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Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:37:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I had to read the OP twce before I realized the fallacy.
When he brought up sov..... Thats when I realized he "wants what they got" so he can play in it, without working for it.
Blackops is a special field of study for special reasons. Blackops needs to be studied much more carefully and deeper, rather than asking for another deployable.
In any military today. They dont send new recruits to sniper school, so the recruit can ask for evac when things get scary.
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Eto Tekai
Basgerin Pirate
62
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:40:00 -
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It is fairly common to return home after a successful blackops. You need to refuel, drop loot, pick up other ect.
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Nullsec sov was established by people who worked for it. As a team. You want to jump into THEIR space and light a cyno. Thats what blackops do. Blackops is blackops. You can go solo, or as a team.
Sounds like you are suggesting "I dont want to work for it, I just want it because they have it". Without working for it.
Small groups in lowsec work together too you know, Different parts of the game man. Having a deployable that costs resources, and has a timer, would be the drawback to nullsec's beacons.
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Gonna call BS on this one.
Your OP was all about getting your blops fleet back home without risk, now your claiming it's for lowsec logistics. What's next, going to claim your bad idea would be good for rookies... oh wait, someone already did.
Face it, if you have to keep changing your argument to justify your idea, it was a crap idea to start with and you need to give it up.
I have not changed my argument one time, i've simply added other reasons why it is a good idea.
Making logistics simpler makes the game more user friendly to the most important people in the game.. the content creators. i cannot create a fleet for my group unless i have 3 or 4 charecters who will not get to partisipate in the operation. I would simply like to have a deployable to avoid making an entire account's purpose returning the fleet home. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1063
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:41:00 -
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If you're doing blops and using this depot as a return cyno, you're going to get camped and blown up on the way home.
Unless you park eyes on it, but at that point just use a cyno alt instead. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov! |
Eto Tekai
Basgerin Pirate
62
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:41:00 -
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Kharaxus wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I had to read the OP twce before I realized the fallacy. When he brought up sov..... Thats when I realized he "wants what they got" so he can play in it, without working for it. Blackops is a special field of study for special reasons. Blackops needs to be studied much more carefully and deeper, rather than asking for another deployable. In any military today. They dont send new recruits to sniper school, so the recruit can ask for evac when things get scary.
this doesnt make any sense, I have all the tools and skills to properly blackops.
I'm trying to get rid of the need for a 1 million skillpoint alt who could be better used somewhere else. |
Eto Tekai
Basgerin Pirate
62
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:43:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:If you're doing blops and using this depot as a return cyno, you're going to get camped and blown up on the way home.
Unless you park eyes on it, but at that point just use a cyno alt instead.
the dedicated bridge would be there to check to see if the way is clear. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23614
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:43:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:I'm trying to get rid of the need for a 1 million skillpoint alt who could be better used somewhere else. GǪand that sounds like the best argument ever to not make it happen. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7465
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:46:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:Kharaxus wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I had to read the OP twce before I realized the fallacy. When he brought up sov..... Thats when I realized he "wants what they got" so he can play in it, without working for it. Blackops is a special field of study for special reasons. Blackops needs to be studied much more carefully and deeper, rather than asking for another deployable. In any military today. They dont send new recruits to sniper school, so the recruit can ask for evac when things get scary. this doesnt make any sense, I have all the tools and skills to properly blackops. I'm trying to get rid of the need for a 1 million skillpoint alt who could be better used somewhere else.
Newsflash, Asking CCP for a game breaking change meets with resistance from community.
It's a bad idea, that's why you get no support for it from anyone with any sense. |
Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:50:00 -
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If I can jump a rifter or a wreathe into nullsec sov space, and return home, you can jump blackops into nullsec sov space and return home. |
mow hawk
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:51:00 -
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I demand a deployable fleet.
Please, give me a gigantic school bus so I can deploy a fleet when someone decides to try and gank me...and the fleet can deploy fleets...like those Russian dolls.
Imagine the possibilities.
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Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:58:00 -
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I want to sneak into a terrorist training camp in a 3rd world country somewhere because the dictator in that training camp is training new recruits to be his cannon fodder, as he plots to take over a country.
I want a guarantee that I can safely sneak in and sneak out - but he can't be allowed to have that technology, just me.
This isn't just ANY video game. This is EVE ONLINE!!!!!! |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
797
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Posted - 2014.08.03 18:29:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:Lugia3 wrote:If you're doing blops and using this depot as a return cyno, you're going to get camped and blown up on the way home.
Unless you park eyes on it, but at that point just use a cyno alt instead. the dedicated bridge would be there to check to see if the way is clear.
and you just killed your own argument. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:48:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:We need a deployable that produces a cyno. When doing blackops fleets, one of the tools required is a return cyno. an alt is currently required to return the fleet back to its reset state. If we had a deployable that costed roughly 20~ million and lasted an hour it would free up a charecter, and allow 2 or 3 people to do blackops without alt armys.
Eto Tekai wrote:Yes you can bridge to a beacon.
That is why I am suggesting it, it would give lowsec people the same logistical ability as nullsec sov. It would only last an hour though.
One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly. ~ Boromir
There is a reason one does not simply fly into Nullsec. There is a reason one does not simply fly into sov space.
For CCP to allow us tools to be used to fly into somebody else's space, which they worked hard for without those tools, because we don't understand simple basic game mechanics/logistics? Wrong. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3662
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:39:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:Director Stoned wrote:Like this aint a bad idea but i'd like take it like two step forward and like make supercaps a deployable also. imagine like you are like in a losing battle and one of your bro's like drops this deployable down that can like tank your mom and you just start getting capital reps from this baby as it deploys fightbombers. it wouldn't be useful in combat, 2 minute activation time, easily killable. this would be for logistical purposes only.
Give it 5 minutes and THEN we have a good utility item. Gives an enemy LOTS of time to pop it so only the derpiest ones could get hot dropped by it. The size would be equal to 1 cycle worth of cyno fuel.
And we need a covert version too of course.
And the standard mechanic of it being a global beacon would still apply, but the beacon wouldn't show up until it was anchored and online.
The covert one would remain beaconless, require cyno theory 5 and anchoring 5, and would be scannable by combat probes.
Once the cyno anchors it has a short reinforce time of maybe 60 seconds to ensure someone wanting to use it can get through it. And besides, if it was able to survive the 5 minute anchor then 1 minute of guaranteed use wouldn't be a bad idea. The Drake is a Lie |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5806
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:27:00 -
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I would abuse the hell out of this FYI. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
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