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Blood doll Simalia
Gangrel blood
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:40:00 -
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Last couple of days I spent several billions on relics and production, I was buying Intact ones. I even made a deal with some dude to reduce the cost (margins). Today I realize that I am in minus at least 400 million.
My logic was that for every 5 relics, one will fail, which was ok, that's easy to predict. But the thing with 'undetermined blueprint' is where I start losing money. For every part of T3 ship there is one item that is much more valuable so the key is to get that bpc. So statistically, of 4 possible bpc, one should be the one that I need. Its not flawless calculation, but its close to being 'kind of sure' about your possible return.
I got so much GARBAGE that after 4 days of doing it I was unable to return a profit. I had two versions where it was plausible to keep doing, one which returns your investment and another that gives 200-300m profit, which was based on 1 out of 4 that I explained above. And it still failed!
I know that I am not the first to complain about this, probably wont be the last, and I know that there is a random chance and luck involved, but I really hope that this is going to end with upcoming changes to reverse eng. Things should not be based on luck with billions at stake, maybe to some extent but not to be built around such mechanism... |
Qoi
Exert Force
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:54:00 -
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Well, if you do lots and lots of reverse engineering jobs and you make a profit on average, then the law of big numbers will kick in and you do not need much luck anymore - it will become extremely unlikely that you do not make a profit.
It will require a big initial investment if you are unlucky - but that is a blessing as well as a curse in eve. Furthermore, i respectfully request these forums to be upgraded to support preformatted text. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:01:00 -
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Blood doll Simalia wrote:Last couple of days I spent several billions on relics and production, I was buying Intact ones. I even made a deal with some dude to reduce the cost (margins). Today I realize that I am in minus at least 400 million.
My logic was that for every 5 relics, one will fail, which was ok, that's easy to predict. But the thing with 'undetermined blueprint' is where I start losing money. For every part of T3 ship there is one item that is much more valuable so the key is to get that bpc. So statistically, of 4 possible bpc, one should be the one that I need. Its not flawless calculation, but its close to being 'kind of sure' about your possible return.
I got so much GARBAGE that after 4 days of doing it I was unable to return a profit. I had two versions where it was plausible to keep doing, one which returns your investment and another that gives 200-300m profit, which was based on 1 out of 4 that I explained above. And it still failed!
I know that I am not the first to complain about this, probably wont be the last, and I know that there is a random chance and luck involved, but I really hope that this is going to end with upcoming changes to reverse eng. Things should not be based on luck with billions at stake, maybe to some extent but not to be built around such mechanism...
Not everyone buys their RE mats, plenty of folks live in wormholes loot their own intacts, etc. I started out in RE awhile back and was doing what your doing, buying the mats off the market and pumping out blueprints... I stopped that nonsense real quick after trying to sell the prints on contracts for ages. Now I loot my mats and actually build the hulls/subsystems. Now we are talking isk.
CHA CHING |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:15:00 -
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Why start out with intacts.. use wrecked at first to keep costs down. Also, its very easy to flood a market with subsystems so making a ton at once will just cause you to way overproduce. Also, run your numbers before you start, not after. |
Angie Chatter
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:54:00 -
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infra52x wrote: Not everyone buys their RE mats, plenty of folks live in wormholes loot their own intacts, etc. I started out in RE awhile back and was doing what your doing, buying the mats off the market and pumping out blueprints... I stopped that nonsense real quick after trying to sell the prints on contracts for ages. Now I loot my mats and actually build the hulls/subsystems. Now we are talking isk.
CHA CHING
For the actual "production" profit it makes no difference if u loot or by the artifacts. There is simply no market for T3 BPC, so either u sell raw materials or produce + transport + sell. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4010
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:12:00 -
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Sounds like you are doing subsystems.
Guess why I never do subsystems. |
Arcosian
Arco's Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:16:00 -
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Using intact relics for subs is kinda a waste in my opinion since you end up wasting a lot of isk on junk BPC as you have found out. Sure you get like 72% success but when the relics cost 2-3 times the malfunctioned ones you just end up spending 2-3 times for junk BPC.
Since CCP has junk bonuses tied to some of the subs you end up getting cookie cutter fits for each T3 ship and all the other subsystems go unused in any large quantities. This gives you the current state of the T3 sub market where only 1 out of the four subs is worth anything. This low volume means even 1 char producing T3 subs can easily crash the market for that particular subsystem and be stuck with items in Jita (since that's the only place they really sell) for months.
We also have the new issue with all the extra build/RE costs associated with Crius and believe me they do add up considerably. This means all those useless low volume subs that were produced/stockpiled before Crius are now able to be sold for a profit below the current build cost since they weren't built with all the extra costs post-Crius. And since they are low volume subs the market for them will probably be crap for the next few months until the stockpiles run out.
Like someone said earlier if you want to make T3 for considerable profit then you need to do some WH stuff and get your own relics (RELICS YOU MINE AREN'T FREE) or find a WH corp and buy discount relics from them. Maybe this will change when/if CCP ever gets around to changing invention/RE mechanics but their current trend is making stuff easier so all those high margin BPC we have will plummet if you can start to pick which BPC you want.
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Blood doll Simalia
Gangrel blood
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Posted - 2014.08.06 21:21:00 -
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I did all the numbers, there is no real difference between intact and malfunctioning relics, but intact are quicker and less work is involved. Thing is, I can't seem to get that fuel catalyst bpc, its like it has 15% chance of drop and the rest sits at 30% |
Angie Chatter
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Posted - 2014.08.07 08:52:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:Using intact relics for subs is kinda a waste in my opinion since you end up wasting a lot of isk on junk BPC as you have found out.
As industrialist u should use math and not your "feeling" to calculate things.
Arcosian wrote: ... or find a WH corp and buy discount relics from them.
Why would someone sell relics/ribbons at a "discount" ? They are small volume and can easily be hauled in a small cloaky ship, similar to ribbons. If a WH corp can't manage to get a cloaky tanked T3 to Jita once a week, the corp is "incompetent". |
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