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itsatrappp
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:35:00 -
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anything cruiser size and down a thorax can give a very good go at it. i don't want to sound like a nerf, but is there any DOWNSIDE to the thorax? it can pretty much pwn any t1 cruisers and all t2 frigs with its huge dronebay. a rupture might come close is all i can think of for t1.
does an omen or maller have any chance of killing a thorax? maybe a nos maller..that is about it.
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:36:00 -
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Try double webbing or/and targeting distruptors. Any ship is beatable with the right setup. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
Sirilonwe
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:39:00 -
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Yep, it really comes down to the setup. I think a smartbomb/assault blackbird with jammers would do the job too (pwn the drones first with the smartbombs or assault missiles). And any cruiser which optimal range is over 50km would do the trick too (but the thorax would escape, unless you got some friends tackler or a bubble). ____________________________________ Free ISP users, read this if you have connections problems [b]I'm on Eris side! |
Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:39:00 -
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ECM doesn't count because it's overpowered and an I-Win button.
I'd say you're right with the rupture, I've taken down a few thoraxes in a ruppie by kepping it webbed and using superior speed to my advantage.
It takes a lot of doing though.
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:40:00 -
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keep it webbed and at range its dead.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:47:00 -
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Omg what next "can ANYTHING titan and down beat an Ibis, dont want to sound like I want it nerfed, BUT IT NEEDS NERFING wtfpwnbbq11!!!one1!!!"
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:49:00 -
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seeming as it doesn't get any drone bonuses, i'm nt really sure what the problem is? Nos, web, tracking discruptors, tank it's drones, and nail it.
Thad being said, the Thorax rocks!
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David Ryan
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Posted - 2006.07.13 07:55:00 -
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Web it an stay out of blaster range, kill the drones, = dead thorax... happened to mine a few times.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:02:00 -
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Rupture with hail should shred it
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:08:00 -
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wft, web it and orbit it out of blaster range and its absolutly screwed.
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb Rupture with hail should shred it
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: David Ryan Web it an stay out of blaster range, kill the drones, = dead thorax... happened to mine a few times.
Are you saying it requires Faction Webbers or are you expecting every Thorax to be mounting Light Blasters?
My Blasters hit well and good at webifying range. And even further.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:51:00 -
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Phlaago Rexor
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: David Ryan Web it an stay out of blaster range, kill the drones, = dead thorax... happened to mine a few times.
Are you saying it requires Faction Webbers or are you expecting every Thorax to be mounting Light Blasters?
My Blasters hit well and good at webifying range. And even further.
I think thats an old tactic David Ryan is hinting to that probably still works in alot of cases becase not everyone is flying with T2 and packing Null M into their ion II's... but that is scary.. 6k+ optimal and 4.5k+ falloff. In that case the web and orbit at range tactic wouldn't be a good idea with the rupture since you would actually get better hit chance with the rax.
If i had to counter that thorax with a T1 cruiser i would tank a rupture and get in close: 4xdual 180mm named, 2x medium nos, 10mn AB, web, 2pt scram, medium rep, 800mm plate, 3 hardeners in low or 2 hardeners + damagecontrol if you dont want to tank explosive. in fact... if you drop down from T2 to named on AB and armor repairer you can switch up from named to T2 guns. If your fitting skills are not up to snuff you might have to use a smaller armor plate. Opinions expressed above are my own and not those of my corp or alliance. I speak only for myself. |
Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:57:00 -
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My Maller > Thorax.
Sadly theres no room on my setup for a scram.... but bleh, if it warps away I won right ?
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Vmir Gallahasen
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:05:00 -
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One of the weakest points of a Thorax is its capacitor, because it relies so heavily upon it to work. I'd go for that, Arb/Vexor would do the trick very well with 3 nos and the usual tank for low slots (I usually go with active kin/th/xp hardeners since they're inexpensive and I like keeping costs down for ships that're easily ganked). Web it and orbit as far out as you can while still staying in nos/web/scramble range so you can avoid as much damage as possible (some hits won't land on you) and tank the rest. Cap shouldn't be a problem, as you're using theirs I'm assuming that the 'rax is using blasters in this case; if not, you will want to orbit as close as possible of course.
Don't overlook staying in blaster falloff range, make the mistake of coming too close and you'll be torn apart before his cap fails. And don't bother ganking his drones with yours unless he's trying to kill them, your goal is to inflict enough damage that he needs to run his repairer as well so he nukes his cap as much as possible.
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:14:00 -
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From my own experience with flying Thorax:
If you get withing range to web the rax you can most likely expect to be webbed yourslf, which will only further benefit a blasterax.
My suggestion would be to stay outide webber and blaster range, ue 20k scrammers and hammer with missiles or guns with a bit farther reach.
Only problem is that if the Rax fits a MWD (which I guess most do) you might have a hard time to keep the range, unless you fit one too of course.
Webifying drones maybe?
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:28:00 -
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Maybe a nossing arbi with tracking disruptors?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:39:00 -
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My first thought is a Caracal.
However, I suspect PIE has an Arbitrator setup that kills Thoraxes. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Vathar
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Landsraad ECM doesn't count because it's overpowered and an I-Win button.
Did you say that in response to the tracking disruptors suggestion? because if you discount all forms of EW, what will you fit in meds except mwd/web/scramblers?
Of course, if you go for an direct approach and expect to outdamage a thorax, you'll encounter some problems. Not taking specific anti raxes setups into account makes sense, but a "above 10km, mwd, scrambler, Tracking disruptor" cruiser setup is not without sense ... I've seen stabbers doin' this with success.
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen One of the weakest points of a Thorax is its capacitor, because it relies so heavily upon it to work. I'd go for that, Arb/Vexor would do the trick very well with 3 nos and the usual tank for low slots (I usually go with active kin/th/xp hardeners since they're inexpensive and I like keeping costs down for ships that're easily ganked). Web it and orbit as far out as you can while still staying in nos/web/scramble range so you can avoid as much damage as possible (some hits won't land on you) and tank the rest. Cap shouldn't be a problem, as you're using theirs I'm assuming that the 'rax is using blasters in this case; if not, you will want to orbit as close as possible of course.
Don't overlook staying in blaster falloff range, make the mistake of coming too close and you'll be torn apart before his cap fails. And don't bother ganking his drones with yours unless he's trying to kill them, your goal is to inflict enough damage that he needs to run his repairer as well so he nukes his cap as much as possible.
Sir, One day i'll introduce you to my cap injected thorax with void.
The weak point of the thorax is it's poor defences, out damaging the thorax is really the best way because by the times you've managed to remove it's cap, (if the thorax isn't using injectors) your probably dead...
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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:03:00 -
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Webbing it is no good, it will do the same. Staying outside web range won't work unless you have an MWD too, or are at insane range. Nossing is a good option, but you will have to beat its Nos.
Three things will kill it (IMHO): Outnossing. Insane range (make it kill its cap trying to get to you). Fit an AB+Webber. Assuming you are either both webbed or not webbed, it's MWD will give it the speed advantage. However, you're AB will last a lot longer than it's MWD, and you will go faster with an AB that it will without the MWD. Force it to drain its cap by ABing away, webbing if they do, and you will gain range when they run out of cap.
But as mentioned a couple of times, from what I hear about the Caracel it is the obvious counter. ----------
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:27:00 -
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A shield extended caracal will easily beat any thorax that's going for high damage, and any thorax that's going for very low damage with a plate (frig guns). The medium damage/plated/tanked thorax is the one that would be hard to beat.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc Sir, One day i'll introduce you to my cap injected thorax with void.
The weak point of the thorax is it's poor defences, out damaging the thorax is really the best way because by the times you've managed to remove it's cap, (if the thorax isn't using injectors) your probably dead...
So no warp scrambler then? You have to have a MWD and a webber at least...
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FireMonk
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:32:00 -
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I fly a thorax and i've been beaten by a maller and a cynabal so far. The cynabal was a close flight and was fun to do but i didnt even scratch the maller when i went pop. -----------------------
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: FireMonk I fly a thorax and i've been beaten by a maller and a cynabal so far. The cynabal was a close flight and was fun to do but i didnt even scratch the maller when i went pop.
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
Originally by: Flash Landsraad ECM doesn't count because it's overpowered and an I-Win button.
Did you say that in response to the tracking disruptors suggestion? because if you discount all forms of EW, what will you fit in meds except mwd/web/scramblers?
No I meant what I said; ECM (jammers), since Darwinia said targetting disruptors followed by saying that anything can be beaten with the right setup (which is true), and I assumed she meant jammers. However jammers are overpowered and beat everything, so basically jammers are the right setup for every situation, and therefore don't count because they are overpowered.
If she meant tracking disruptors then fair dos, I have a tracking disruptor on most of my ship setups.
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plaap
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:53:00 -
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any ship with tracking disruptors and a minor tank to cope with drones should be able to beat it :) apples > pineapples |
Maltar
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:04:00 -
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Well you could get a vexor fit:
3 x med nos t1 2 x small nos t1 ab web scram med rep plate ...
it insta kills the cap of a rax making it totally useless
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