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Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:29:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Katerin Archer wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote: So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
I think that every small group has an undisputed right to be efficient. If you disagree, please state a real reason. Can you please show me where I said efficient in my post? There's nothing wrong with people farming in small groups to min/max their income (and i do it myself). The problem I have is with those same groups who have chosen to min/max their income (we're talking 5/6 space here) then being able to close any threat to their operations with minimum risk providing they're scouting correctly. Here's a quick bit of math for you. Assuming you run 6 sites split 4 ways with full escalations. (that's 10 mins a site on average in an hour which is achievable if everyone knows what they're doing) each site on average will pay 700 mil (being conservative here) that's 4.2B roughly for an hours work. Split that 4 ways it's just over 1B each split. I'm sorry but pulling in that sort of income you really do need an element of risk to it and closing connections and the delayed signatures are completely okay with me when you can potentially make that sort of isk in an hour
Trouble is, this change affects every single wormhole connection, not just the C5's and 6's and their content. Those entities that run cap escalations have the numbers to just field a 20 man BS hole rolling doctrine and its back to business as usual.
Small corps take it up the a$$ as usual. Its already dangerous to try and roll a connection to an entity that outnumbers and outguns you. With Hyperion it'll be suicide. You will lose Orcas, for sure. Fozzie thinks we should field support fleets to protect our Orcas, which is bollocks. Small corps can't field a support fleet. Even if a couple ships can be mustered its just more killmail fodder if you're connected to the wrong entity. So this change sucks hard because, for the 16-24 hour lifetime of that connection you can't run any sites and you can't go hunting for fights you can actually take because its not worth the risk to try and roll it. So nothin' to do but logoff at the POS. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
395
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:45:00 -
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Montgomery Black wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Has Fozzie actually replied in this thread at all after dropping this bombshell of an idea on us? He is probably sitting under his desk hyperventilating into a brown paper bag wondering how to extract himself from this mess
Ideally he's unconscious on the floor covered in fresh haddok. Other possibiliteis:
He's on the back stairwell on the phone w/ his puppet masters developing the next game breaking feature. He's spinning the spinner on his random feature spinny device to see what the next random feature will be. He's reading his 'How eve really works.... for dummies' book. He's in the dev meeting proclaiming "let them eat cake". He's at the bar thinking about random stuff. He's putting the finishing touches on his house of cards eve edition ivory tower. He's finishing his thesis "why people don't understand a good idea when it's given to them" |
Apelacja
Fungi Company
82
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:48:00 -
[903] - Quote
-1
everything was already said.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3653
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:15:00 -
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BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
395
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:21:00 -
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Here's what's been bugging me through all of this. I'm a guy rolling a c5/c6 wh. Once my cap is in warp to the wh - I have at least one capital ship all in. I can't unwarp. So my minimum risk is 1 capital ship.
Cut to the other side of the wh!
The cap is inbound I have several choices.
1. Jump in and tackle the cap ship a. He finishes the roll and I'm in his system fighting him b. He doesn't finish the roll but engages me because he has no other choice (if he doesn't roll I can disengage and jump to safety at will).
2. Fear jumping in and tackling him. a. Complain he rolled the wh risk free (even though he laid a cap out for you to engage) b. Complain on the wh forums that I got blue balled or whatever by someone rolling away from me (because you didn't go all in)
So, overall the rolling folks always risk at least one capital ship minimum when rolling. Saying they do it risk free is always false. You always have the option to go all in.
Currently the ganking group has a much smaller risk once the capital is in warp. They get the choice to engage or not engage, so once the rolling cap is in warp they are in the driver's seat. All I really see this change doing is giving the ability to gank the cap in home system to the party that is ganking the rollers.
It doesn't add risk to the rolling folks, they already committed their cap either way. It does take away risk from the gankers for now they can take said cap in the safety of their own wh. They no longer need to exercise the all in option. Overall this just reduces the risk of the ganking party.
Even if it's 2 large notable pvp entities - the mass limitations favor the guy on the gank side. All you need are numbers great enough to overcome the mass of ships a wh rolling can support.
Tackle the rolling cap on the jump in. Drop 2 carriers, 2 dreads and some support and there is zero chance for the roller to survive. There isn't enough mass on the wh to even bring in a rescue fleet. Even going all in isn't enough against some groups - there just isn't enough mass on a wh for that.
This doesn't make it riskier - it makes rolling certain corps/alliances wh impossible (assuming you desire some sort of chance at surviving/winning). Spawning out of jump range guarantees a duck shoot for a small number of large groups.
Editorial rhetoric: I moved to wh space to ensure I played eve in a place where 'blob' wasn't a key to success. Anything out of jump range ensures 'blob' is the key to success. |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:22:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill. Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space I dunno, I moved out of c5 wh space because its easier and safer to make isk in null and I get to shoot more goons and cvgays. my kb has never been this green and my wallet this full. hmmm aaah now I see, you were in sky fighters/talocan back in the day before I moved into c5 space. then you hopped from one wh corp to another... so why did you join razor? and it was recent too! what is your motivation for giving a **** about wh space as a nullseccer now? if you are in favor of this change why did you leave wh space. whats you angle here? ps it seems you did pretty well for youself looking at you kb. tell me why you think there wasnt enough pvp in wormhole space and why this change is needed to inflate your kb more. bahaha so wait on the 5th of august you guys killed a farming fleet, and want to tell me with a straight face that wh the bears are 100% safe? pahahahaha what a troll. gets evwn better. another farmer fleet kill in july, june, the ones in may look like pvp stuff, theres another one in feb...
Sure, if you classify being in Sky Fighters for 2 years as corp hopping and then pretty much continuing on from there with the same group of guys, then sure I guess. Please feel free to continue to show us how much you know about WH space.
It's no secret that there is barely any pvp within WH space these days in the higher end holes which is why all the larger groups resort to roaming null to find their daily dose of PvP. It's not like these changes will do anything to impact on that other than a minor inconvenience of having to web the cap off and back to the hole.
To address your other point. Smart bears are currently almost 100% safe. The ones I ganked left their static open...
But hey if you want to pull the KB epeen measuring stick to start validating points, should we start using yours as the measuring stick? Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
34
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:35:00 -
[907] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling.
you know that farmers need to roll for content?
What more bothers me in this case, even as a farmer, is the exploit possiblity of K162 spawn. |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
225
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:09:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Quote: WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?
as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill. Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space I dunno, I moved out of c5 wh space because its easier and safer to make isk in null and I get to shoot more goons and cvgays. my kb has never been this green and my wallet this full. hmmm aaah now I see, you were in sky fighters/talocan back in the day before I moved into c5 space. then you hopped from one wh corp to another... so why did you join razor? and it was recent too! what is your motivation for giving a **** about wh space as a nullseccer now? if you are in favor of this change why did you leave wh space. whats you angle here? ps it seems you did pretty well for youself looking at you kb. tell me why you think there wasnt enough pvp in wormhole space and why this change is needed to inflate your kb more. bahaha so wait on the 5th of august you guys killed a farming fleet, and want to tell me with a straight face that wh the bears are 100% safe? pahahahaha what a troll. gets evwn better. another farmer fleet kill in july, june, the ones in may look like pvp stuff, theres another one in feb... Sure, if you classify being in Sky Fighters for 2 years as corp hopping and then pretty much continuing on from there with the same group of guys, then sure I guess. Please feel free to continue to show us how much you know about WH space. It's no secret that there is barely any pvp within WH space these days in the higher end holes which is why all the larger groups resort to roaming null to find their daily dose of PvP. It's not like these changes will do anything to impact on that other than a minor inconvenience of having to web the cap off and back to the hole. To address your other point. Smart bears are currently almost 100% safe. The ones I ganked left their static open... But hey if you want to pull the KB epeen measuring stick to start validating points, should we start using yours as the measuring stick? use my kb? pahahahaha. let me save you the hassle. I was in a hs carebear corp for the first part of my eve career. joined a smallish c3 corp because the big ones were too full of ****/elitist. Moved yp c5 space, got evicted eventually and then same corp joined ragnaroc (boy was that a mistake) we had some fun in ls for a while, pvp was great but isk not so much then tried wh space again but as a small corp it just wasnt safe enough. even lost a farming fleet with all holes collapsed and manually refreshing discovery scanner every 5 seconds. so I love how you continue to vomit all that safe farming bullshit over and over.
After that I joined the guys from my corp in null and I have been making more isk, easier and safer and with more pvp than ever before. if I get bored of nullsec life ill probbly quit eve as wh space will be dead/a joke.
but I like how you didnt answer any of my questions and how you kb shows the exact oposite of what you are crying about. get rekt. |
Jack Branigan
Deadspace Knights
0
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:31:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?
You're an idiot. If you want to know who is buying plex's at that price look to incursion runners. They have to keep their 10+ isboxed vindy's running somehow... |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:52:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc.
lol, you don't need to say anything else now :) Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
225
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:36:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc. lol, that explains everything.... You're not a very smart person are you?
regardless, if that's the best you can do then I feel kinda silly wasting all that effort. no one else seems to be taking you seriously. |
Katerin Archer
Total. Fractal Multiversity
3
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Posted - 2014.08.13 18:28:00 -
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Fozzie! Get some balls! Speak to us!
Your silence just endorses that this thread is nothing but a formality and you don't care about our opinion indeed. |
Kaede Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.13 18:36:00 -
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Will all the WH changes go live at the same time ? Because when you try to fix a problem, moving all variables at once doesn't help reading cause and effects of each new feature. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.08.14 01:33:00 -
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Katerin Archer wrote:Fozzie! Get some balls! Speak to us!
Your silence just endorses us that this thread is nothing but a formality and you don't care about our opinion indeed. Last reply was on page 27, and felt like an "Attaboy, keep posting so we can read it." Nothing was actually being said of our revulsion against this change. I hope they scrap it, but it really feels like the player base is being ignored and we have no say in this matter, and once it was "open for debate" the changes were already set in stone. I wish they had asked the wormhole residents before offering to do an expansion on our content. New content could have worked, especially more and varied PVE content, as that always generates PVP situations. The "EVE is Easy" changes to exploration caused part of that. |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
33
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Posted - 2014.08.14 01:48:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc. lol, that explains everything.... You're not a very smart person are you? regardless, if that's the best you can do then I feel kinda silly wasting all that effort. no one else seems to be taking you seriously. actually you might not be bright enough to figure it out on your own so ill throw you a bone, we were in rag for less than a month. heck for probably less than two weeks considering we went nomading soon as we got there. dont you feel stupid for not checking the facts properly.
I assure you that in the wormhole community, whether we agree with him or not, Sith1s opinions are taken seriously.
Your opinions are .. wait, who are you again? Perhaps you shouldn't start forum wars here with people you don't know. |
The Feuror
Release the Hounds
60
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Posted - 2014.08.14 02:12:00 -
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Bah.... I ran out of popcorn ^ probably a troll. |
Kusum Fawn
State Protectorate Caldari State
517
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Posted - 2014.08.14 02:27:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc. lol, that explains everything.... You're not a very smart person are you? regardless, if that's the best you can do then I feel kinda silly wasting all that effort. no one else seems to be taking you seriously. actually you might not be bright enough to figure it out on your own so ill throw you a bone, we were in rag for less than a month. heck for probably less than two weeks considering we went nomading soon as we got there. dont you feel stupid for not checking the facts properly. I assure you that in the wormhole community, whether we agree with him or not, Sith1s opinions are taken seriously. Your opinions are .. wait, who are you again? Perhaps you shouldn't start forum wars here with people you don't know.
Why ? Why are his opinions taken seriously? I usually dont post in this section of the forum, but i havent seen anything worthwhile posted by that guy yet, perhaps you could link something of his that is an example ? Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Kirasten
No Vacancies
33
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Posted - 2014.08.14 02:39:00 -
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@ccp What is the reward we are going to get for these extra risks?
How are all these new changes going to encourage people currently living in w-space to not only stay, but be More active?
How are the changes going to entice players who live in k-space to want to try wormhole life?
One of the first business concepts taught to me was that in business you will always lose customers and you will always gain new customers. The goal is to gain more than you lose.
If w-space is its own business model, what about these changes do you think is going to draw new wormhole customers?
If you tell me the rewards will be so great that more people will want to live a wormhole life, then I won't say anything against any of the changes, but I honestly don't believe that right now. The long term effect looks like it will drive more people out or into inactive status.
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Kirasten
No Vacancies
33
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Posted - 2014.08.14 03:11:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Kirasten wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc. lol, that explains everything.... You're not a very smart person are you? regardless, if that's the best you can do then I feel kinda silly wasting all that effort. no one else seems to be taking you seriously. actually you might not be bright enough to figure it out on your own so ill throw you a bone, we were in rag for less than a month. heck for probably less than two weeks considering we went nomading soon as we got there. dont you feel stupid for not checking the facts properly. I assure you that in the wormhole community, whether we agree with him or not, Sith1s opinions are taken seriously. Your opinions are .. wait, who are you again? Perhaps you shouldn't start forum wars here with people you don't know. Why ? Why are his opinions taken seriously? I usually dont post in this section of the forum, but i havent seen anything worthwhile posted by that guy yet, perhaps you could link something of his that is an example ?
Respect is not earned in our world by what you say on the forums, but rather by what you do on the field. I am not defending Sith1s posts, he is more than capable of that himself. To use your words, I'm merely throwing you a bone. You won't gain respect for your opinions by attacking the established members. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1728
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:18:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling.
Yeah because farmers don't crit every connection they have...
Come away from your drool-proof keyboard. +1 |
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3658
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:27:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling. Yeah because farmers don't crit every connection they have... Come away from your drool-proof keyboard. sure, they do. but they really dont need to. id say at least 90% of site ganks are due to poeple rolling in directly.
if they really want to they can still crit with cheap BSs, or they can move to hole with c1/2 statics that are very easily critted with BSs/small ships. in any case, if you think these changes will see a decrease in farming or that they will still use caps to crit their holes then you are delusional. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Chev Alsar
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
9
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:59:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote: It's no secret that there is barely any pvp within WH space these days
Where exactly is your proof that there is less PVP than previously?
Where is your proof that this proposed change will increase the amount of PVP*?
Where is your proof that most PVP happens due to statics being left open?
*Keep in mind you cannot PVP people in Wormholes that no longer play in Wormhole space. |
Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
34
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:20:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling. Yeah because farmers don't crit every connection they have... Come away from your drool-proof keyboard. sure, they do. but they really dont need to. id say at least 90% of site ganks are due to poeple rolling in directly. if they really want to they can still crit with cheap BSs, or they can move to hole with c1/2 statics that are very easily critted with BSs/small ships. in any case, if you think these changes will see a decrease in farming or that they will still use caps to crit their holes then you are delusional.
short term, perhaps, long term will mean less people.
Point is, when you spawn away from WH, there is bigger chance you get shot, killed, poded and whatnot. For some gruops, that can be game-ending since if you for example kill out everybody in the hole and they have no backup to scan? Might be silly, or might just be they dont have enough blob for everything.
Not everybody is god-almighty in wormholes and although you might say, then they should not come, question is why? WHy deny them? Isnt the goal to make the space more populated? Most opinions here promote the elitism in WHs. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2091
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:44:00 -
[924] - Quote
Can you all pass me the magic crystal ball since you all know what's gonna happen in the future? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
225
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:04:00 -
[925] - Quote
the changes has a negative effect on smaller corps. itll be harder to make a living as it'll take longer to crit/roll holes, there will be more of them and it will be more dangerous (even using bs instead of caps/orcas). there will be holes that they cant close that means a decent sized frig fleet can come in and establish hole control while keeping pve assets pinned in sites. larger corps will have the numbers to work around or simply ignore most of these issues but it will still effect them. these are facts not opinions.
as someone else said, there is no increase in reward and given these facts, what exactly do you think is going to happen? you dont exactly need a crystal ball to form your own opinion. I mean you can still form the wrong opinion I guess but everyone will see you for the fool you are, regardless if you're a bigshot in the wh community.
and I don't care if you're an npc corp alt, in HK, null or a ccp dev, if you are being a ****** I will call you out on it. |
crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
65
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:47:00 -
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I now know why ccp is thinking of making this change!
Go read the planned changes to the nestor in F&I.
They want to discourage cap use and encourage corps to start using the nestor, as it will be a smaller worse carrier, but won't spawn far from the hole.
This is all to get people to actually use the nestor. |
Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
27
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:56:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling. Yeah because farmers don't crit every connection they have... Come away from your drool-proof keyboard.
He said exactly what you said [/facepalm]. Yes farmers crit/close their static currently and the only way to get them is by rage-rolling into them. Since they will be able to do that after expansion too (if they won't be able to close/crit the static they won't farm), less rage-rolling = less farmer ganks, get it?
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Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
21
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Posted - 2014.08.14 10:15:00 -
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crazy0146 wrote:I now know why ccp is thinking of making this change!
Go read the planned changes to the nestor in F&I.
They want to discourage cap use and encourage corps to start using the nestor, as it will be a smaller worse carrier, but won't spawn far from the hole.
This is all to get people to actually use the nestor.
This and to rely on Mobile Depot's for once
Both these have major flaws. The Depot dies before it onlines and the nestor either has to be stored inside the carrier to make sure it comes out at the same point or has to slow boat to the carrier (big note on having the nestor stored, the moment you pop the nestor out people will lock it up preventing it from being boarded) So Much Sapce |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 10:39:00 -
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Lenroc Elisav wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:BTW, for all the people who think this is great because it nerfs farmers, it actually doesnt. Farmers in fact are the only group that actively benefits from this change as there will be WAY less people rage rolling. Yeah because farmers don't crit every connection they have... Come away from your drool-proof keyboard. He said exactly what you said [/facepalm]. Yes farmers crit/close their static currently and the only way to get them is by rage-rolling into them. Since they will be able to do that after expansion too (if they won't be able to close/crit the static they won't farm), less rage-rolling = less farmer ganks, get it?
Your logic is flawed.. Why do you assume there will be less rage rolling?
If a group wants to rage roll specifically to kill caps, the 2 additional minutes that the change will add to the process, will not stop them.
Farmers will be less likely to roll as they actually have to put their carrier in danger and if they don't want to take that risk, they either have to run sites with open wormholes or log off.
So yeah, it is a direct nerf to farmers like i said... get it? +1 |
Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
27
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:03:00 -
[930] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:
Your logic is flawed.. Why do you assume there will be less rage rolling?
If a group wants to rage roll specifically to kill caps, the 2 additional minutes that the change will add to the process, will not stop them.
Farmers will be less likely to roll as they actually have to put their carrier in danger and if they don't want to take that risk, they either have to run sites with open wormholes or log off.
So yeah, it is a direct nerf to farmers like i said... get it?
Erm no . You can't say that rage rolling will take longer, even by 2 minutes which i think is about a 50% increase in time, and then pretend it will have the same effectiveness. And farmers will roll with BS's . But I do agree with you that PvE for small corps receives a nerf too because sometime a small corp will have to log off cause of a very bad connection which will be too risky to close, not that now is risk free as some people pretend.
TLDR - can we agree that neither PvE nor PvP are improved by this change? Yes some occasional gank of some poor SOB will happen but .... meh.
P.S. By less i meant less effective not that it won't take place, speaking of rage-rolling. |
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