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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:36:00 -
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Hmmm...bookmarks never used....
if EVE kept track of what was being bookmarked
lots of BMs could be tagged for automatic deletion ... if the BM was placed on object (right click menu)
rather than dropped by button in nearby space (if someone wants to keep placing decaying objects there).
wreck locations after 2 hours 10 minutes
WH signature and anomaly locations after what 5 days max?
WH connection locations after 20 or 30 hours depending on type
ice anomalies roids after DT (or ice exhaustion if you want to burn lots of constellation node CPU)
heh removal of anchorable cans etc might as well trigger removal of BMs |
Alundil
Isogen 5
639
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:15:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:I would really just love BM's to come with an expiry date/time. I am so lazy at deleting the old chain BM's. You aren't the only one 8)
I deleted some yesterday from late July...
I'm right behind you |
Elyas Crux
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 07:22:00 -
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+1 Any changes that make bookmarks more usable are needed. |
Badda Benjaminsen
Heimbrent
1
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:54:00 -
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Why not just add another bookmark category right above "Corp Bookmarks" called "Alliance Bookmarks" This is just teasing.
And if u do, don't merge the 2 categories. Give us the ability to still choose what to share. |
Badda Benjaminsen
Heimbrent
1
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:59:00 -
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Udonor wrote: lots of BMs could be tagged for automatic deletion ... if the BM was placed on object (right click menu)
No because previous wrecks, whs, site bms etc can be useful. |
Chuck Dexter
Full Contact
2
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:55:00 -
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Hi, great that you are working on the bm's. ;)
I dont know if anyone wrote it already:
1. [One thing that could be more comfortable is: if you are the idiot who had to make 3 BMs during one warp, for example between a Gate and a planet for you fleet - as u are sitting in a fast Warping ship, it would be great and simple to increase the number, so that every spot got a unique and logic name.
The word "spot in XY-123 System" is very bad, because if you do 3 BM in maybe 5 seconds you dont know immediatly which BM is which spot in the right-click-menue. But this is very important, especially if you are in hurry and in Communication with your fleet and do Corporation BM's. So you can command: "take spot 3" if it would be named with "spot in System XY-123_3" for example.
Maybe you can Make Bookmark-Folders where BM's automatically saved in and get the same Folder- Name with a Number. Requirement is, that you preselect this Folder before you execute a first bookmark. For Example: Folder Name "Save Spot" if this is preselect every bookmark will named with Save Spot_1, Save Spot_2, etc...
Today you often need a bunch of Bookmarks in really short time, maybe your running away from a outnumbered fight or combat probes are in space. In stressy situations it could be much easier.
2. Really nice would be a BM "Broadcast-Function" in Fleet-History window. Maybe you want to get your fleet out of a fight cause your oponent is going to loose too much ISK and you dont want to be an as....le killing all of there stuff....ehhh... Ok, it would be great if someone (maybe with a special role) Squad commander, Wing COmmander, FC or scout...whoever could broadcast a warp out Save-Spot or a BM for a meeting point that you can atomatically warp to with rightclick? Ok, some things are too comfortable, but the general Thought of broadcasting BM's for special use, could be interesting?
That was only an initial Flash brainstorming from me...if it is all crap...than forget it. ;) |
Montgomery Black
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
57
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:08:00 -
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Id like the ability to select multiple corp bookmarks and right click -> copy to cargohold.
the current copy and drag from corp bookmarks to personal BM folder and then move to cargohold is a pain... especially when u can only move to your cargohold 5 at a time.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11043
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:18:00 -
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Hey everyone thanks for the continued feedback. We expect that the bookmark changes will be testable in the next update of SISI, do you can experience them for yourself. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
754
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:47:00 -
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maybe post about them somewhere other than the secret wormhole pve forum. |
Callic Veratar
610
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Posted - 2014.08.13 19:50:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:maybe post about them somewhere other than the secret wormhole pve forum. Like in the devblog that was posted a week ago? |
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Ikrima
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:54:00 -
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The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history.
This feedback presumes that things in space are in orbit of something and that ccp will one day make planets orbit expressing the change that occurs naturally in every solar system. This concept is a known unknown.
BOOKMARK FEEDBACK:
Bookmarks should be relative.
relative to the sun, relative to a planet etc...
Everything in space is in some orbit or some other object with a gravitational pull.
Moons orbit planet, planets orbit suns, suns orbit galaxies....
You have the pocos orbiting planets which is a nice and welcome effect. (Buy that dev an Oktu Toktu on me.)
IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO INDICATE WHEN SAVING A BOOKMARK WHETHER THE BOOKMARK IS RELATIVE TO THE SUN OR PLANET or some other object (moon).
Why does this matter?
When you build in the functionality of planets actually orbiting a boomark could change over time. A bookmark made on the outter most belt would be on grid but over the course of time would become off grid and visa versa.
This would provide an opportunity for the long term player to balance with the old school players who benefitted from an exploit to create uber deep offgrid safespots.
In some systems it is not possible to get out of scan range because making an uber deep safe is not possible (system doesnt have missions sites to save etc...).
Others will want to have their safespots stationary ie relative to a planet, moon, startgate whatever.
There should be a balance for the young player who wishes to create and save a deep safespot with the vet player who still benefits from an old exploit that allowed them to create uber deep safespots.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
467
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:54:00 -
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just had a gander at the new bookmark (un)restrictions, its nice that its had a 100% increase in copys per time but i feel its approaching the problem from the wrong angle.
small groups of bookmarks are no bother making by shift clicking a few times and shift dragging into a couple of new containers, and the 5 copies per time lift to 10 copies per time is awesome, but still, for small bunches its not exactly much effort at all.
when you're making multiple sets of bookmarks for many people eg each corp in your wormhole alliance needs the latest set of bookmarks or you need to dump a ton of bookmarks you currenlty have from your people and places into "cold storage" even the 10 bookmarks per time is awkward.
Yes, its 'less' awkward than it is now but a metaphor for the problem is like finally scaling the first wall in an assault course and being happy, only to find another higher wall in front of you, with a bit more of a run up.
>> Make bookmark copying an industry job << , a slight isk sink but largely a hands off approach that takes time to do. not only will it reduce the minute to minute load for the server, by people not doing it actively, but also be able to make multiple runs of a bunch of bookmarks from 1 can into several. |
Klarion Sythis
Literally Solo
297
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:02:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: >> Make bookmark copying an industry job <<
Dude. Seriously? God no. I hope you're just trolling.
That sounds terrible for any wormhole alliance and a good way to screw up all kinds of W-Space joint ops. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
467
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:27:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: >> Make bookmark copying an industry job <<
Dude. Seriously? God no. I hope you're just trolling. That sounds terrible for any wormhole alliance and a good way to screw up all kinds of W-Space joint ops.
i mean as an additional to what we have already. For large sets and sets you want to create multiple copies of, not a replacement. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11073
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:47:00 -
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Ikrima wrote:The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history.
It most definitely is.
By the way, the changes to bookmark copying are on sisi now so feel free to give them a try and let us know how they feel. We'll also be doing a mass test next week where we will have everyone do a lot of simultaneous bookmark operations to make sure the server doesn't mind too much. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
764
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:54:00 -
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Any progress on getting BM's that we can set the delete time on? Would clean up a lot of space in the DB If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1392
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Posted - 2014.08.15 04:05:00 -
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I make most of my eve income from bookmarks, so have a bit of a love-hate relationship with this part of the game.
Things I'd like to see changed include:
- The ability to store more bookmarks, even in less readily accessible (and less demanding of server / bandwidth resources) locations that the PnP folder system that we mostly use nowadays. I run multiple alts to keep track of the various collections I build and sell. I regularly use the storage-limit workaround to allow them to hold tens of thousands but it's still a bit of a PITA.
- More than five-at-a-time copying. Five at a time is relatively easy to keep a visual track of when copying large numbers of bookmarks but it makes for a very tedious pedantic activity when you need to do so accurately.
- Somehow streamline copying / uploading times. I tend to set upload bookmark jobs for when I am heading to bed, so the necessary hours can happen when I am AFK.
- Able to sort bookmark vouchers in a similar way to being able to sort bookmarks installed in the PnP folders.
- Able to search bookmarks installed in the PnP folders.
- Able to apply tags to bookmarks, like I can for contacts and (indirectly) my overview, to provide another way of minimising the number of bookmarks showing when you're operating. So, for example, when we're on a hostile territory roam I can select my perches tag ... and not have to see the safespots, JBs, POSes etc until I decide to change. This has potential to reduce server load during jumps and ops ... jumps (gates and bridges) being where I notice bookmark-induced-lag the most.
- Able to set an expiry (self-destruct) time on a bookmark. I don't know about others but my w-space collections tend to bloat over time, with long-expired locations, and my corp collections similarly puff-out with useless accumulations. If I could choose to set a K162 bookmark to expire in, say, 36-hours I'm going to be a tidier and less server intensive person.
- Able to setup a bookmark view where you can see comments.
- Other sharing options for bookmarks. Alliance-wide would remove a lot of bookmark duplication amongst the corps that makeup the larger alliances. Similarly I'd love to be able to setup other buddy sharing options so that, for example, I could share a particular bookmark or set of bookmarks with a buddy across the cosmos.
I guess those are a lot of asks, and they're not at all w-space specific, but I do spend a lot of time dealing with bookmarks and would very much like a little loving to be applied to them.
Having said that I will now read above, prolly to discover others have already said all the same things ... or already disagreed vehemently with them :-) I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Ruric Thyase
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:06:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Ikrima wrote:The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history. It most definitely is. By the way, the changes to bookmark copying are on sisi now so feel free to give them a try and let us know how they feel. We'll also be doing a mass test next week where we will have everyone do a lot of simultaneous bookmark operations to make sure the server doesn't mind too much.
Am I the only one who read the first quote and thought of Austrian Economics, more specifically Kirzner's explanation of rational and sheer ignorance?
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.16 07:06:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We expect that the bookmark changes will be testable in the next update of SISI, do you can experience them for yourself.
So .. it would be helpful if you could acutally tell us what you changed instead of us guessing.
Things I found out (on 16.Aug.):
Copy from Locations to Cargo: - you can copy 10 BMs in one scoop instead of 5. - The copying from Locations to cargo seemed instantanious (but obviously SISI cluster is not cramped).
Drag from Cargo to Locations: - quite fast, but not instant. Draged 888 BMs, took less than a minute .. maybe 45 seconds (takes up to 30 Minutes on Tranq currently).
Copy from Personal Locations to Corp Locations and back (no limit in numbers / scoop): - Instant even for large amounts of BM (copied 500, less than a second). But I guess we had this already on Tranq already (not sure).
Other: - Corp BM Limit still 500, no Alliance BMs - Personal BM Limit still 13.000 BMs (you can "hold" more by dragging them from cargo to Locations but once you reach 13k you "add location" new ones or drag-in new ones from Corp Locations).
Bugs?: - You can not copy/drag from Corp Locations to Cargo if you try to copy/drag less then 10 BMs (nothing happens) but if you try to copy/drag more than 10 BMs from Corp Locations to cargo you get the error message that you can't copy more than 10 at a time. |
Vipexx Venim
The Sengoku Legacy
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:08:00 -
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Dawnel wrote:Radial menus for bookmarks for faster warping Bookmarks in overview Subfolders I don't care about the radial menu, but OHGODYES!
I know this is the WH subforums, but I'm dreaming of being able to satisfy my ocd by sorting BMs into Region -+ Constallation -+ Solar System.
Having the option of them showing up in the overview would be convenient.
Also, subfolders. And did I mention subfolders?
Vip. |
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.16 12:38:00 -
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Vipexx Venim wrote:[quote=Dawnel]Also, subfolders. And did I mention subfolders?
I have a folder for each Region, plus "Wormhole", plus "Quickwarp", plus "unsorted" .. = 45 Folders *sucks*
Subfolders yould be nice.
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Via Shivon
56
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:31:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! This thread is for all of your feedback and discussion surrounding the loosening of bookmark copying restrictions that we discussed in our recently released dev blog. We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. Just to get us started, we know you want alliance bookmarks. We're working on the backend systems that this kind of change would tie into.
Are there any Plans to increase the Bookmark Limit?
If not, could you give us the option to disable "Bookmark/Folder" in Station to lower our Bookmark count and have the option to create new ones? Shure nobody needs 30000 BM at once, but from time to time you shure do. |
Dynamiittiukko
Fistful of Finns Triumvirate.
39
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:50:00 -
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This is extremely good news!
I seriously hope the restriction loosening means a dramatic increase in the amount of bookmarks you can copy at one time. This coming from a person who makes most of his ISK by selling bookmarks and has copied a bare minimum of 150,000 of them - 5 at a time.
While you do get quite good and fast at copying bookmarks over time it's still frustrating to be able to only copy max 5 at a time. I would seriously love being able to copy an entire region's (~125-500) bookmarks at once.
Certainly doesn't hurt if moving the bookmarks from a container to your People & Places becomes significantly faster too. My Stain bookmark pack has 485 bookmarks and it may take up to 2 hours to move them, depending on server load.
.d |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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Marox Calendale wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over. Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement? That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important. Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but if not I guess you never lived in a WH with an alliance or coalition. Sharing 40 - 50 Bookmarks is not a rare thing, if you do. So I know certain people who say that this bookmark patch is the only important change CCP is providing with Hyperion. Actually, I was being serious. For now, this change is just them taking a limiter off already existing mechanics. I do agree some modicum of graciousness might be in order, but it feels less like a feature than a footnote.
You just named the real issue here, and it's not one of copying bookmarks 50 at a time, it's one of not being able to share within an alliance. I know the pain of having to share a stack of bookmarks between characters who aren't in the same corp, but there is a very simple solution to that, though its also dangerous and distasteful: Get everyone into the same corporation. Until the dreamed of ideas for alliance bookmarks come into existence, this is the only real way to effectively share bookmarks for a wormhole lifestyle.
As to the idea of alliance-wide bookmarks... This does create some complex and difficult choices about how bookmarks may be added or, more importantly, deleted, but those are decisions for if/when alliance bookmarks come into being. I would recommend that bookmark sharing be allowing a corp to mirror (without allowing them to be changed by other corps) a set of bookmarks from a folder in the originating corporation. If another corp wishes to share their bookmarks, they could mirror them as well into this new location. It allows a "look but don't touch" access level, and preserves the original locations for the creating corp so they can't be locked out or waylaid while exploring a chain. It isn't a perfect solution, but it might be a possible one for the moment, without is becoming a tool for internal information warfare via deletion of key locations. (Most corp members would be wise to keep a set of personal bookmarks for locations anyhow, but that's just my level of paranoia showing.) |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
148
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:50:00 -
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So what did change?
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:34:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:So what did change?
You can copy 10 BM in one go instead of 5 and its faster .. thats it.
"The speed at which players can copy bookmark locations has been increased, and the throttling limits have been lowered." |
King Akira
NACHO El Dorado NACHO Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:10:00 -
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
174
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:01:00 -
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OH my god the SPEEEEED!!
+1 |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:00:00 -
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I am very happy to see at least one aspect of Hyperion added a beneficial change to the game. |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
78
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:48:00 -
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Completely useless when your corp moves out of WHs due to the rest of the changes. |
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