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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:29:00 -
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.Saisin wrote: As a member of the smallest corp, I do like the changes made to WH in Hyperion. I have already had a few encounters around collapsers that I could not have had before Hyperion. If anything, I would have preferred the mass distance to be slightly farther than it really is now...
And how do you make your isk now with your small corp ?[/quote]
Like I mentioned in a previous post, I am in a C3 and continue to make my ISK there. I certainly have changed a few things in my fleet, but nothing majo.or.. Truly, collapsing and farming anomalies before Hyperion was way to easy to do...
I Have not lost a ship yet but I certainly had more encounters since the last release, and I do like that "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
72
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:57:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Papa Django wrote:Saisin wrote: As a member of the smallest corp, I do like the changes made to WH in Hyperion. I have already had a few encounters around collapsers that I could not have had before Hyperion. If anything, I would have preferred the mass distance to be slightly farther than it really is now...
And how do you make your isk now with your small corp ? Like I mentioned in a previous post, I am in a C3 and continue to make my ISK there. I certainly have changed a few things in my fleet, but nothing major.. Truly, collapsing and farming anomalies before Hyperion was way to easy to do... I have not lost a ship yet but I certainly had more encounters since the last release, and I do like that...
Sure thing Mr forum posting alt |
Moloney
Faceless Men
131
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:21:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Dalron wrote:Here's my take on what these changes will happen with these changes.
Bigger corps will continue pretty much as they are now for PvE, some will get caught rolling wormholes slightly more than others but overall pvp probabily wont actually change that much.
Smaller corps will start losing out more and more. Longer times to roll wormholes, more risk rolling wormholes, and more incoming wormholes (not just the frig wormholes but the hundreds of new C4 wormholes that are appearing everywhere). They will start losing ISK income and getting fed up. They will start to move out, slowly at first but it will continue.
Bigger wormhole corps will look for pvp but the targets will start to become scarcer as corps move out. So they will start to target the smaller corps they would previously have overlooked just so they can get kills. Some of these corps will start to leave too.
Bigger PVP oriented WH corps will leave once they have nothing to do.
We might get a cyclic occupation as prices rise people move back in to take advantage and then the cycle repeats, or a simple lower occupational level might stabilize.
This is pretty much spot on to what i expect to happen.
So CCP s idea of increasing the reward is kick everyone out until nanoribons go back up!?
Can this be applied to null sec please?
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AutumnWind1983
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
115
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:27:00 -
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Moloney wrote:corbexx wrote:Dalron wrote:Here's my take on what these changes will happen with these changes.
Bigger corps will continue pretty much as they are now for PvE, some will get caught rolling wormholes slightly more than others but overall pvp probabily wont actually change that much.
Smaller corps will start losing out more and more. Longer times to roll wormholes, more risk rolling wormholes, and more incoming wormholes (not just the frig wormholes but the hundreds of new C4 wormholes that are appearing everywhere). They will start losing ISK income and getting fed up. They will start to move out, slowly at first but it will continue.
Bigger wormhole corps will look for pvp but the targets will start to become scarcer as corps move out. So they will start to target the smaller corps they would previously have overlooked just so they can get kills. Some of these corps will start to leave too.
Bigger PVP oriented WH corps will leave once they have nothing to do.
We might get a cyclic occupation as prices rise people move back in to take advantage and then the cycle repeats, or a simple lower occupational level might stabilize.
This is pretty much spot on to what i expect to happen. So CCP s idea of increasing the reward is kick everyone out until nanoribons go back up!? Can this be applied to null sec please?
See the 2010 Sanctum nerf.
James Arget for CSM 8! http://csm.fcftw.org |
Winthorp
2681
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:41:00 -
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You know people are angry when Autumnwind starts posting in threads. |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
145
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:45:00 -
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Yeah, nerf Tech...oh wait, they did, and people still live in null sec. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.09.05 03:42:00 -
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Not too sure why peeps are complaining. This change has caused us a very little amount problems. A little more a of pain to roll... but meh, nothing we wormholers cant overcome! Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
51
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:16:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Saisin wrote:Papa Django wrote:Saisin wrote: As a member of the smallest corp, I do like the changes made to WH in Hyperion. I have already had a few encounters around collapsers that I could not have had before Hyperion. If anything, I would have preferred the mass distance to be slightly farther than it really is now...
And how do you make your isk now with your small corp ? Like I mentioned in a previous post, I am in a C3 and continue to make my ISK there. I certainly have changed a few things in my fleet, but nothing major.. Truly, collapsing and farming anomalies before Hyperion was way to easy to do... I have not lost a ship yet but I certainly had more encounters since the last release, and I do like that... Sure thing Mr forum posting alt
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion So Much Space |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
51
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:21:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:Not too sure why peeps are complaining. This change has caused us a very little amount problems. A little more a of pain to roll... but meh, nothing we wormholers cant overcome!
Yes we WHers will overcome it but the ones who cant?
W-space is now at risk of being deserted save for the few who can live in it. We will adapt but now where will the content be? Already our corp gets most of its PvP content from hunting in null because (Even with a WH chain that's 50 whs deep) we cant get PvP due to the lack of people in W-space
So Much Space |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
284
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Posted - 2014.09.05 09:30:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Andiedeath wrote:Not too sure why peeps are complaining. This change has caused us a very little amount problems. A little more a of pain to roll... but meh, nothing we wormholers cant overcome! Yes we WHers will overcome it but the ones who cant? W-space is now at risk of being deserted save for the few who can live in it. We will adapt but now where will the content be? Already our corp gets most of its PvP content from hunting in null because (Even with a WH chain that's 50 whs deep) we cant get PvP due to the lack of people in W-space You got a point there. its all fine and dandy saying 'were the baddest mofos in wh space' but when there's no content because you are also the ONLY mofos in wh space then what is the point? you get more and more consistant small gang pvp in low. if you know who not to shoot you wont get hot dropped too often and you can make as much or more isk with less stress and risk in hs incurtions and you just need one alt for that.
end of the day you can be pro-change all you want and call everyone else whatever names you want. if people decided its not worth it to live in wh space anymore then that's it. wh space had a very fragile ecosystem, prone to failcascades implosions, politics, drama, etc. but it survived for years. That's mostly gone now.
A very unique part of eve, heck of online gaming is probably gone forever. and if you dont think that's a damn shame then maybe you were in wh space for the wrong reasons. |
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1204
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Posted - 2014.09.05 09:47:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:Andiedeath wrote:Not too sure why peeps are complaining. This change has caused us a very little amount problems. A little more a of pain to roll... but meh, nothing we wormholers cant overcome! Yes we WHers will overcome it but the ones who cant? W-space is now at risk of being deserted save for the few who can live in it. We will adapt but now where will the content be? Already our corp gets most of its PvP content from hunting in null because (Even with a WH chain that's 50 whs deep) we cant get PvP due to the lack of people in W-space You got a point there. its all fine and dandy saying 'were the baddest mofos in wh space' but when there's no content because you are also the ONLY mofos in wh space then what is the point? you get more and more consistant small gang pvp in low. if you know who not to shoot you wont get hot dropped too often and you can make as much or more isk with less stress and risk in hs incurtions and you just need one alt for that. end of the day you can be pro-change all you want and call everyone else whatever names you want. if people decided its not worth it to live in wh space anymore then that's it. wh space had a very fragile ecosystem, prone to failcascades implosions, politics, drama, etc. but it survived for years. That's mostly gone now. A very unique part of eve, heck of online gaming is probably gone forever. and if you dont think that's a damn shame then maybe you were in wh space for the wrong reasons.
Nicely put, as to the adapt or die philosophy, lots of people in the real world do exactly this too, because they have to.
They live in places called slums and favelas.
So, to those who say this, please tell me how turning our home into a slum is a positive experience?
We have one massive advantage over those condemned to live out their life in such conditions, we can move out.
Out of the slum, and if we don't like it there, out of the game altogether.
Roll back the Mass spawn, and the rest can find it's place. It is like disease, remove it and you do not get a paradise overnight, but it becomes less of a nightmare to live in.
Without? Good luck trying to somehow force players to remain, let alone trying to encourage more in.
You do not cure acne by giving the patient smallpox.
Whilst it certainly makes life more interesting, "may you live in interesting times" is generally regarded as a curse, it is not the "interesting" you were hoping to achieve. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Moloney
Faceless Men
131
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Posted - 2014.09.05 11:20:00 -
[2142] - Quote
Some will adapt. Most will leave.
In the end it's still a change that does not provide anything and is not wanted.
No content & no isk for excessive risk = Poor formula for retaining players. |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
276
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Posted - 2014.09.05 11:27:00 -
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LOL! No i'm already seeing PVP groups move into wormholes from K Space... I don't think there will be a problem. We have been out of our oriiginal Class 2 WH for a week and already a small PVP group from K Space wants to buy it. Yes it will take a few weeks although things to settle but I reckon it will be all good soon. Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:22:00 -
[2144] - Quote
Andiedeath wrote:LOL! No i'm already seeing PVP groups move into wormholes from K Space... I don't think there will be a problem. We have been out of our oriiginal Class 2 WH for a week and already a small PVP group from K Space wants to buy it. Yes it will take a few weeks although things to settle but I reckon it will be all good soon.
Oh yeah? So which change exactly made them decide to move in? |
Petra Hakaari
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
107
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:25:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:LOL! No i'm already seeing PVP groups move into wormholes from K Space... I don't think there will be a problem. We have been out of our oriiginal Class 2 WH for a week and already a small PVP group from K Space wants to buy it. Yes it will take a few weeks although things to settle but I reckon it will be all good soon. Lemme guess... C2 with a static to highsec.
Dude you clearly don't understand that the issue affects the real WH business, C5/C6... Because tities . |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1206
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:26:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:Andiedeath wrote:LOL! No i'm already seeing PVP groups move into wormholes from K Space... I don't think there will be a problem. We have been out of our oriiginal Class 2 WH for a week and already a small PVP group from K Space wants to buy it. Yes it will take a few weeks although things to settle but I reckon it will be all good soon. Lemme guess... C2 with a static to highsec. Dude you clearly don't understand that the issue affects the real WH business, C5/C6...
Well maybe they like playing station games on the HS?
Whenever there is a disaster, theres always someone to pull something out of the wreckage, and they are happy with the smallest personal gain. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
286
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:59:00 -
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Heh...
So there's this webcomic I read and the last two pages of it (1011 and 1012) seemed rather pertinent.
http://mysticrevolution.keenspot.com/?cid=1011
Heck, even the speech the chick in the last frame on the linked page gives fits so well it's hilarious. |
Ahost Gceo
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
204
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:18:00 -
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I have seen multiple people make this change about increased risk, however I'd like to break it down further and say that this change has brought about increased "effort". Rolling holes to find pew or a new chain now takes much longer. With small corps seeing that now things have gotten harder in terms of "effort" to simply make it worth their while in the great equation of (time investment vs reward), it is harder to find prey.
And CCP, that's really what people are complaining about. The game already has a high base time investment vs reward ratio, and you just went and quadrupled it for one entire chunk of space. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:51:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion
I posted as an alt before this issue, and I wish I could believe everyone could harbor such honorable intents, but unfortunately I know first hand that others do not have such qualms about hunting someone for their posted opinion. As such, alt posting is one of the survival mechanism for us solo players that want to express their opinions.
I can say that the changes from Hyperion have slowed down my anomaly farming a bit... not because of the mass jump, though, because I rarely did collapse my WH previously, but the change to loading the k162 when jumping and having more wh in general are the main reasons. I had to make my farming ships more nimble, and thus I am not dishing out as much DPS as before Hyperion. This is no complaints mind you, I always thought that farming in WH before Hyperion was way too easy...
I can still farm and salvage three C3 anomalies in one hour, for around 120 millions ISK, where I used to do 4 or sometime even 5 with my full crew when my static was not loaded. These past three weeks it has been rarer to have only my static, so part of my crew has to scout instead of farming.
I would say I may be making 20% less than before, so around 800 millions/week instead of 1 billion previously The mass change certainly has offered me a few more opportunities to engage other wormholes, so this is good in my books.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
75
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:44:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion
I posted as an alt before this issue, and I wish I could believe everyone could harbor such honorable intents, but unfortunately I know first hand that others do not have such qualms about hunting someone for their posted opinion. As such, alt posting is one of the survival mechanism for us solo players that want to express their opinions. I can say that the changes from Hyperion have slowed down my anomaly farming a bit... not because of the mass jump, though, because I rarely did collapse my WH previously, but the change to loading the k162 when jumping and having more wh in general are the main reasons. I had to make my farming ships more nimble, and thus I am not dishing out as much DPS as before Hyperion. This is no complaints mind you, I always thought that farming in WH before Hyperion was way too easy... I can still farm and salvage three C3 anomalies in one hour, for around 120 millions ISK, where I used to do 4 or sometime even 5 with my full crew when my static was not loaded. These past three weeks it has been rarer to have only my static, so part of my crew has to scout instead of farming. I would say I may be making 20% less than before, so around 800 millions/week instead of 1 billion previously The mass change certainly has offered me a few more opportunities to engage other wormholes, so this is good in my books. Update: one thing i noted too is that anomalies have a tendency to stay longer than previously. May be just random happenstance, but I was surprised to see anon stays as long as they did this past week before I could get to them...
Stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Mr forum posting alt. I need a bigger phone screen.
The thing about wormholes is it is very difficult to hunt for someone specifically due to mechanics. Which you would know if you actually lived in a wh. |
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Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
53
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:56:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Saisin wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion
I posted as an alt before this issue, and I wish I could believe everyone could harbor such honorable intents, but unfortunately I know first hand that others do not have such qualms about hunting someone for their posted opinion. As such, alt posting is one of the survival mechanism for us solo players that want to express their opinions. I can say that the changes from Hyperion have slowed down my anomaly farming a bit... not because of the mass jump, though, because I rarely did collapse my WH previously, but the change to loading the k162 when jumping and having more wh in general are the main reasons. I had to make my farming ships more nimble, and thus I am not dishing out as much DPS as before Hyperion. This is no complaints mind you, I always thought that farming in WH before Hyperion was way too easy... I can still farm and salvage three C3 anomalies in one hour, for around 120 millions ISK, where I used to do 4 or sometime even 5 with my full crew when my static was not loaded. These past three weeks it has been rarer to have only my static, so part of my crew has to scout instead of farming. I would say I may be making 20% less than before, so around 800 millions/week instead of 1 billion previously The mass change certainly has offered me a few more opportunities to engage other wormholes, so this is good in my books. Update: one thing i noted too is that anomalies have a tendency to stay longer than previously. May be just random happenstance, but I was surprised to see anon stays as long as they did this past week before I could get to them... Stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Mr forum posting alt. I need a bigger phone screen. The thing about wormholes is it is very difficult to hunt for someone specifically due to mechanics. Which you would know if you actually lived in a wh.
Actually not really you just put out a KOS on him. Pretty much all C5/C6 WH corps have a KOS on Steven Hackett :P So Much Space |
Ahost Gceo
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
207
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:00:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Saisin wrote: Mindless vomit...
Stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Mr forum posting alt. I need a bigger phone screen. The thing about wormholes is it is very difficult to hunt for someone specifically due to mechanics. Which you would know if you actually lived in a wh. It isn't difficult to hunt someone once you know they are in your vicinity. The real challenge is actually finding someone because you will mostly run into empty space or won't see the cloakies floating around you. "Is this system TRULY empty?" I'm a friggin' banana. |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
75
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:00:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Kirasten wrote:Saisin wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion
I posted as an alt before this issue, and I wish I could believe everyone could harbor such honorable intents, but unfortunately I know first hand that others do not have such qualms about hunting someone for their posted opinion. As such, alt posting is one of the survival mechanism for us solo players that want to express their opinions. I can say that the changes from Hyperion have slowed down my anomaly farming a bit... not because of the mass jump, though, because I rarely did collapse my WH previously, but the change to loading the k162 when jumping and having more wh in general are the main reasons. I had to make my farming ships more nimble, and thus I am not dishing out as much DPS as before Hyperion. This is no complaints mind you, I always thought that farming in WH before Hyperion was way too easy... I can still farm and salvage three C3 anomalies in one hour, for around 120 millions ISK, where I used to do 4 or sometime even 5 with my full crew when my static was not loaded. These past three weeks it has been rarer to have only my static, so part of my crew has to scout instead of farming. I would say I may be making 20% less than before, so around 800 millions/week instead of 1 billion previously The mass change certainly has offered me a few more opportunities to engage other wormholes, so this is good in my books. Update: one thing i noted too is that anomalies have a tendency to stay longer than previously. May be just random happenstance, but I was surprised to see anon stays as long as they did this past week before I could get to them... Stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Mr forum posting alt. I need a bigger phone screen. The thing about wormholes is it is very difficult to hunt for someone specifically due to mechanics. Which you would know if you actually lived in a wh. Actually not really you just put out a KOS on him. Pretty much all C5/C6 WH corps have a KOS on Steven Hackett :P
Pretty much all C5/C6 corps have KOS on everyone they can find. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2099
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:36:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 31. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
38
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:55:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Faren Shalni wrote:Kirasten wrote:[quote=Saisin][quote=Faren Shalni]
At this point if a NPC alt posts for the change, then I am inclined to listen to this post because we who are against the change have made it quite hostile against those who are for the change. So in an effort to save face they use an alt so they don't get hunted down and brutally murdered.
But all that said USE YOUR MAIN it gives you credibility, we are WHers not Nullblocs we wont hell purge you just for having a different opinion I posted as an alt before this issue, and I wish I could believe everyone could harbor such honorable intents, but unfortunately I know first hand that others do not have such qualms about hunting someone for their posted opinion. As such, alt posting is one of the survival mechanism for us solo players that want to express their opinions. I can say that the changes from Hyperion have slowed down my anomaly farming a bit... not because of the mass jump, though, because I rarely did collapse my WH previously, but the change to loading the k162 when jumping and having more wh in general are the main reasons. I had to make my farming ships more nimble, and thus I am not dishing out as much DPS as before Hyperion. This is no complaints mind you, I always thought that farming in WH before Hyperion was way too easy... I can still farm and salvage three C3 anomalies in one hour, for around 120 millions ISK, where I used to do 4 or sometime even 5 with my full crew when my static was not loaded. These past three weeks it has been rarer to have only my static, so part of my crew has to scout instead of farming. I would say I may be making 20% less than before, so around 800 millions/week instead of 1 billion previously The mass change certainly has offered me a few more opportunities to engage other wormholes, so this is good in my books. Update: one thing i noted too is that anomalies have a tendency to stay longer than previously. May be just random happenstance, but I was surprised to see anon stays as long as they did this past week before I could get to them... [REDACTING DELETED POST]
One of the main issues is content and security. Shoot everything has always been the way in wormhole space, but I would love it if it got to the point where wormholes were so desirable that you would have multiple groups living in every wormhole. We had a co-hab wormhole before Hyperion in a C4/C3, with two other corps. Sure it was a pain to share bookmarks, but it was nice to know that people in different timezones had a presence in the wormhole, and the added numbers for defense and offense always helped.
I wish that wormholes were actually as profitable as the risk would warrant. I have plenty of high SP members in my corp that could all be guaranteed anywhere from 100-200million isk an hour in high sec, and with significantly less effort and risk. I wish I could guarantee the same consistency of income, and it is even easy to tax!
I think one of the main issues is that it is basically impossible to fully scout your chain after the changes, something that was at least possible pre-Hyperion. We used to live in a C4/C4, and we knew what chains looked like xD. We spent 4 hours with 3 scouts to scan as many wormholes as we could fit on our Siggy, didn't find anything besides some MTUs and an abandoned venture. We then decided to roll the hole and spend the night inside.
Large empty chains is the worst nightmare for groups looking for some pvp. You can't even be a hunter in low class wormholes unless you are doing something on another monitor. Unless you like staring at the one active in your chain POS spinning, just praying to BOB that he flys out to do something.
I wish that CCP would add more reasons to be outside of POS shields in wormholes. Just one piece of added content would have gone a LONG way.
We moved out of our C4 because of the changes, and we are a fairly active group of guys. I can only imagine how smaller corps are surviving.... |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
580
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:32:00 -
[2156] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Heh... So there's this webcomic I read and the last two pages of it (1011 and 1012) seemed rather pertinent. http://mysticrevolution.keenspot.com/?cid=1011Heck, even the speech the chick in the last frame on the linked page gives fits so well it's hilarious. How fitting.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
459
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Posted - 2014.09.07 10:10:00 -
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Since Hyperion has been out for a couple weeks now and this change in particular has had enough time to sink in I've finally decided on whether I like this change or not. My corp lives in a c5/c5. I have 3 pilots that I'd use to solo roll holes before Hyperion. A Moros, Orca and Helios. With Hyperion came the mass based spawn which frankly really fucks lower class whs. What I need to roll with Hyperion: Moros, Orca, Daredevil/Helios. CCP has made rolling holes slightly more time consuming then pre-Hyperion for High class wh's. I'm sure rolling holes in low class whs takes much much longer. It took us twice as long to roll a c4 even with the help of 3 orcas and multiple bs then it did for us to roll a c5 and nullsec connection tonight.
Now, I'm sure you're saying that, 'Yeah you could roll holes with just that but you're gonna get ganked!'. We roll holes for two reasons. First, the chain is dead and there's no pew. No pew means I can roll solo without a worry, no ones around. Second, were preparing to run escalations for isk. This generally means there a fair number of us on so if a cap does get tackled we can support it.
Verdict on mass based spawn: Meh. It has little to no effect for my corp to roll holes. It does give us the possibility of catching stuff trying to roll tho Blue-Fire Best Fire |
scotayne hawkins
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:48:00 -
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The Last Chancers. for a change this weekend spent the majority of this weekend deep chaining and rolling our static 6. we found alot of c5 and c6 holes we use to enjoy picking small scale fights with where empty, if after a couple weeks of these changes having this much effect.
high class w-space is going to become a very lonely place to be indeed, for those who think this is all bull crap, t3 prices have started increasing already. even the farming operations we use to see turtling up inside their towers have packed up and left.
i also learnt today that one of the larger corps/ alliances has also left w-space due to lack of pew options, and reading the last few pages i noticed some other corps quoting they are finding more fights in null and low sec than anything in w-space.
these changes need reversing before the damage is done, moving entire corps/allainces out of w-space is hard and time consuming so once they leave they wont come back.
as for more options to catch ppl rolling holes which i believe was the intended result of these changes we're seeing ppl pos spin or log where as before they'd try and roll and covert fleets would come into play. now we get nothing.
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Wry Salen
Flying Scissors Rock Paper Lasers
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:35:00 -
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After nearly three years living full-time in C4s, our main group is relocating back to empire. Not really because the changes affect us all that much (C4 static C5 group after all), but because honestly, day/week-tripping seems to be the way to go after these changes.
Nearly every chain we've been on, since the expansion, has had people moving stuff out. Take that as you will. |
Gunner GzR
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:05:00 -
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I think enough has been said that CCP knows we do not Like One of the changes and its hurting our space. Now it is just a matter of seeing if they care enough to back up a few changes or make more constructive changes to Pull Players back into w space.
Here are a few of my ideas.
1. Sleepers faction Drops= this will Give us officer / faction drops same as other space and will drive ppl into whs to hunt for them.
2. A higher class wh like a c7 that has massive mass whs that you can move a proper cap fleet and support fleet to run sleeper sites with capital sleepers and get back out . We will be able to have large fleet fights as well in there. Make The class 7 with no moons so it can not be "lived" in and multiple connections
3. Make lower class wh sleeper drops better and more worth while to run. this is class 1-3 also let make a few more of the triggers random to take out the boring predictable assembly line style of running sights. Maybe give them some escalations as well if you warp in bs's or caps for all class sites
That is all i have for now but a few constructive ideas for you to look over
Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
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