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OMEGA REDUX
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
25
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:39:00 -
[2011] - Quote
OMEGA REDUX wrote:i wonder how long the above post of mine lasts before some ccp or isd deletes it because they want to be treated with oh so much respect but wont treat us the same. edit: this is the reason i dont care if i get banned from posting on the forums http://i.imgur.com/jSSfu4V.jpg oh and i pay with plex so no need to worry about actually cancelling anything as i just don't buy plex ******* called it didn't I |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
61
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:45:00 -
[2012] - Quote
ISDs are the greatest forum trolls. Well played. |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
51
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Posted - 2014.08.31 20:09:00 -
[2013] - Quote
100 pages to 87......well played sir well played So Much Space |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
571
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:10:00 -
[2014] - Quote
The Morals and Ethics: 1. Please don't lie to us and try to keep a straight face afterwards.
If I post an offtopic thing on this forums and CCP devs don't read it did it really happen?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything. |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
112
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:31:00 -
[2015] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 19. All posts must be related to EVE Online.
Posts regarding other companies and products or services are prohibited and any content of this nature will be removed. Posts regarding other games are however permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum for the purposes of discussion only. 22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. 30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. 31. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. 33. Posting of chat logs outside the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
The posting of chat logs between player parties is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel where they can be posted as part of stories in the Pirate Story Thread. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel. 34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel. Thread re-opened
Everything in this thread is feedback including any discus tat your past and continuing actions / lack of actions.
Repeating the FEEDBACK: start listening to the changes that are wanted. Stop implementing changes that are stated as unwanted by the majority o fthe community that uses this part of the game. |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3746
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Posted - 2014.08.31 21:55:00 -
[2016] - Quote
Cutting 13 pages is nothing short of censorship. Doing this on the WH forums is a guaranteed way to kill a thread instantly, thanks ISD. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1179
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Posted - 2014.08.31 22:06:00 -
[2017] - Quote
Wow!
Something touched a nerve.
It Seems they did learn something about disaster management from incarna? Or is that a na+»ve conclusion?
It will be interesting to see what follows now, do they recover their footing, and we can all move forward together?
Or they plunge blindly onwards, in denial. Alone.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2027
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Posted - 2014.08.31 22:49:00 -
[2018] - Quote
There seems to be some confusion about the task of ISD's CCL division on this forum. Cleaning a thread of rule breaking posts has nothing to do with the content of said thread, it has to do with upholding the forum rules.
To quote two posts made by me in other threads on that: ISD Ezwal wrote:Please people, it's perfectly fine to disagree with each other and to post your opinions or a reaction on the opinion of others without resorting to profanity or personal attacks. In other words, it is possible to do so without breaking the rules. For example: 'Oh go hang yourself you bloody moron, I'm sick of you blabbering your pigshit all over this thread!' would most certainly get removed. It probably even gets you reported to CCP. On the other hand 'I can not put forward strongly enough the fact that I totally disagree with your line of thinking. I might even add I would find great difficulty in living with myself if I where to share your point of view!' would not. And in essence it says the same.... ISD Ezwal wrote:As there seems to be a bit of confusion as to why certain posts get deleted even if they are perceived not to be rule breaking, a little bit of explanation might be in order. If a post is found to be rule breaking it either gets edited or it gets deleted. If the latter, all posts quoting them (or replying to them without direct quoting) AND all post reacting on those quotes/replies get deleted as well for thread consistency. Even if those posts are not rule breaking in and of themselves. As an addition, the same goes for replies to edited out parts of the post they quote. For example: Post A is rule breaking and gets deleted. B replies to A, C replies to A, D however replies to B and E to K reply to D. The entire string of posts gets deleted because A is the origin of that string of posts. Please accept this explanation as is and do not reply to it. That would be off the topic of this thread. If you are perceiving a problem with ISD behaviour on the forum or are disagreeing with the way (your) posts are being moderated, please feel free to read the CCP policies and follow the procedure found under the header 'Complaints'
So please keep it on topic and above all civil from here on! ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Kirasten
No Vacancies
64
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Posted - 2014.08.31 22:54:00 -
[2019] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:There seems to be some confusion about the task of ISD's CCL division on this forum. Cleaning a thread of rule breaking posts has nothing to do with the content of said thread, it has to do with upholding the forum rules.To quote two posts made by me in other threads on that: ISD Ezwal wrote:Please people, it's perfectly fine to disagree with each other and to post your opinions or a reaction on the opinion of others without resorting to profanity or personal attacks. In other words, it is possible to do so without breaking the rules. For example: 'Oh go hang yourself you bloody moron, I'm sick of you blabbering your pigshit all over this thread!' would most certainly get removed. It probably even gets you reported to CCP. On the other hand 'I can not put forward strongly enough the fact that I totally disagree with your line of thinking. I might even add I would find great difficulty in living with myself if I where to share your point of view!' would not. And in essence it says the same.... ISD Ezwal wrote:As there seems to be a bit of confusion as to why certain posts get deleted even if they are perceived not to be rule breaking, a little bit of explanation might be in order. If a post is found to be rule breaking it either gets edited or it gets deleted. If the latter, all posts quoting them (or replying to them without direct quoting) AND all post reacting on those quotes/replies get deleted as well for thread consistency. Even if those posts are not rule breaking in and of themselves. As an addition, the same goes for replies to edited out parts of the post they quote. For example: Post A is rule breaking and gets deleted. B replies to A, C replies to A, D however replies to B and E to K reply to D. The entire string of posts gets deleted because A is the origin of that string of posts. Please accept this explanation as is and do not reply to it. That would be off the topic of this thread. If you are perceiving a problem with ISD behaviour on the forum or are disagreeing with the way (your) posts are being moderated, please feel free to read the CCP policies and follow the procedure found under the header 'Complaints' So please keep it on topic and above all civil from here on!
I am never quoting anything ever again. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:46:00 -
[2020] - Quote
Hmmm. It seems several of my posts that folks liked were removed during the 13 pages that disappeared while I was asleep.
Without directly responding to the moderation performed, it does beg for something to be said on the matter. Of course, anything I would want to say is going to get deleted under the list of rules quoted repeatedly. So I'll just demonstrate my non-specific annoyance over not knowing what these alerts of folks liking things I said had to do with, as it was late and I'm not sure I can recall anymore what was typed.
To conclude, I dislike the mass based spawn range changes due to the added complexity of having to now train into a webbing intercepter for every pilot in my WH corp. We are choosing to do the webbing tactic wherein 5 ships jump the wormhole, 2 interceptors and then the battleship, orca, and dread. We bounce all ships out to the interceptor, under webs, and back to the hole in around 30 seconds. Takes coordination and a bit of practice. Still it's annoying and at great risk of losing ships. But we're all sick of sitting in a POS bubble with our thumbs up our backsides. |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:58:00 -
[2021] - Quote
y'all do realize that feedback can be received and not acted upon without breaking the general social contract of the solicitation of feedback right
shoot I got a lot of stuff that I don't like about the game but me agreeing or disagreeing with a change in a feedback thread is not the sole arbitrator of whether or not a thing goes into the game
sometimes balance changes have to go through, that is the way it is |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
797
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:05:00 -
[2022] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:y'all do realize that feedback can be received and not acted upon without breaking the general social contract of the solicitation of feedback right
shoot I got a lot of stuff that I don't like about the game but me agreeing or disagreeing with a change in a feedback thread is not the sole arbitrator of whether or not a thing goes into the game
sometimes balance changes have to go through, that is the way it is
Sure, but thats not what has caused much of the fuss. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:10:00 -
[2023] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Cutting 13 pages is nothing short of censorship. Doing this on the WH forums is a guaranteed way to kill a thread instantly, thanks ISD. Well, I do know at least two pages of that was basically people trolling, with responses that, under the rules stated, were flaming. So apparently flaming trolls are inappropriate. I suspect most of us knew that. We did it anyhow (and should feel shame) because our frustrations are not been attended to in any manner, and our reactions have turned to blind rage against anyone and anything around us.
As to this thread or this subforum being affected, I think we have, in effect, been trolled, and as such the ire of me and my fellow posters who said things pertinent to the discussion about W-space changes has increased threefold from the limiting of our only voice.
When get bland palliatives as response to our feedback thus far, the feedback request of us by a CCP employee (who shall remain nameless as it seems referring to him directly will only result in more trolling, flaming, and derogatory commentary) really feel like an unintentional baseball to the groin. Sadly, this isn't one of those humorous video shows, and no one's laughing. I would really like to know what the feedback thread was created for? Does this need to become a force feedback thread, where, because we know the volume and pitch needs to go up dramamtically, we shake the very bedrock of Iceland? Would that generate a respoo |
JTK Fotheringham
Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons
86
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:20:00 -
[2024] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Cutting 13 pages is nothing short of censorship. Doing this on the WH forums is a guaranteed way to kill a thread instantly, thanks ISD.
Nah. I read a lot of the stuff that got the chop - I was annoyed with a lot of it and flame trolled some of the posters rather than just flagging the posts. The thread's better without the junk - my own contributions included.
ISDs probs did a good job there.
Are we still calling for a roll back? |
Skotos Melek
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:49:00 -
[2025] - Quote
apparently CCP didn't like my talk of discontinuing the payments on my alt account I posted earlier, so they cut it from the thread. What's the matter guys, you concerned that I might give people ideas? Fact is, I will plex this account if I can for a little while to see if you make the right decision and revert back to the old wh system (though the addition of extra wh spawns and the other changes are fine by me) If you don't, then you will lose the revenue from this account, and likely another of mine as well, as I can't see myself becoming a part of the null blobs or moving to low sec. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.09.01 04:13:00 -
[2026] - Quote
Skotos Melek wrote:apparently CCP didn't like my talk of discontinuing the payments on my alt account I posted earlier, so they cut it from the thread. What's the matter guys, you concerned that I might give people ideas? Fact is, I will plex this account if I can for a little while to see if you make the right decision and revert back to the old wh system (though the addition of extra wh spawns and the other changes are fine by me) If you don't, then you will lose the revenue from this account, and likely another of mine as well, as I can't see myself becoming a part of the null blobs or moving to low sec. I think our discussion of PLEX vs. Subscriptions was cut. Long and the short of it, CCP makes more money from PLEX sales than through sub fees.
It seems my corp is resigned to adapt, and their outrage has subsided about this change. Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em. Who knew? Still, minor changes were made to our fleet doctrines, and we're hoping to catch enemy caps trying to roll holes, and maybe get some better fights from it. Should be fun. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.09.01 06:59:00 -
[2027] - Quote
Valenthe de Celine wrote:Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em. You do realize that you could already do that before the changes? It only turned from being a Bhaals-Deep OP to "lol, web and shoot it".
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Enthropic
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
135
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:03:00 -
[2028] - Quote
As others have stated already, this thread, as expected, got censored heavily. Im sure CCP has a record of the posts that got deleted.
Needless to say, most of the flames and unruly posting is a result of your players (at least the majority of those who actually play in whs..) being very unhappy with this change to wh- mechanics.
There is nothing more to say, and nobody but your CEO Hellmar understands better when we rightfully assume now that you wont listen to what we say anyway, but rather to what we do.
Im sure you are going to monitor WH activiy, by whatever metrics you might use, and you gonna see the result of your latest patch one way or the other.
What pisses me off way more than those changes (which ruin whs for me personally, but who cares), is your complete lack of response and your unwillingness to properly answer the complaints and concerns that your players raised.
In over 130 pages, if you take both threads together minus the deletes, people essentially brought up the same arguments over and over again. You know what we think, and WHY we think this is a bad thing, yet you choose not to provide your side of the story or your answer to our concerns.
poor job, really poor job. Even IF the Hyperion expansion, in contrast to what many of us believe, would turn out be a success, and assuming you did not kill WH life for basically every small corp out there, what remains is the stain that your way of interacting with your customers is **** poor and unprofessional.
thanks for nothing,CCP.
guess we should stop posting and act |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
574
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:10:00 -
[2029] - Quote
Oh they hear alright but chose not to listen.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.09.01 11:28:00 -
[2030] - Quote
Jessica Duranin wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:Hell, some are even excited about maybe catching some newb corp using a dread and we get to kill 'em. You do realize that you could already do that before the changes? It only turned from being a Bhaals-Deep OP to "lol, web and shoot it". Yeah, I'm well aware. But we're a small corp, so was honestly beyond our mean before. Now... I'd say we stand a better than average chance of ruining someone else's rolling efforts as easily as they could be ruining ours. It's good to be able to give back, you know? |
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1182
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Posted - 2014.09.01 11:31:00 -
[2031] - Quote
Pity, five years waiting for some love and care, they eventually decide it is time to throw us a bone, unfortunately we are expected to shut up and be happy and grateful, even though it has maggots.
Fine, message received. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Gunner GzR
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
46
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:37:00 -
[2032] - Quote
Remove Local From Null and Low.. would make it awesome to fly in..Why Would local even exist in the so called wild lands of 0.0?
This dose not make since and it would make it more believable to not have local there Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1183
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:55:00 -
[2033] - Quote
Gunner GzR wrote:Remove Local From Null and Low.. would make it awesome to fly in..Why Would local even exist in the so called wild lands of 0.0?
This dose not make since and it would make it more believable to not have local there
Why encourage them to wreck another area of space! God knows they will need the customers, and making life shittier for null and low will hardly solve that, not that many in wormholes will choose that as an alternative either way, and just because wormholes post Hyperion are still less crappy than Null, does not mean that we will continue to live in wormholes and put up with things. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
183
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Posted - 2014.09.01 16:22:00 -
[2034] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Edit, I have been reading the press releases, and the self congatulatory comments, everywhere. Do they really not know what they have done? Are they THAT disconnected from their customers?
No. Yes. |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
117
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Posted - 2014.09.01 16:35:00 -
[2035] - Quote
If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.
With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.
I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.) |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1183
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Posted - 2014.09.01 16:56:00 -
[2036] - Quote
Moloney wrote:If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.
With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.
I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.)
I wish there was something, shooting space pixels in Jita, Posting in forums, Our CSM trying his hardest, all seem to be pointless exercises.
It seems the only choices they wish us to have are suck it up or leave.
They had plenty of time to consider and act on all our responses. And have chosen not to,so I guess that's it, they have given their answer.
That is really sad.
Guess that's the decision we will have to make, not one any of us wanted, but what else can one do?
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
OMEGA REDUX
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
26
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:25:00 -
[2037] - Quote
Moloney wrote:If anyone has an idea for action on what to do about CCP, this is the time to speak up.
With their new 6 week dev cycles there are going to be new changes out in 5 weeks.
I have not seen anything about what they are going to **** up next but when they do it, again without any time for feedback, their attention is going to move further away from WH. (Not that they are listening anyhow.) actually it's 4 weeks till new changes since all this year at least they are actually releasing every 5 weeks not 6. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
671
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:37:00 -
[2038] - Quote
holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.
Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1186
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Posted - 2014.09.01 19:32:00 -
[2039] - Quote
corbexx wrote:holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages.
Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway
We appreciate all you are doing for us, and we know you cannot discuss your conversations with CCP, but upset and annoyed with the "change" and we all know which one, could be considered the understatement of the century
Please just let them know, that the small thread here is simply a minor expression of our feelings, if this was null the same dissatisfaction would be running over 10,000 pages by now, and most of EVE would be on fire!
We just do things a little more quietly, but still feel as strongly. And there will be a lot of voices I think silenced forever by this.
Just remind them that moving out of an area or a game that is lo longer desirable is also adaptation please.
Personally, my decision is still mixed, a great corp, and great people in a game I love VS Does anything I do matter, when luck can undo all I work for. EvE used to depend on the players skills abilities and tactics and not luck. I detailed that fully a page or two back, thankfully, it is still there. Luck in what wandering hole spawns, and when, what mass you get, what mission a HS runner gets, what loot drops, all that is fine, luck deciding if you live or die, and there are no tactics can change it apart from avoiding it altogether, is a completely different matter, and one cannot avoid jumping holes.
We have enough destructive luck to deal with with disconnects, and Bugs, there is enough luck in trying to petition this, at best 50/50 even when its a cast iron case. you cannot petition intentional design to randomly destroy you.
This is the one that matters to me, others have a different view, some is that it is more tiresome, some that the effort reward balance is now skewed towards effort, some feel they no longer have control in any way and are just worn out. Some just don't care any more. Different views, but all feel it is bad, we are consistent in that. Same change, just so bad in so many ways.
So what do we do? Payments are coming due, plex bought and stowed in preparation for a multi year Hibernation.
Is there hope? As it stands, I almost cannot face signing in, it doesn't feel like it is worth it anymore. Home feels just broken....... There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3764
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:39:00 -
[2040] - Quote
corbexx wrote:holy **** bet this was to troll me for waiting 30 mins to publish my blog just as it reached 100 pages. Not like people are upset and annoyed anyway lol :P i may or may not have waited 20 min or so before going to bed to see if i could get the first post on 100 (thread was 1 post short) Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
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