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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:43:00 -
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In the tier 3 Caldari BS thread a DEV advised that it was a gun boat. Could we please get some insight about the Minmatar Tier 3. Suspence is killing me. And please say its going to be a Projectile boat...PLEASE!!!!
Thanks!!
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:45:00 -
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if they give us missile + drone ship im going to change race j/k. It must be a projectile boat, with 7 or 8 turrets and nice bonuses. Otherwise im going to cry
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itsatrappp
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:46:00 -
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imo drone bay should be 125 as well
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy if they give us missile + drone ship im going to change race j/k. It must be a projectile boat, with 7 or 8 turrets and nice bonuses. Otherwise im going to cry
Yea...I love the game but I would consider another if the Minmatar Tier 3 was not turret based. Make the tier 3 turret based and I'm dedicated for the lifespan CCP gives the game lol...
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:55:00 -
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btw, you guys could paste here url of the site where are designs of tier 3 bs's and tier 2 bc's ? woudl be really grateful
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:55:00 -
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What's the point of a T3 gunboat? It shouldn't be better than the tempest as a gunboat so how would it be different?
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy btw, you guys could paste here url of the site where are designs of tier 3 bs's and tier 2 bc's ? woudl be really grateful
link
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:59:00 -
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im grateful
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 11/07/2006 17:35:03 Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 11/07/2006 17:04:13
Originally by: Phelan Lore What's the point of a T3 gunboat? It shouldn't be better than the tempest as a gunboat so how would it be different?
I think your opinion is a far one but I respect it and everyones tbh. But most want the turret boat. I have not trained missles much because if I really wanted them to be my focus I would have gone Caldari. Most want Projectile all the way. Missles are for the Caldari. But, it should be a better turret boat than the Tempest. Its tier 3 not tier 2. I'm sure the Galante one is going to be an uber drone boat. And I'm sure the Amarr one will be an uber tanker. Minmatar are mainly focused on turrets hense the training of most peoples character's direction that are Minmatar. Really needs to be projectile or their will be alot of unhappy folks :(
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 11/07/2006 17:04:13
Originally by: Phelan Lore What's the point of a T3 gunboat? It shouldn't be better than the tempest as a gunboat so how would it be different?
I think your opinion is a far one but I respect it and everyones tbh. But most want the turret boat. Make the paying customers happy by ratio. I have not trained missles much because if I really wanted them to be my focus I would have gone Caldari. Most want Projectile all the way. Missles are for the Caldari. But, it should be a better turret boat than the Tempest. Its tier 3 not tier 2. I'm sure the Galante one is going to be an uber drone boat. And I'm sure the Amarr one will be an uber tanker. Minmatar are mainly focused on turrets hense the training of most peoples character's direction that are Minmatar. Really needs to be projectile or their will be alot of unhappy folks :(
Better than tempest gunboat isn't going to happen.
T3 is not > T2
Just look at the Geddon and Apoc. Which one is a better gunboat? What's the point in adding another gunboat with a different skin?
For the record I have about 3.5m in gunnery and 80k in missiles.
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:39:00 -
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You got a turret boat already, why do you want another? If ccp is going to introduce new content why make it more of the same. I'm hopeing that all the tier 3 battleships are unique and intersting.
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe You got a turret boat already, why do you want another? If ccp is going to introduce new content why make it more of the same. I'm hopeing that all the tier 3 battleships are unique and intersting.
Sure, inique is fine and I can agree with that. But I'm sure the mids and lows are going to offset. A rumored post has the layout of 8/6/6. Thats not going to be to hot for a tank and missles can stretch out there but not as far as turrets, hence forcing a mid-long to short range boat. Now if the slot layout allows a tank option as 7 mid or 7 lows missles will be fine and I'll take the hit and train them. Its an eventual plan either way.
TBH I kinda wish there was a missle or turret option kinda like the Phoon. This would allow either direction to be taken. I think missle should be an option for the Caldari as well...Mabye, on the Minmatar Tier 3 (just an idea not concrete thought)the layout could be 7 missle slots and 7 turret slots. Allowing an option of either and mabye 1 bonus per type like the Phoon...
Not sure either way. Just wish we knew what we were going to get somewhat so that we could get training in the right direction if it calls for it...Missle or Turret I'm sure it'll rock...
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NumbaONE Gunna
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe You got a turret boat already, why do you want another? If ccp is going to introduce new content why make it more of the same. I'm hopeing that all the tier 3 battleships are unique and intersting.
well from the short clip with the abbadon in it seems like the amarr are getting a new type of ship... get this it shoots lots of lasers. yeah lasers you know the thingy you use in your buisness meetings to point at ****. just one of thoes real f-cking big. so makes you wonder if you ordered that lasers pointer the size of oh say a car could you blow sh-t up with it. *points around the office making lazer shooter sounds...pzt pzt pzt pzt Sh-t Boss
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:20:00 -
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i'm quite curious to see the t3 minnie BS
for what i see there are not many options as proj have quite crappy dps and need the dual ship bonus to be effective.
for this reason i think the ship will not be an heavy hit...
my suppositions are - EW ship (sadly with the crappy TP bonus) - missle (drone?) boat - Tank ship (something like the BC even if 6 mid seem a bet few)
a popular request seem to be the megastabber, but imo is nor likelly tho happen (at least i hope), as said Proj have bad dps and even tracking is not so good so a bonus to track will make the dps tooo low while a bonus to RoF will make it difficult to hit the opponent and again the damage will not be very high
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 11/07/2006 18:46:23 I'd like to see the tier 3 minmatar battleship have 8 turret slots, powergrid to fit 1400's in all of them, then have the following two bonuses:
5% large projectile turret damage per level
7.5% large projectile turret tracking per level
It still wouldn't output as much damage as the megathron, but at least you wouldn't constantly receive the usual "miss, miss, miss" results for 1400's in long range combat vs. smaller ships. -Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:46:00 -
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I would like to see...
8/7/5 but will likely get 8/6/6
turrent slots 8 launcher slots 4: that way you could go 4 launchers and 4 turrets if you wanted to allowing that spoke of uniqueness but can still utilize the "race specific" gun that "only" the minmatar have created.(why they would build a tier 3 missle boat while having a race specific gun I dont know lol)
bonuses.
shield boosting bonus 7.5% per lvl (like the cyclone if the 8/7/5 setup was there)
ROF bonus 5% per lvl to turrets and launchers(well mabye not per lvl but the rof bonus to any degree)
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:47:00 -
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OK, so now i know what tier 3 is going to be Gunboat with no drone bay, 8 turrets, set for gank and speed. Almost none defensive capabilities
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:59:00 -
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I still think this is the best way to understand it:
Bellicose -> Typhoon Rupture -> Tempest Stabber -> Tier 3
So a high speed autocannon platform with the ability to shield or armor tank. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Nicocat
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I still think this is the best way to understand it:
Bellicose -> Typhoon Rupture -> Tempest Stabber -> Tier 3
So a high speed autocannon platform with the ability to shield or armor tank.
I was thinking the same thing, to post when I got to the end. Damn you for taking my idea! ---------------------------- The opinions expressed by Nico do not reflect his corporation. He's just an ass.
-Alexi
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I still think this is the best way to understand it:
Bellicose -> Typhoon Rupture -> Tempest Stabber -> Tier 3
So a high speed autocannon platform with the ability to shield or armor tank.
This theory is cool. And if it was the case how cool would it be if it had the 7.5% shield boosting bonus just to help that in close feel...
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:10:00 -
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If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: SengH If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
Most definently, but that would be the most rediculous thing to give the long awaited tier 3 BS. It would suck bad on any tier 3 BS missle or not because there are just better things.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I still think this is the best way to understand it:
Bellicose -> Typhoon Rupture -> Tempest Stabber -> Tier 3
So a high speed autocannon platform with the ability to shield or armor tank.
This theory is cool. And if it was the case how cool would it be if it had the 7.5% shield boosting bonus just to help that in close feel...
I think it should be +7.5% large projectile tracking (close range turret battleships need this above all else) and +5% to max velocity (just like the Stabber). -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
Most definently, but that would be the most rediculous thing to give the long awaited tier 3 BS. It would suck bad on any tier 3 BS missle or not because there are just better things.
Not really with a 7.5% bonus and signature focusing @ lvl 4 and BS 5. 30%*1.2*1.375= 49.5% increase to signature radius per target painter II/pwnage painter.
With 3 TPs (not sure if it is subject to stacking penalty. 400m*1.495*1.495*1.495=1336m sig radius. Your easily taking full damage from rage torps.... If its given 6-8 launchers and a ROF bonus(looking at all other minnie missile ships) + Armor tank... thats one fearsome ship. If we had to get the stupid target painter bonus, at least have it acting like a damage mod to compensate..
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
Most definently, but that would be the most rediculous thing to give the long awaited tier 3 BS. It would suck bad on any tier 3 BS missle or not because there are just better things.
Not really with a 7.5% bonus and signature focusing @ lvl 4 and BS 5. 30%*1.2*1.375= 49.5% increase to signature radius per target painter II/pwnage painter.
With 3 TPs (not sure if it is subject to stacking penalty. 400m*1.495*1.495*1.495=1336m sig radius. Your easily taking full damage from rage torps.... If its given 6-8 launchers and a ROF bonus(looking at all other minnie missile ships) + Armor tank... thats one fearsome ship. If we had to get the stupid target painter bonus, at least have it acting like a damage mod to compensate..
Nice concept but still. Looks like a Caldari ship. I still cant see the biggest and baddest Minmatar BS without their "race specific" turret. Its just wierd.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
Most definently, but that would be the most rediculous thing to give the long awaited tier 3 BS. It would suck bad on any tier 3 BS missle or not because there are just better things.
Not really with a 7.5% bonus and signature focusing @ lvl 4 and BS 5. 30%*1.2*1.375= 49.5% increase to signature radius per target painter II/pwnage painter.
With 3 TPs (not sure if it is subject to stacking penalty. 400m*1.495*1.495*1.495=1336m sig radius. Your easily taking full damage from rage torps.... If its given 6-8 launchers and a ROF bonus(looking at all other minnie missile ships) + Armor tank... thats one fearsome ship. If we had to get the stupid target painter bonus, at least have it acting like a damage mod to compensate..
Nice concept but still. Looks like a Caldari ship. I still cant see the biggest and baddest Minmatar BS without their "race specific" turret. Its just wierd.
Hmm i thought the naggy having a 50/50 split wpns system and the phoon already nailed down the point in the new RMR age are no longer just a turret race but most new designs have missiles too? If your looking at all the "new minmatar" ships a significant number of them have split weapon systems. Battlecruisers/Recon ships.
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: SengH If we were to get the stupid target painting bonus... I would at least have it with a missile ship rather than a turret boat...
Most definently, but that would be the most rediculous thing to give the long awaited tier 3 BS. It would suck bad on any tier 3 BS missle or not because there are just better things.
Not really with a 7.5% bonus and signature focusing @ lvl 4 and BS 5. 30%*1.2*1.375= 49.5% increase to signature radius per target painter II/pwnage painter.
With 3 TPs (not sure if it is subject to stacking penalty. 400m*1.495*1.495*1.495=1336m sig radius. Your easily taking full damage from rage torps.... If its given 6-8 launchers and a ROF bonus(looking at all other minnie missile ships) + Armor tank... thats one fearsome ship. If we had to get the stupid target painter bonus, at least have it acting like a damage mod to compensate..
Nice concept but still. Looks like a Caldari ship. I still cant see the biggest and baddest Minmatar BS without their "race specific" turret. Its just wierd.
Hmm i thought the naggy having a 50/50 split wpns system and the phoon already nailed down the point in the new RMR age are no longer just a turret race but most new designs have missiles too? If your looking at all the "new minmatar" ships a significant number of them have split weapon systems. Battlecruisers/Recon ships.
Very Good point.
The main reason for this thread is hoping that a DEV will drop in and leak some of that good old info like they did for the Caldari Tier 3 BS....hint hint...wink wink....prolly wont happen but gotta hope huh?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.11 20:02:00 -
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7 launchers, 5% ship velocity, 5% target painter effectiveness, low mass, high base speed, 7/6/7 layout.
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.07.11 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul 7 launchers, 5% ship velocity, 5% target painter effectiveness, low mass, high base speed, 7/6/7 layout.
Is this a certain thing Sar?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.11 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Sarmaul 7 launchers, 5% ship velocity, 5% target painter effectiveness, low mass, high base speed, 7/6/7 layout.
Is this a certain thing Sar?
No, it's what I want :)
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