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Kek Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:43:00 -
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Hello friends, new player and future blogger here!
I am working on a first piece about EVE that I intend to premier on my blog. As someone who is fascinated by the EVE community as much as the game itself, I felt the best place to start both for the EVE reader and the uninitiated, would be with a highlight on active new player corps.
Of course, I have a running list of many player corps that qualify. I am in the process of interviewing persons from Brave Newbies, Red vs. Blue, and a few others who will make it into the final cut for sure. What I don't have and what I would be really interested in; however, is a short list of npc newbie corps where the environment is better than average. Persons to contact about the goings on in those corps would also be helpful, but not entirely necessary as I can do my homework from that point.
From word of mouth thus-far I have been informed that Center for Advanced Studies is worth looking into and possibly exceptional, there were also several people in School of Applied Knowledge was also a good example, but from the vantage point of my investigative alt here I did not see anything worthy of note, yet, though I am continuing to monitor the channel for signs of newbie operations and assistance.
Just to make things a little easier on all of us and save me from potential walls of text, I'll provide a template below that you can fill out and hit all the important points I'm looking for.
1. Faction and Name of Corporation 2. Reasons that it is an exceptional corp for new players. 3. Area and/or Timezone of activity (if applicable). 4. Persons to contact about the corp or potential interviewees. 5. Any personal experience or commentary you'd like to share about the corp. |
Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.08.04 22:41:00 -
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The thing is, and I may be wrong here, is that vets don't like the NPC corps be they the newbie ones or the ones you get dumped in after leaving a player owned corp, not only because of war dodging or troll posting, but also the atmosphere and approach to the game that is promoted while there. I spent two weeks in my newbie corp, the Republic Military School, there, the only questions that were taken seriously by most were PVE related, which is fine and all, but PvP is a huge, if not THE selling point of this game. I tried dragging people along to lowsec with me to have some fun, and was accused of being an alt trying to "AWOX" them or of being a masochist since "you'll die like right away dude!".
That isn't a healthy way to look at this game, or any really. So, if my experience in the NPC corp is similar to others, I think that's why vets don't like them, they don't really teach us newbies much apart from which resists to use against which NPCs, and that you need to have X amount of SP before you can even think about PVPing, which is just plain wrong.
I think there must be good people in the NPC corps with a healthy outlook, I don't like to generalize, but I really didn't enjoy my time there, apart from the likeminded friends I made, and left with.
Apologies for not really following your template, I found it difficult to answer that way. Good luck on the article!
Newbie looking to grow and learn to PvP with other newbies? Join BUMP POW today! |
Kek Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.04 22:47:00 -
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Azda Ja wrote:So, if my experience in the NPC corp is similar to others, I think that's why vets don't like them, they don't really teach us newbies much apart from which resists to use against which NPCs, and that you need to have X amount of SP before you can even think about PVPing, which is just plain wrong.
That is definitely the wrong way to approach this game. My understanding; however, was that some of the npc corps were batter than others in this regard. Of course, I am operating at this point on hear-say and rather old forum posts that I googled up, but this exploratory information lead me to believe some corps had volunteer leaders, fleet commanders, and other content generating persons who tried to get the new players excited about more than just their sp count.
Worst coming to worst I'll just personally investigate each corp for a few days, but I was hoping to narrow things down a bit first. I suppose based on your review the Republic Military School should be put on the bottom of the list. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.04 23:21:00 -
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The best advice a newbie can get is get into a player Corp. This thread may be of interest. =][= |
Kek Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.04 23:33:00 -
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I concur with that advice, given that EVE is very much about player interaction at the corp level, but all the same I am pursuing these... rumors I guess, concerning the "better," npc corps for new players since that is where they start and where they remain while they look for a player corp that can fit their interests. It may well be that they were flashed in the pan and/or something that was given up on years ago. Most of the forum citations I have date back to 2011 or so. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.04 23:39:00 -
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CAS do a variety of stuff, they have nullsec and wormhole presences as well as other special interest groups. Boiglio would be the person to speak to Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Kek Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.04 23:42:00 -
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Exactly the kind of leads I am looking for! Thanks a lot Jonah. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.08.05 08:40:00 -
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No offense, but even CAS is very short of a good player corp.
NPC corps are MOSTLY for alts, vets on corp switching or new players (exceptions apply of course). The fun part of NPC corp chat, it's filled with wrong information by misinformed players who never joined a player corp or left high-sec and pollute the newbies with wrong info that makes them affraid to do something. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.08.05 08:44:00 -
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Kek Tsuruomo wrote:Azda Ja wrote:So, if my experience in the NPC corp is similar to others, I think that's why vets don't like them, they don't really teach us newbies much apart from which resists to use against which NPCs, and that you need to have X amount of SP before you can even think about PVPing, which is just plain wrong.
That is definitely the wrong way to approach this game. My understanding; however, was that some of the npc corps were batter than others in this regard. Of course, I am operating at this point on hear-say and rather old forum posts that I googled up, but this exploratory information lead me to believe some corps had volunteer leaders, fleet commanders, and other content generating persons who tried to get the new players excited about more than just their sp count. Worst coming to worst I'll just personally investigate each corp for a few days, but I was hoping to narrow things down a bit first. I suppose based on your review the Republic Military School should be put on the bottom of the list.
Azda hit the nail right on it's head.
And you are wrong, they are all just as terrible.
The only difference is that all of them have maybe a handful of pilots who are good players in there, but they can be neglected in the total size of the NPC corp. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.08.05 11:27:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:The only difference is that all of them have maybe a handful of pilots who are good players in there, but they can be neglected in the total size of the NPC corp.
And someone who's intentionally in the NPC corp for wardec evasion not because no other strategy has occurred to them but as part of a deliberate exercise in harvesting rage... probably isn't talking about the exercise in NPC corp chat. |
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:22:00 -
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Do you actually control which npc you wind up in when you leave a player corp? I thought that you were put into a npc based upon the choices that you make at the character customization screen. Then when you leave a corp you are thrown back into whatever was your original npc. I could be wrong, but I dont think people give much thought to which npc you wind up in when you leave a player corp I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:46:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Do you actually control which npc you wind up in when you leave a player corp? I thought that you were put into a npc based upon the choices that you make at the character customization screen. Then when you leave a corp you are thrown back into whatever was your original npc. I could be wrong, but I dont think people give much thought to which npc you wind up in when you leave a player corp
NPC corps you can be part of are fixed:
Starter and default NPC corps are fixed to your race and bloodline.
NPC FW is fixed when you join any of the FW sides.
So any player has 6 possible NPC corps they can be part of (with 1 only being possible by never switching a corp). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Kek Tsuruomo
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:15:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:No offense, but even CAS is very short of a good player corp, they are just the example that NPC corps that actually do stuff together.
NPC corps are MOSTLY for alts, vets on corp switching or new players (exceptions apply of course). The fun part of NPC corp chat, it's filled with wrong information by misinformed players who never joined a player corp or left high-sec and pollute the newbies with wrong info that makes them affraid to do something.
You should read posts more carefully before you reply. I've addressed all your points. At no time have I tried to defend NPC corp as an alternative to player corp. The purpose of the interview is to see how a relatively better than average npc corp operates and integrate that into my interviews and narrative about player corps like BNI. That should give a more complete picture of how uninitiated newbies find their way around, which I think we can agree is an important thing. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:51:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:No offense, but even CAS is very short of a good player corp, they are just the example that NPC corps that actually do stuff together.
NPC corps are MOSTLY for alts, vets on corp switching or new players (exceptions apply of course). The fun part of NPC corp chat, it's filled with wrong information by misinformed players who never joined a player corp or left high-sec and pollute the newbies with wrong info that makes them affraid to do something.
Compare the underlined. If it's mostly full of alts then it can't be filled with misinformed players. Unless alts are misinformed. Of course, if alts are misinformed then so are the player corps their mains are in.
By that extrapolation, player corps are no better than NPC corps for a new player. Please think before you post stuff like this. New players may actually take your flawed suppositions as fact.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4007
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:16:00 -
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I thought this thread was about player corps after reading the title. I missed the NPC part.
It really doesn't matter which NPC starter corp you use. At one time, you didn't have any choice in the matter either!
I have to look at my Employment History to remember what my starter corp was, and what my default corp is [School of Applied Knowledge & Perkone].
But I have really high standing with Hedion University [Amarrian school], as I "grew-up" in less populated Amarr space, despite being Caldari.
I chose to run combat missions for Hedion University as they had reprocessing in the systems I frequented [and they no longer have a mostly combat division agent]. I don't think I've ever even done missions for [SAK] or [P].
J'Poll wrote:Starter and default NPC corps are fixed to your race and bloodline. You can choose your starting corp within limits now. You still can't choose your default corp though. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:50:00 -
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Azda nailed it. From my experience in CAS, they are no more competent than other NPC corps, just more confident in themselves. They have a surprising superiority complex for a group so damaging to new players. Questions of "How do I find a corp?" are answered with "You're in a corp." Full stop. They spend hours espousing he horrors of player run corps (which provide the very content they are so proud to emulate with their "leadership" and "events"), while actually providing little-to-no help to new players trying to get their bearings.
They are strangle thorns intent on choking the life out of the bright-eyed nooblets with negativity and bad advice. Grab your machete and hack your way toward the light, my young friends. A group is waiting for you. Find it. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1386
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:55:00 -
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"CAS does stuff" apparently
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Winter Archipelago
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:21:00 -
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The Scope (the Gallente corp you end up in after joining a player corp then leaving) is pretty active, and has an active NPSI-type of PvP group (SCOPEWERKS). During the brief times I've been in The Scope, they seemed to be fairly level-headed (in comparison to the other NPC corps) and more realistic about the game, in general.
That being said, they're still an NPC corp, so there is a lot of misinformation and over-blown fears. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:19:00 -
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1. Faction and Name of Corporation Gallente, Center for Advanced Studies
2. Reasons that it is an exceptional corp for new players. Groups of players (who are affiliated with CAS via different ways) participate in some of the various EVE play styles and welcome newbies into those groups to play along and learn. (Note that I've never participated in CAS corp chat, I've only been part of specialized fleets - mostly NPSI in null. That could make my experience with CAS very different from somebody else's. I know the people I fly with by voice and personality.)
3. Area and/or Timezone of activity (if applicable). Mostly US and EU from my experience.
4. Persons to contact about the corp or potential interviewees. Boiglio, as mentioned earlier.
5. Any personal experience or commentary you'd like to share about the corp. Within a week of starting EVE, I found the "CAS Does Stuff" page and decided to try some of that out. I was set up with a jump-clone, escorted into null, and given a few ships to start with. I immediately started participating in roams, PvE and general pew. I even FCed once. I've so far made a fairbit more ISK than I've lost. The group has been immensely helpful to me. Both with advice, encouragement, playing opportunities, and material support. In some ways, it reminds me of what I've heard about life in a player corp is like, but more free-form and decentralized. It's been very fun, and so far I haven't seen any reason to leave. If I hadn't found this group, I probably would have quit EVE, once my trial expired, as boring before finding some other group to fly with. (It's not all roses, of course - conflicts and drama happen, but that's a constant in life, and especially online.)
ps - my first forum post. o/
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nVus Antollare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:18:00 -
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I think CAS corp is a unique anomaly in EVE, its not at all like any of the other NPC corps. It's so called "vets" mentioned above are far more likely to be mains with alts in CAS supporting player run corps. I can only really speak for myself on this but we do make great efforts to bring alot of EVE Online's rich content to rookies with the limits set in NPC corps. I am guilty of telling rookies to stay in our NPC corp for at least as long as they can answer that "how do I join a corp" or "why should I leave this corp" questions themselves.
You can't deny that EVE is full of corps that do pray on rookies, and in the end that hurts everyone. But at CAS we can direct them to one of our specialist interest groups that focus on some aspects of eve play style. From these groups outside of the main CAS channel away from a lot of the noise that comes from such channels that rookie can gain a lot more alot sooner and at the pace they're comfortable with.
And if people choose to stay with CAS you can be sure it's because our way in this sandbox suited them, and we're richer for the experience.
Envy out +¦7 |
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