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CorTez Kurva
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:06:00 -
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Hello, Just started with EVE online again and I bought 2 plex. 1 was for my pilot license and the other one is for sale. I think the money can be useful with buying ships. Im following some tutorials that say I need a bigger ship.
But back to my question. I want to sell the plex for a decent price of 770m but there is to much tax (or how it's called) that I need to pay. So is there maybe another option for me to sell the plex without first earning 7m of ISK?
Kind regards,
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ISD Rontea
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:16:00 -
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You can reduce tax on sale, but did"t reduce it to zero. And 7m ISK is a 1% of 770kk ISK. ISD Rontea Lieutenant -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department
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CorTez Kurva
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:30:00 -
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I don't see an option to reduce the tax. Forgot to say I tried to sell it to the regional market. Its 1% brokers fee and 1,5% tax. In total it's about 18m ISK. Don't mind to pay that but prefer after the plex is sold ;p |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:32:00 -
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As our friendly ISD said, you will always have to pay sales tax / brokers fee (can't remember which on applies to selling and which also is included in buy orders).
So the only way you should be able to get the ISK from selling a PLEX is from first gaining enough ISK for the taxes, which isn't a problem if you do the entire NPE. After you complete the career agents + SoE arc you should be having close to 15mil ISK in your wallet (depending on how much you spent on ships and ammo).
Also, keep in mind even though you have lots of ISK (700mil is A LOT for a new player, you really don't need that much ISK), don't spent it on stuff you don't need.
Bigger and/or more expensive doesn't always equal better in EVE. Fly what you can afford to lose, this means that not only you should have the ISK to replace it but also the income to sustain continues losses (or be okay with the fact that something you can't replace can be lost too). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4300
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:33:00 -
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CorTez Kurva wrote:I don't see an option to reduce the tax. Forgot to say I tried to sell it to the regional market. Its 1% brokers fee and 1,5% tax. In total it's about 18m ISK. Don't mind to pay that but prefer after the plex is sold ;p
It's in the trading skills + standings for the corp that owns the station you are selling the item at.
Both will take time to lower it.
p.s. there is NO skill or mechanics that lets you pay the taxes after the sale, NPCs learned from how much of a deuce the players can be
The only skill coming close is Margin Trading but that only applies on escrow needed on buy orders. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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ISD Rontea
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:34:00 -
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Skills for reduse market tax: Accounting and Broker Relations ISD Rontea Lieutenant -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department
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CorTez Kurva
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:37:00 -
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Haha, Thanks for all the info. Then i'll continue with the tutorials etc. and get that money. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:37:00 -
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I'm looking at some sales I made over night, and it looks like sales tax was taken out after the item sold. So, if the OP has at least the broker fee (7m), he should be golden (as he will have 770m in his wallet before the 1.5% sales taxes are levied against him).
@OP -- in the event that you don't want to pay the 7m broker's listing fee (and don't want to wait for social skills), you can always sell to the buy orders. Note, however that this means taking whatever price the buyer offers (and means you're more likely than not selling below 770m to start with). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4302
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:39:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:I'm looking at some sales I made over night, and it looks like sales tax was taken out after the item sold. So, if the OP has at least the broker fee (7m), he should be golden (as he will have 770m in his wallet before the 1.5% sales taxes are levied against him).
@OP -- in the event that you don't want to pay the 7m broker's listing fee (and don't want to wait for social skills), you can always sell to the buy orders. Note, however that this means taking whatever price the buyer offers (and means you're more likely than not selling below 770m to start with).
Another option, find some friendly person in EVE that doesn't mind lending you the money for a very short period of time to sell the PLEX and immediately pay back the loan.
Here comes EVE rule no 2 into work though: Trust nobody.
So it might be hard to find someone willing to give you the money needed, even for a short amount of time. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
CorTez Kurva
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:58:00 -
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I'll just earn that 7m and do it that way. |
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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:22:00 -
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Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4304
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:33:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you.
Just saying not everybody can use the recurring sub part.
Not everybody owns a CC or has Paypal or any of the other qualified payment options.
When I started you could only have a recurring sub with a CC and thus I had to buy ETC till they added Paypal support.
Also sometime I buy a ETC for cash injection and with current prices I only need one of them sold so cannuse the latter to push back my sub with a month Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:08:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Just saying not everybody can use the recurring sub part. Not everybody owns a CC or has Paypal or any of the other qualified payment options. When I started you could only have a recurring sub with a CC and thus I had to buy ETC till they added Paypal support. Also sometime I buy a ETC for cash injection and with current prices I only need one of them sold so cannuse the latter to push back my sub with a month
You know you do have control over the recurring subscription part of paying for eve. Just pay for a month then cancel the subscription. Easy. Saves you money over buying plex.
Ofc if you are buying plex to get isk from the market that is a different enchilada entirely. But it is incredibly wrong headed for a new player to buy and sell plex. New players simply dont need the isk and the most likely scenario when they do buy plex is expensive loss mails, coupled with lots of tears on the forums about how unfair eve is. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:21:00 -
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Jeezus, all these people and none of you know how sell orders work? You can sell one of two ways: simple and advanced. This is controlled by a drop down box on the sell window. Advanced lets you set your own price and puts up an outstanding sell order (which may be immediately filled if there's a matching outstanding buy order). This requires you to pay a broker's fee up front. Simple immediately sells to the best available outstanding buy order (and thus doesn't let you set the price--it's dictated by the buy order) and does *not* charge a broker's fee. You can place any simple sell order with no ISK whatsoever in your wallet (I have personally tested this to confirm it). There is a sales tax in both cases but it is not charged until the sale completes and is taken out of the sales proceeds. It does not require ISK in the seller's wallet. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:22:00 -
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OP, don't you ever travel around station trading hubs with the PLEX in your cargo, you might regret it.
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Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:35:00 -
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if i give u 7 mill isk. u give it back to me when u sell ur plex? |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2474
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:36:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Just saying not everybody can use the recurring sub part. Not everybody owns a CC or has Paypal or any of the other qualified payment options. When I started you could only have a recurring sub with a CC and thus I had to buy ETC till they added Paypal support. Also sometime I buy a ETC for cash injection and with current prices I only need one of them sold so cannuse the latter to push back my sub with a month You know you do have control over the recurring subscription part of paying for eve. Just pay for a month then cancel the subscription. Easy. Saves you money over buying plex.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
J'Poll -> CCP didn't accept the payment methods I had available for a sub You -> well, just sign up for a sub, and then cancel it.
You kinda need an accepted / valid payment method to purchase the sub in the first place ... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:31:00 -
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OP.. so you have 700 mil...
If you don't have a good ISK stream, in other words you can't support your play style with in-game ISK making activities, then you should start budgeting your 700 mil...
First... take half, 350 million and set it aside.
Now take the other 350 million and divide by 10 = 35 million
35 million is the most you should spend on a fully fit ship such as:
- T1 and T2 Frigates
- T1 Destroyers with T2 rigs
- Some of the T1 Cruisers with T2 rigs
Remember, you want to generate enough ISK to replace the ships you lose before you lose them all.
And oh yeah... the other 350 million? You'll be buying skill books, ammunition, drones, and being a general all around good guy and helping out other new players by handing out a few million here and there. Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today? |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4305
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:47:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Just saying not everybody can use the recurring sub part. Not everybody owns a CC or has Paypal or any of the other qualified payment options. When I started you could only have a recurring sub with a CC and thus I had to buy ETC till they added Paypal support. Also sometime I buy a ETC for cash injection and with current prices I only need one of them sold so cannuse the latter to push back my sub with a month You know you do have control over the recurring subscription part of paying for eve. Just pay for a month then cancel the subscription. Easy. Saves you money over buying plex..
Did you actually read the post.
Not everybody CAN use the recurring sub part. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4305
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:48:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Jeezus, all these people and none of you know how sell orders work? You can sell one of two ways: simple and advanced. This is controlled by a drop down box on the sell window. Advanced lets you set your own price and puts up an outstanding sell order (which may be immediately filled if there's a matching outstanding buy order). This requires you to pay a broker's fee up front. Simple immediately sells to the best available outstanding buy order (and thus doesn't let you set the price--it's dictated by the buy order) and does *not* charge a broker's fee. You can place any simple sell order with no ISK whatsoever in your wallet (I have personally tested this to confirm it). There is a sales tax in both cases but it is not charged until the sale completes and is taken out of the sales proceeds. It does not require ISK in the seller's wallet.
Buy orders can likewise be simple or advanced, incidentally. Remember, if you're buy/selling against existing outstanding orders, use simple and save yourself the broker's fee...
It does, I had it couple of weeks ago when selling stuff.
Had less then 15 mil in my own personal wallet so couldn't sell 2 PLEX I got from a friend (all my ISK in corp wallet and I forgot to tick the "use corp wallet" box)
And I was just selling to buy orders Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:32:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Jeezus, all these people and none of you know how sell orders work? You can sell one of two ways: simple and advanced. This is controlled by a drop down box on the sell window. Advanced lets you set your own price and puts up an outstanding sell order (which may be immediately filled if there's a matching outstanding buy order). This requires you to pay a broker's fee up front. Simple immediately sells to the best available outstanding buy order (and thus doesn't let you set the price--it's dictated by the buy order) and does *not* charge a broker's fee. You can place any simple sell order with no ISK whatsoever in your wallet (I have personally tested this to confirm it). There is a sales tax in both cases but it is not charged until the sale completes and is taken out of the sales proceeds. It does not require ISK in the seller's wallet.
Buy orders can likewise be simple or advanced, incidentally. Remember, if you're buy/selling against existing outstanding orders, use simple and save yourself the broker's fee... It does, I had it couple of weeks ago when selling stuff. Had less then 15 mil in my own personal wallet so couldn't sell 2 PLEX I got from a friend (all my ISK in corp wallet and I forgot to tick the "use corp wallet" box) And I was just selling to buy orders
It's not enough to be selling to buy orders. You have to be using the Simple interface. If you use the Advanced interface--if you can enter a price manually--you're on the hook for the broker's charges, which have to be paid up front, even if you immediately sell to a buy order. I have tested this, and successfully sold items via Simple with 0 ISK in my wallet.
Additional note: apparently you can also get the broker's fee to go away in Advanced if you set your order duration to "Immediate". This is not personally tested by me, but it sounds reasonable. |
CorTez Kurva
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:51:00 -
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I get it. Next time I need to extend my Pilot license I buy ingame time instead of the plex. Then I'll keep the plex for next month. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.08.06 22:13:00 -
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CorTez Kurva wrote:I get it. Next time I need to extend my Pilot license I buy ingame time instead of the plex. Then I'll keep the plex for next month.
in game = PLEX
You want a recurring subscription (which you can cancel straight after that so it doesn't auto renews). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Gor Yo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:46:00 -
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a few points: do NOT follow online tutorials that say you need to get into bigger ships. you will regret it. as they say in EVE, never fly what you cant afford to lose. and if you need to sell PLEX for that ship, pretty soon you will need to sell another one to replace it. chances your support skills arent even there yet to fly bigger ship. battleship lvl 1 skill is the easiest part to get. never leave the station with that PLEX in your cargo hold. now on topic: I think it was already mentioned that you pay the sales tax only AFTER you sell it. you only need to pay a broker fee upon setting up the sale order. you should look into a sales contract. the fee is only 10000 ISK if you create your own, or nothing if you find a contract offering money for your PLEX. however read up on it and be very careful - contract scams are abundant in Jita. or should I say count your zeroes very carefully? :)
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Gor Yo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:47:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:J'Poll wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Jeezus, all these people and none of you know how sell orders work? You can sell one of two ways: simple and advanced. This is controlled by a drop down box on the sell window. Advanced lets you set your own price and puts up an outstanding sell order (which may be immediately filled if there's a matching outstanding buy order). This requires you to pay a broker's fee up front. Simple immediately sells to the best available outstanding buy order (and thus doesn't let you set the price--it's dictated by the buy order) and does *not* charge a broker's fee. You can place any simple sell order with no ISK whatsoever in your wallet (I have personally tested this to confirm it). There is a sales tax in both cases but it is not charged until the sale completes and is taken out of the sales proceeds. It does not require ISK in the seller's wallet.
Buy orders can likewise be simple or advanced, incidentally. Remember, if you're buy/selling against existing outstanding orders, use simple and save yourself the broker's fee... It does, I had it couple of weeks ago when selling stuff. Had less then 15 mil in my own personal wallet so couldn't sell 2 PLEX I got from a friend (all my ISK in corp wallet and I forgot to tick the "use corp wallet" box) And I was just selling to buy orders It's not enough to be selling to buy orders. You have to be using the Simple interface. If you use the Advanced interface--if you can enter a price manually--you're on the hook for the broker's charges, which have to be paid up front, even if you immediately sell to a buy order. I have tested this, and successfully sold items via Simple with 0 ISK in my wallet. Additional note: apparently you can also get the broker's fee to go away in Advanced if you set your order duration to "Immediate". This is not personally tested by me, but it sounds reasonable.
this is true. you dont even need to actually sell it, just set to immediate and see broker fee go away.
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
176
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:52:00 -
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Most of you haven't told him the best method to sell stuff which is by private contract which only costs a paltry 10,000 ISK. (I'm really surprised CCP haven't raised that tax yet..........oops.)
Use a relevant trade channel or the local channel in a trade hub. Not Jita as the local channel there is appalling and unusable. I would say use one of the trading mailing lists as well but they deal in bulk items only really.
Never use open trade window to trade except with in-game friends you really trust. Best to have notably bad people like 'Yummy Yummy Yummy' on block as well. People like her only do trade window scams and other variants of scams to gain their ISK. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
213
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:30:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you.
EU and UK subscriptions are more expensive than 2-packs of PLEX from a US retailer. |
Terminator 2
Omega Boost
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:19:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Just to verify - you say you bought 2 PLEX, one to sell and one for your license. You should never buy PLEX just to renew your subscription ("license"). A month's subscription is $15 while a PLEX is $20. Or maybe I misunderstood you.
Do your research before posting...GTC system was abandoned by CCP and everything except recurring payment defaults to receiving a PLEX for the redeeming system now.
In the recurring case you are right that it is somewhat cheaper than the PLEX sales at CCP, but this is also true for the new PACs or PLEX activation codes as they word it now. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
105
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Posted - 2014.08.14 00:42:00 -
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The Only advice i can offer at this point is dont go nuts on stocking your wallet like that early on, take your time and train right, because its when you have too much ISK and not enough Sense / Skill SP that you see stupidly expensive ships die to smaller more well trained ships. Having that kind of ISK encourages you to buy expensive faction mods that barely out do the T2 in most cases, hence the 5b fully faction fit battleships that die 4 days into the game. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
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