compliments and a hundred million Kredits?
In the Name of God
Mr Hakatain
To make manifest our deep friendship with the Caldari State and its citizens, I have signed a decree that authorises the granting of honorary military titles of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to members of the eight great corporations. The payment of 100.000.000 ISK is combined with the title.
Regards Morijah dGÇÖHanguest
We want to remain what we are! |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
581
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:39:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
What would happen if I, or indeed, any of my Church, provided such items ?
I am a capsuleer of an Amarrian faith, after all. |
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
113
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:49:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
I reiterate, as I've announced before on the IGS, "The Society will replace any hulls and modules lost by any of the Faithful engaging Nauplius (within the bounds of rationality), indefinitely."
To Ms. Valate, Sani Sabik need not apply. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:26:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet.
And you'll WEAR the coronet? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3907
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Posted - 2014.08.04 22:51:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet. And you'll WEAR the coronet?
Only when seated on the throne. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Slave A00073078
New Order Logistics CODE.
27
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Posted - 2014.08.05 07:25:00 -
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See this makes me sad. I wonder if this Naupilus fellow ever undocks? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:38:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet. And you'll WEAR the coronet?
That option will certainly be available to me. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
328
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:38:00 -
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Perhaps I may have become a little jaded in my short time in space, but there is very little shocking or awe-inspiring in the drivel that continues to pour forth from this individual.
The sad thing, the only truly effective means of dealing with him is complete silence. Shooting him might bring temporary relief for some, but in the end the depressing fact remains...unless a means to disable the transfer of his consciousness from one clone to another happens, he is immortal and will continue on this path.
There was a time where I thought that perhaps there might be a means to either convince an other of the errors of their ways, but time after time I have been shown how very inflexible us capsuleers as a whole are. We are in theory a step beyond humanity as a whole, yet instead of being more open and receptive to change we seem to fixate solely upon an ideal and doggedly refuse to admit that we may in fact be wrong.
If we are in fact the next step in humanity's progress (or evolution as some might say), then I fear for our future. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3896
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:57:00 -
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We're not a step beyond humanity. We ARE humanity. Humans in bottles, distilled and hardened and purified by the crucible of competition. You'll find the best and the worst among capsuleer just like in any other walk of human life.
If anything, the most damaging notion we collectively hold is the idea that we're in some way different to baseliners. As if a few sockets in our spine and some specialist training suddenly turns us into something better.
I don't know the first thing about agriculture, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know how to drive a ground vehicle or play a musical instrument. I'm a fairly decent codebreaker by dint of raw processing power but my approach is all brute-force, no finesse. I go to lank-haired Hikikomori to get my software because I know that they've put in the time and effort that I have not. I don't have the contacts of a top infobroker, nor the street smarts of a slum gangbanger.
When it comes down to it, what I'm best at is flying starships and building more starships. That's just a skill like any other. valuable, but not special. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
329
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:11:00 -
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If we are still humanity, why are we segregated from baseliners for the most part? Confined to specific areas on most stations? Even if we do not consider ourselves different from the baseliner, they sure as heck view us as different and go to great lengths to make that known.
And honestly, with the technology implanted into our bodies, I sure it would be a matter of only a few days for any one of us to become experts in agriculture if we so chose to...all it takes is a program or two to get uploaded into our brains. We might stumble over the actual manual side of things...but again, a few well spent isk here and there combined with expert knowledge of how systems interact with each other and we could become the next (insert an industry) tycoon.
To date, I have yet to see a limitation upon the amount of knowledge/expertise we are capable of uploading and retaining aside from the limitations of the clone model...and that limitation only applies if you get podded. Stay in station and never undock, as far as I know, you could master everything...given time. And seeing how we are made nigh-immortal, time is no longer a factor for us.
Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3911
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:14:00 -
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Steff, it's nothing special that causes us to be isolated from our baseliner kin, it's something as simple as law and order.
Society allows us all to get along because it assigns punishments to the most egregious anti-social acts. As Capsuleers we side-step those consequences and that is what makes us dangerous to our kin. Nothing more or less than the fact that we can get away with murder. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3899
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:21:00 -
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The capsule, clones, cybernetic engram learning, it's all just tools, and the defining property that sets humanity apart from pretty much every other species we've ever encountered is sophisticated tool-use.
The best anything else in the cluster manages is fishing grubs out of a tree stump using a bent stick. Meanwhile, we've figured out a tool that allows us to transfer our subjective continuity of experience from body to body nigh-instantly. But both the stick and the CRU are on the same trajectory, albeit one's a much "lower energy" accomplishment than the other.
And it wasn't capsuleers who invented the technology that makes us capsuleers. We're end-users, remember. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
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Posted - 2014.08.05 23:07:00 -
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The hell are you on about, Hakatain? I am divine, thank you very much. Never even set foot dirtside, in fact.
On a more serious note, sure we're human. Humans aren't homogenous by any stretch of the word, though. The differences between true spacers, perpetual dirtsiders and in future generations w-spacer pureborn-and-breds are quite different in many key ways. The physiological differences are measurable even just from system to system, planet to planet and region to region.
Add to this the reasonably unique modifications we do to ourselves as capsuleers from different cultures and genetic backgrounds, determining much of the way we augment and modify ourselves and there's very little reason not to differentiate ourselves from simply "human".
That particular blanket term is insufficient as far as I'm concerned and I can't wait to see how far we'll go in exploring new forms of humanity in our lifetimes. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.06 00:47:00 -
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Empyrean versus baseliner is irrelevant. What is relevant is Chosen versus Non-Chosen. And within the latter, another relevant distinction: given over to destruction versus not given over to destruction. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
865
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Posted - 2014.08.06 02:15:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Empyrean versus baseliner is irrelevant. What is relevant is Chosen versus Non-Chosen. And within the latter, another relevant distinction: given over to destruction versus not given over to destruction. Relevance is a matter of perspective. I find your perspective of relevance irrelevant. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
2117
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Posted - 2014.08.06 04:19:00 -
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You for very scary person, Mista Naplioos.
Why to hurt so many peoples?
If you no feeling good can ask Doctor Amelia to comm you and talk about? She so really nice and can help with things in body and head too, she help for me and my sister too.
Noob Alt-á |-á Special Dusette-á|-á Silly Robot Arm
Collect all 4 Dusette Action Figures.-á(Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
582
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Posted - 2014.08.06 05:39:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
What would happen if I, or indeed, any of my Church, provided such items ? I am a capsuleer of an Amarrian faith, after all.
I had the opportunity to ask Duchess D'Hanguest this question in person.
She accused me of abusing language. How rude.
I suppose then, it's fortunate that I have no intention of shooting Nauplius, merely of embarrassing the Duchess.
Oh well. |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
356
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:24:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:I had the opportunity to ask Duchess D'Hanguest this question in person.
She accused me of abusing language. How rude.
I suppose then, it's fortunate that I have no intention of shooting Nauplius, merely of embarrassing the Duchess.
Oh well. What you are calling GÇ£an Amarrian faithGÇ¥ is neither Amarrian nor a faith. It is a heretic cult of despised traitors. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1208
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:03:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:There are 84.119 billion Minmatar living in the Caldari State. Someday, there will be none. There will be none because on that glorious day when the Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant fully embraces the True Faith and gives the order for the total extermination of the Minmatar people, the Caldari will loyally and faithfully give their Minmatar over to destruction...and participate in the destruction themselves.
There is much to be done before the Caldari will surrender their Minmatar. The Caldari must learn that no matter how hard a Minmatar works, no matter how loyally he serves his megacorporation, he is still a filithy subhuman who has been given over to destruction. The Minmatar must come to be seen as unworthy of charity, unworthy of pity GÇö objects of revulsion to be tormented. The Minmatar must be dehumanized, objectified GÇö made into an other. Mr. Nauplius, Caldari don't own Minmatars to give them over. Slavery in the State is prohibited, thus both slaves and slavers are outlaws.
As for being other - they already are. They are jaijii to us.
And charity with pity are not compatible with prosperous business organizations: if minmatars work for any corporation, they are well paid and fed. If they don't work - they are not paid and they are not fed. Caldari don't waste resources on material that doesn't help Caldari.
Nauplius wrote: A first step has been taken today at Station - Lisudeh VI - Moon 2 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory. 123,918 filthy Minmatar subhuman slaves were stuffed into 92 Sigil-class Industrials, undocked one at a time. EDIT: Illegal link to killboard removed - ISD Tyrozan Lest any slaves survive, even the Sigil wrecks were promptly shot, despite the attempted interference of Pilot Maria Daphiti, who despite several rescue attempts managed only to recover a few cargohold expanders. Unlike my execution of a million slaves some months ago, one made before I embraced the True Faith, this time I made no effort to reduce the slaves' suffering via Vitoc megadosing and instead inflicted maximum psychological torment. Children were ripped from parents and sent ahead to die on the first industrials. Large holo-projectors broadcast to the hanger bay each exploding Sigil from within and without, interspersed with images of hellfire and damnation (for these slaves have been conditioned with the doctrine of Hell and the inevitability of their torments there for the moment they were purchased). In all of these things, God was glorified.
But the performance of Kaalakiota Corporation employees this day left much to be desired. Time and again my industrial pilot was delayed from docking in his pod with the excuse that he had not finished undocking, even though he had undocked enough for my Ashummu-class SS Bloodletter to destroy his ship. From my station crew I heard of worse. Weeping. Questioning. The GÇ£thousand yard stareGÇ¥ of those suffering traumatic stress disorder. The Caldari must overcome all of these before they will give their Minmatar over to destruction.
For all that, today the employees of one Caldari station have been a little bit hardened. A little bit desensitized. They have learned a little about how Minmatar are to be treated under the True Faith. There shall be many more lessons to come.
As I said, Mr. Nauplius, slaves are outlaws in the State, but for one outlaw to kill another in the State territory is unacceptable. They should have arrested both you and slaves for criminal behavior, violation of civil order, misconduct, trespassing, unlawful weapon discharge and hooliganism. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:25:00 -
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Ms. Kim, the system in which this glorious sacrifice took place is not located in the Caldari State.
But the day will come when the Caldari become Chosen and learn to see their Minmatar not as workers too be paid a wage, but as slaves to be done with as the Chosen please. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1208
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:53:00 -
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I am sorry about that, Mr. Nauplius, then it is not Caldari business.
As for slavery, Mr. Nauplius, it's not just outlawed, it is inefficient and dangerous. Caldari society prefers more professional, fruitful and risk adverse labor management. We succeed because we hire best quality workers, and not slaves, foaming vitoc or other drugs from mouth.
We prefer to hire Civire instead of Brutor. Maybe Civire aren't that strong, but they keep precision and determination to work even under stress. We prefer to hire Achura as scientists instead of Sebiestor, because, social aspects aside, Achura outperform Sebiestors and anyone else at mental tasks. And finally, we prefer Deteis in management position, because proper planning, organization and stimulation of personnel is way better than slave driver, who just cracks whip and screams at slaves to work faster. |
Marcus Gord
Stormcrows
63129
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:56:00 -
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I actually find myself in agreement with Ms Kim.
I think I need a drink. You can't take the sky from me
".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....." http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png |
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