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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.07.14 09:34:00 -
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I am currently runing the following but dont feel like i am getting the best form her, any one go any other set ups they can share?
Low Slots
1 * radioisotope reflective membrane i em dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * voltaic nanite reactive membrane i explosive dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * microcell nanite thermic membrane i thermal dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
2 * capital armor repairer i armor hp repaired 9600
Mid Slots
6 * barton reactor capacitor recharger i (I think they are barts the 18% ones.)
High slots
5 * heavy nosferatu i energy transfer amount 100 ----------------------------------------------
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Aptenodytes
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Posted - 2006.07.14 09:40:00 -
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Uh, is this for NPCing?
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.07.14 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aptenodytes Uh, is this for NPCing?
atm yep, but saying that would be nice to get a pvp set up to, when i got the isk going to get some drone control mods. ----------------------------------------------
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Aptenodytes
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Posted - 2006.07.14 11:18:00 -
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If you've got the ISK and the skill points to buy a carrier, then you shouldn't really have a problem finding a decent NPC setup... how did you earn the isk to buy it and the skills required to fly it?
Try fitting a webber or 3, your fighters might have problems hitting frigates/cruisers otherwise. Get active hardeners. Fit nanofibers or WCS.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.07.14 12:02:00 -
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setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.14 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 14/07/2006 12:24:56
Originally by: Aptenodytes If you've got the ISK and the skill points to buy a carrier, then you shouldn't really have a problem finding a decent NPC setup... how did you earn the isk to buy it and the skills required to fly it?
Try fitting a webber or 3, your fighters might have problems hitting frigates/cruisers otherwise. Get active hardeners. Fit nanofibers or WCS.
I spent a very very very very very very long time in a reteriver, then a = amount of very long time running lvl3's and wining competions on eve radio to get the isk.
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Perrin Aybara
Xenophobia Inc
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Posted - 2006.07.14 15:07:00 -
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You'd be better off fitting Basic Miners on it and would probably get more out of the ship than your current setup
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.14 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Perrin Aybara You'd be better off fitting Basic Miners on it and would probably get more out of the ship than your current setup
Well except that it dont have turret hard points, Thou it would be nice if some one had an actual setup, rather then the "your noob at fitting carriers" I know that already which is why i asked for help. ----------------------------------------------
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Aptenodytes
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Posted - 2006.07.14 15:30:00 -
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I already suggested webbers, active hardeners, nanofibers and WCS. ;) Target Painters too. Errrr, what spawns are you having problems killing with your current setup?
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aptenodytes I already suggested webbers, active hardeners, nanofibers and WCS. ;) Target Painters too. Errrr, what spawns are you having problems killing with your current setup?
none really, more concerd about the player kind, after such a huge time investment. ----------------------------------------------
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 17:39:00 -
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omg ...
lol
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Zaphoniggan
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.14 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Perrin Aybara You'd be better off fitting Basic Miners on it and would probably get more out of the ship than your current setup
ZOMG Perrin Aybara is flying spaceships?
Find any space wolves?
P.S. Not trying to be patronizing, I love WoT ------------------------------ I refuse to use a sig until my picture is up
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.14 18:07:00 -
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You want a drone boat for NPCing, must be filthy expensive, don't want a carrier? Why not a Moros, then?
But if you're worried the most about players killing you, you've pretty much completely screwed up by your first post.
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Aptenodytes
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Posted - 2006.07.15 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight none really, more concerd about the player kind, after such a huge time investment.
Uh, try warp core stabs then
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LordJohny
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 09:30:00 -
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buahahahah sry;]
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2006.07.15 09:37:00 -
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Go with active hardeners,less but better rechargers and with the added slots maybe a webber and WCS...The high slots is really a question to behold,possibly a rep for your fighters incase they get attacked but the rest i dont know,if your in gangs every once and a while add a gang assist and energy transfer possibly...Your gang might need it =).
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Vathar
Elegance
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Posted - 2006.07.15 09:48:00 -
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Barton are low grade named Cap rechargers, go for eutectic or even T2 (expensive but your ship is too)
For frigs and such, don't even bother using fighters (in fact, don't even use fighters to npc, ctd will cost you far too much!)
If you don't use an alt to control fighters, go for at least one sensor booster II or boredom will kill you before the rats do (long locking times)
Go for active T2 hardeners or an EANM II+DCU tank, or a mix of both.
If I'm not mistaken, drone control units and advanced drone interfacing are available _
Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Selak Zorander
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Posted - 2006.07.15 12:01:00 -
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if you go with mids full of tech 2 cap rechargers (and maybe you only need the eutics) you can run a dual capital armor rep and 3 active hardeners in lows for ever. That cap recharge also helps when jumping as if helps you get your cap recharged above 70% so you can make the next jump.
As for the highs, if your going to NPC, you should have atleast one tractor beam (the carrier flies damn slow and if you wont the loot then you need a tractor beam) and you should fit a cloaking device that way you have the potential of being able to hide from a few player rats though they would need several high damage BS/HACS or lots of NOS/Nuet if they want to get through the dual rep tank.
I would also consider training for and fitting one capital remote armor rep. It can repair the armor of a fighter in no more than two activations and can save you lots of isk in replacement/repairing of the fighters as there is always a chance they will get damaged. Other two highs are up to you, but you can prolly fit some NOS or Nuet there if you wanted.
Be warned though that the shields take forever to recharge so once they are down, dont count on them being much help the rest of the day almost, especially if you are constantly moving belt to belt. The NPC will prolly only need one armor rep to keep up with their damage.
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Buraken v2
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.15 12:30:00 -
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A true case of a complete and utter newbie trying to get the biggest ship ASAP
a sad day in eve
Quote: Mail from: Houvire Takaerne
2006.06.06 19:25 Our research has been fruity. If you're interested, I believe I have found what might be a banana in the corner of my office draw.
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.15 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 15/07/2006 13:02:28
Originally by: Selak Zorander if you go with mids full of tech 2 cap rechargers (and maybe you only need the eutics) you can run a dual capital armor rep and 3 active hardeners in lows for ever. That cap recharge also helps when jumping as if helps you get your cap recharged above 70% so you can make the next jump.
As for the highs, if your going to NPC, you should have atleast one tractor beam (the carrier flies damn slow and if you wont the loot then you need a tractor beam) and you should fit a cloaking device that way you have the potential of being able to hide from a few player rats though they would need several high damage BS/HACS or lots of NOS/Nuet if they want to get through the dual rep tank.
I would also consider training for and fitting one capital remote armor rep. It can repair the armor of a fighter in no more than two activations and can save you lots of isk in replacement/repairing of the fighters as there is always a chance they will get damaged. Other two highs are up to you, but you can prolly fit some NOS or Nuet there if you wanted.
Be warned though that the shields take forever to recharge so once they are down, dont count on them being much help the rest of the day almost, especially if you are constantly moving belt to belt. The NPC will prolly only need one armor rep to keep up with their damage.
Thanks for the advies, already fitted a tractor beam as goign from can to can would have killed me other wise, thou sayign that i find it very easy to forum gang all of a sudden, i wounder where, so every keeps dumping cans in me :).
The fighters to tend to get targeted first but i have found that keeping some one ss'ed and then remote assinging the fighters to them, and then pulling them back to me is better than trying to pull them back in, they move far to slow.
Sort of tawn better remote shild and amor atm, as shild would come in hand for getting pos shilds back up, but armor would probley be more usfull day to day. ----------------------------------------------
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davidwelsh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: davidwelsh on 15/07/2006 16:49:57
Originally by: Buraken v2 A true case of a complete and utter newbie trying to get the biggest ship ASAP
a sad day in eve
Why is this "sad"? It's his isk and his ship. If he wants to buy a carrier for npcing belts then so be it.
If he wants to buy it to mine in belts with mining drones then wonderful.
If he wants to get in it and then hit self destruct then that great too. What you and I see as a terrible waste of equipment is probably his pride and joy and a goal he's worked for for a while.
Him doing this will have ZERO effect on you and me or anyone in eve for that matter.
This is no more "sad" than people using them as glorified freighters in 0.0.
(He actually has a REAL chance of losing his while NPCing at least.)
So I say... More power to him...
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Epsilon 1
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:55:00 -
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Carebears at it again. I warned you all that such thread will start showing up in 1-2 months time and looksee now
Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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jbob2000
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.15 16:57:00 -
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My god, that setup is complete junk. Radioisotope hardeners? You can afford an 800mil fight, yet can't afford at least n-types (~5mil a piece)?
Go back to noob city.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 17:18:00 -
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wow, just wow
apart the fact that your setup is complete crap and a 1 month old char could probably point you to a better fitting, i have to ask this:
you bought all the skills, the carrier itself + fighters and you use t1 stuff only?
barton reactor cap rechargers? wtf you can spend 1-2 bill isk on carrier/skills itself but you cant afford t2 cap rechargers?
hit the selfdestructbutton, plz, it will be faster and a lot less painful process for everyone involved, and then hit the biomasss recycling center
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 17:19:00 -
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1 Large or Capital Remote Armor Repairer, 1 Drone Interface 1 Dread Guristas Cloak 1 True Sansha Large Smart Bomb
1 Shadow Serp. Signal Booster 1 28k scram 1 14km web ( web/scram to be changed for 35k officer mods asap ) 3 cap recharger IIs
2 Cap Armor reps 1 True Sansha Energized Nano 1 Internal Force Field Array I 1 darkblood cap relay
8 Einherji's, 8 Templars, Rest of space filled with a variety of medium IIs, Heavy Neut/ECM/Web/damp/MTSNBN drones.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 17:20:00 -
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Be nice people... atleast he is flying it and not a thanatos!
Hail Minmatar!
Team Minmatar |
steveid
Penetrate
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Posted - 2006.07.15 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 14/07/2006 12:24:56
Originally by: Aptenodytes If you've got the ISK and the skill points to buy a carrier, then you shouldn't really have a problem finding a decent NPC setup... how did you earn the isk to buy it and the skills required to fly it?
Try fitting a webber or 3, your fighters might have problems hitting frigates/cruisers otherwise. Get active hardeners. Fit nanofibers or WCS.
I spent a very very very very very very long time in a reteriver, then a = amount of very long time running lvl3's and wining competions on eve radio to get the isk.
i.e. it was his birthday and mommy bought it off ebay.
This ship screams for t2 / faction stuff. In all seriousness it really really will make a differance. Tbh i wouldn't fly one without it.
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SpaceCleaver
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.15 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 14/07/2006 12:24:56
Originally by: Aptenodytes If you've got the ISK and the skill points to buy a carrier, then you shouldn't really have a problem finding a decent NPC setup... how did you earn the isk to buy it and the skills required to fly it?
Try fitting a webber or 3, your fighters might have problems hitting frigates/cruisers otherwise. Get active hardeners. Fit nanofibers or WCS.
I spent a very very very very very very long time in a reteriver, then a = amount of very long time running lvl3's and wining competions on eve radio to get the isk.
i.e. it was his birthday and mommy bought it off ebay.
This ship screams for t2 / faction stuff. In all seriousness it really really will make a differance. Tbh i wouldn't fly one without it.
Oh stop it you don't even know the guy.
Hoh i know you've spent along time and alot of effort getting this, and your brain has prolly taken damage from all that mining, but you can do better
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Amthrianius
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2006.07.15 21:01:00 -
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Since the op clearly doesnt even know how to fit a rifter no doubt here:
5 DCU's (if you only have skill for 4 fit 4 and a 7.5km+ smartbomb, as if you have drones (as in players drones) attacking you, you cant align for warp as they bump you all the time.
5 cap rech 2's 1 sensor booster 2
1 of each apart from EM core x-type hardners (therm/kin/exp) dual capital rep ---------------
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.15 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 15/07/2006 21:25:01
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
Banned for 1 more day for trolling.. (1 week ban). Hmm, Nidhoggur has really ****ty cap. I wouldn't even try to run dual capital armor rep.
Kayliana. Do you use that setup? I don't mean to sound like someone that might say something along the lines of 'which system are you in?' but yea..
Hey, I fly the thanatos, I'm biased.
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Frankinator
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.15 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Aptenodytes I already suggested webbers, active hardeners, nanofibers and WCS. ;) Target Painters too. Errrr, what spawns are you having problems killing with your current setup?
none really, more concerd about the player kind, after such a huge time investment.
Oh yes, we're coming for you.
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Wicked Wisdom
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Posted - 2006.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Aptenodytes I already suggested webbers, active hardeners, nanofibers and WCS. ;) Target Painters too. Errrr, what spawns are you having problems killing with your current setup?
none really, more concerd about the player kind, after such a huge time investment.
Oh yes, we're coming for you.
/me hums the Cops theme song... Sig must be under 24000 bytes and no more than 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected]) |
Benglada
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.15 21:40:00 -
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ok, for one, YOUR USING PASSIVE HARDNERS ON A SHIP THAT COSTS A BILLION ISK, DUBBA TEE EFF? ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Amthrianius
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2006.07.16 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 15/07/2006 21:25:01
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
Hmm, Nidhoggur has really ****ty cap. I wouldn't even try to run dual capital armor rep.
It does, allthough if it were neuted a bit it couldnt it just does it with 6 rechargers or with 5 but turning one rep off every 5 minutes for a cycle ---------------
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 16/07/2006 04:49:08
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 15/07/2006 21:25:01
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
Banned for 1 more day for trolling.. (1 week ban). Hmm, Nidhoggur has really ****ty cap. I wouldn't even try to run dual capital armor rep.
Kayliana. Do you use that setup? I don't mean to sound like someone that might say something along the lines of 'which system are you in?' but yea..
Hey, I fly the thanatos, I'm biased.
That is my current NPC setup minus one or 2 things... and it works fine. Dual Reps on a nidhoggur are only for short bursts as yes it does have a pretty small cap. Obviously the web and scram are there for PvP engagements if your ship can't get to a SS after local starts to fill up ( nothing like having your drones warp away after 1 ship while you are taking fire from more ).
Team Minmatar |
Foulis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 07:50:00 -
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How do you find the fighters work against BS spawns? And what are your lock times like? ----
Cake > Pie - Imaran
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Tomsudy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Buraken v2 A true case of a complete and utter newbie trying to get the biggest ship ASAP
a sad day in eve
stfu
this guy has asked for help, atleast he has a carrier he shouldnt have to put up with ***** like you making comments like that in his thread ________________________________________
Order of the white dragon |
Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 16/07/2006 08:28:17
Originally by: Tomsudy
Originally by: Buraken v2 A true case of a complete and utter newbie trying to get the biggest ship ASAP
a sad day in eve
stfu
this guy has asked for help, atleast he has a carrier he shouldnt have to put up with ***** like you making comments like that in his thread
Even if he invested time and money to train in it, if he doesn't know how to fly it effectivly, He pretty much bypassed all the learning curve you usually get, and valuable information you gain from not getting in these ships too quickly.
Geez, I don't know what's up lately, but i've been a smacking freak for a long time, and it's weird but it's alot more fun to put idiots back in their spot.
The guy has a point, And even tho he might be pointing the obvious in a crude way. He's right.
The forum is filled of those, and replies like yours too.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.07.16 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight I am currently runing the following but dont feel like i am getting the best form her, any one go any other set ups they can share?
Low Slots
1 * radioisotope reflective membrane i em dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * voltaic nanite reactive membrane i explosive dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * microcell nanite thermic membrane i thermal dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
2 * capital armor repairer i armor hp repaired 9600
Mid Slots
6 * barton reactor capacitor recharger i (I think they are barts the 18% ones.)
High slots
5 * heavy nosferatu i energy transfer amount 100
Sell it and start at the bottom ,buy a Tempest and NPC with that.
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Metropolis Princess
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Posted - 2006.07.16 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Metropolis Princess on 16/07/2006 09:42:18
Some people take this game way too seriously. Do you even have a life outside eve?
The guy simply asked for help.
The day you start to pay his subscription fee's is the day you can start to tell him what to spend his isk on. If you have nothing constructive to post then why did you even bother? Was it to make yourselves look all big and clever? Well sorry but you did the complete opposite.... just shows how many cowards infest these boards waiting to take a cheap shot at someone who asked for help.
Grow up and get a life ffs.
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Metropolis Princess Edited by: Metropolis Princess on 16/07/2006 09:42:18
Some people take this game way too seriously. Do you even have a life outside eve?
The guy simply asked for help.
The day you start to pay his subscription fee's is the day you can start to tell him what to spend his isk on. If you have nothing constructive to post then why did you even bother? Was it to make yourselves look all big and clever? Well sorry but you did the complete opposite.... just shows how many cowards infest these boards waiting to take a cheap shot at someone who asked for help.
Grow up and get a life ffs.
There's two things on this forum. People with a life, and people with a life and no idea what EVE community is like.
Guess which type you are? It doesn't take a geek with no life, depressed over his crappy looking face to insult a ****ty setup and a clueless muppet.
Next.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Metropolis Princess Edited by: Metropolis Princess on 16/07/2006 09:42:18
Some people take this game way too seriously. Do you even have a life outside eve?
The guy simply asked for help.
The day you start to pay his subscription fee's is the day you can start to tell him what to spend his isk on. If you have nothing constructive to post then why did you even bother? Was it to make yourselves look all big and clever? Well sorry but you did the complete opposite.... just shows how many cowards infest these boards waiting to take a cheap shot at someone who asked for help.
Grow up and get a life ffs.
Well in my oint of viewn :
1-His setup sucks
2-He would better off with a tempest.
You call us cowards?We are trying to help,or do you want to see him bit*** that he lost his super carrier to 2 BS?And start moaning that eve is too hard?
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Metropolis Princess
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: Metropolis Princess Edited by: Metropolis Princess on 16/07/2006 09:42:18
Some people take this game way too seriously. Do you even have a life outside eve?
The guy simply asked for help.
The day you start to pay his subscription fee's is the day you can start to tell him what to spend his isk on. If you have nothing constructive to post then why did you even bother? Was it to make yourselves look all big and clever? Well sorry but you did the complete opposite.... just shows how many cowards infest these boards waiting to take a cheap shot at someone who asked for help.
Grow up and get a life ffs.
There's two things on this forum. People with a life, and people with a life and no idea what EVE community is like.
Guess which type you are? It doesn't take a geek with no life, depressed over his crappy looking face to insult a ****ty setup and a clueless muppet.
Next.
Unfortunatley geeks with no life are the only type of people who would bother to insult someone over how they choose to play a computer game
You just proved my point.
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Metropolis Princess
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Metropolis Princess Edited by: Metropolis Princess on 16/07/2006 09:42:18
Some people take this game way too seriously. Do you even have a life outside eve?
The guy simply asked for help.
The day you start to pay his subscription fee's is the day you can start to tell him what to spend his isk on. If you have nothing constructive to post then why did you even bother? Was it to make yourselves look all big and clever? Well sorry but you did the complete opposite.... just shows how many cowards infest these boards waiting to take a cheap shot at someone who asked for help.
Grow up and get a life ffs.
Well in my oint of viewn :
1-His setup sucks
2-He would better off with a tempest.
You call us cowards?We are trying to help,or do you want to see him bit*** that he lost his super carrier to 2 BS?And start moaning that eve is too hard?
I was reffering more to posts like Buraken's and his ilk.
At least you offered some advice.
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.16 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
snip 1-His setup sucks
2-He would better off with a tempest.
You call us cowards?We are trying to help,or do you want to see him bit*** that he lost his super carrier to 2 BS?And start moaning that eve is too hard?
1 I already knew that, hence asking for help
2 I have a tempest or 3
AS for the rest of you go find dsome where else to troll, really if you have no advice about setups why are you even bothering to post?
Ps Nice to see you still playing frank, Inner space has not been the same with out you ----------------------------------------------
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voidvim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:20:00 -
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I personal would look at dominix setup for level 4 missions as IMHO carrier are just dominix write large. I hope this helps
P.S. All theo the trolls on this thread are just plain rude, your post did come over as theo you brought the character and isk off of ebays (not that you did of course)
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis How do you find the fighters work against BS spawns? And what are your lock times like?
Lock times are decent enough they dont bother me at all. I only kill BSs but if there are web/scramblers I will go for BS first while locking the others.
Fighters simply slaughter NPCs. Only thing that comes close is a really tricked out domi with BS 5, Drone Interfacing 5, and t2 drones. Ofc there are things to watch out for like 90km away spawns since you don't want to have your fighters MWD to 90km and then take 5 minutes to come back naturally asperated.
Overall its the reason why I don't mind NPCing to pay for my expensive PvP losses with my pilgrim pilot.
Team Minmatar |
Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
1 I already knew that, hence asking for help
2 I have a tempest or 3
AS for the rest of you go find dsome where else to troll, really if you have no advice about setups why are you even bothering to post?
I am offering advice
Team Minmatar |
Kurtz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 19:19:00 -
[49]
Your setup is in the thinking of a battleship sans turret and launcher slots. A carrier is a different type of ship altogether.
Rule number one with a carrier: A carrier never operates solo.
The ship is designed as a support platform. Use it like one. Carry ammo and refitments for your gang/corp in the hangers. Carry looting ships, tacklers, or replacement ships for your gang/corp in the ship hanger.
Gang/corp members can refit their ships next to you in space. This is a very powerful feature.
Carriers can operate gang support modules. Take advantage of that.
Carriers can use drone control modules. Use them.
Remaining high slots should be shield/armor/cap transfer modules.
Fit your mid slots to compliment your fighters/drones and your escorts. Target painters can reach farther than webbers, and are a Minmatar tactic.
Don't try and be a tackler.
A cloak is a good choice, but don't operate it whilst fighters are in space.
Capital modules take huge amounts cap to operate and cycle very slowly. They are not always the best option.
Avoid direct combat with PC's by using fighter delegation.
Carriers have huge drone bays. Don't just carry fighters. Carry a full wave of logistic drones, webbers, sentries, lights, mediums, and heavies. You'll still have room left over for a spare fighter or two.
Carriers can use regular drones in addition to fighters, and in the same amounts. They cannot delegate non fighters however.
Don't use the carrier to NPC hunt like a battleship. Use it like a command and control system. Stand off a bit, target paint, send drones down range, have gang mates take aggro from the NPC an then transfer cap/armor/shield to them.
Use your repair modules to repair drones that get damaged, and not just your own.
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KilROCK
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.16 20:52:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kurtz Rule number one with a carrier: A carrier never operates solo.
Learn to think outside of the Box.
Whine whine whine, sigs |
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xEntriq
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Posted - 2006.07.17 07:09:00 -
[51]
You spend 2bil on the ship + skills, and you fit less then 5mil worth of modules on the ship - nice.
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KilROCK
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 07:14:00 -
[52]
Originally by: xEntriq You spend 2bil on the ship + skills, and you fit less then 5mil worth of modules on the ship - nice.
Ah, Hello. I'm KilROCK. Who might you be? Clueless poster #1238129831 i suppose.
Ah yes.
Quote: 2 * capital armor repairer i armor hp repaired 9600
Open your market mr.Clueless poster #1238129831 What's the price for those two? 45-55m Per unit? Ah yes, proven wrong.
Back in your hole unless you can post something that is original that wasn't already said without making a fool of your lack of brain.
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Ed Gein
Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.17 07:18:00 -
[53]
*begins a light golf clap, and waits eagerly for kilrocks next sorting
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kurtz Your setup is in the thinking of a battleship sans turret and launcher slots. A carrier is a different type of ship altogether.
Rule number one with a carrier: A carrier never operates solo.
The ship is designed as a support platform. Use it like one. Carry ammo and refitments for your gang/corp in the hangers. Carry looting ships, tacklers, or replacement ships for your gang/corp in the ship hanger.
Gang/corp members can refit their ships next to you in space. This is a very powerful feature.
Carriers can operate gang support modules. Take advantage of that.
Carriers can use drone control modules. Use them.
Remaining high slots should be shield/armor/cap transfer modules.
Fit your mid slots to compliment your fighters/drones and your escorts. Target painters can reach farther than webbers, and are a Minmatar tactic.
Don't try and be a tackler.
A cloak is a good choice, but don't operate it whilst fighters are in space.
Capital modules take huge amounts cap to operate and cycle very slowly. They are not always the best option.
Avoid direct combat with PC's by using fighter delegation.
Carriers have huge drone bays. Don't just carry fighters. Carry a full wave of logistic drones, webbers, sentries, lights, mediums, and heavies. You'll still have room left over for a spare fighter or two.
Carriers can use regular drones in addition to fighters, and in the same amounts. They cannot delegate non fighters however.
Don't use the carrier to NPC hunt like a battleship. Use it like a command and control system. Stand off a bit, target paint, send drones down range, have gang mates take aggro from the NPC an then transfer cap/armor/shield to them.
Use your repair modules to repair drones that get damaged, and not just your own.
Team Minmatar |
Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.17 09:55:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
1 I already knew that, hence asking for help
2 I have a tempest or 3
AS for the rest of you go find dsome where else to troll, really if you have no advice about setups why are you even bothering to post?
I am offering advice
Was not aimed at you at all, And thanks to Kurtz as well, and every one else for teh advice. Finding it very usfull. ----------------------------------------------
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Fogy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 10:35:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Kurtz Your setup is in the thinking of a battleship sans turret and launcher slots. A carrier is a different type of ship altogether.
Rule number one with a carrier: A carrier never operates solo.
The ship is designed as a support platform. Use it like one. Carry ammo and refitments for your gang/corp in the hangers. Carry looting ships, tacklers, or replacement ships for your gang/corp in the ship hanger.
Gang/corp members can refit their ships next to you in space. This is a very powerful feature.
Carriers can operate gang support modules. Take advantage of that.
Carriers can use drone control modules. Use them.
Remaining high slots should be shield/armor/cap transfer modules.
Fit your mid slots to compliment your fighters/drones and your escorts. Target painters can reach farther than webbers, and are a Minmatar tactic.
Don't try and be a tackler.
A cloak is a good choice, but don't operate it whilst fighters are in space.
Capital modules take huge amounts cap to operate and cycle very slowly. They are not always the best option.
Avoid direct combat with PC's by using fighter delegation.
Carriers have huge drone bays. Don't just carry fighters. Carry a full wave of logistic drones, webbers, sentries, lights, mediums, and heavies. You'll still have room left over for a spare fighter or two.
Carriers can use regular drones in addition to fighters, and in the same amounts. They cannot delegate non fighters however.
Don't use the carrier to NPC hunt like a battleship. Use it like a command and control system. Stand off a bit, target paint, send drones down range, have gang mates take aggro from the NPC an then transfer cap/armor/shield to them.
Use your repair modules to repair drones that get damaged, and not just your own.
Thats actualy the most constructive reply in this thread so far. what the op is asking for is a "solo" npc settup for his carrier. I¦ll presume you have a alt, that you use for cynoseral field¦s and stuff. gett that alt into a AF, BS, or whatever you fancy and dellegate your drones to him, place yourself at a GOOD ss and use your alt to do the npc¦ing bitt. (this is presuming you got a good enough comp to ruun 2 clients simultaniously, or 2 comps. (Window mode hellps alot with computer lagg))
Fitt it with remote armor, shield and cap transfers, and a cloak. all to suport your alt and fighters when needed. the rest of the slotts id sugest NOS (gett named ones) and/or a tractor beam (idea is when your alt¦s cargo is full of loot, you warp him to your carrier, just dropp the can where you come out of warp, and beam it into the carrier. all to give you less deadtime) swapp thous hardeners for active ones, or do the 2x EANMx2 + DCU (preferably the last one IMO, spechially if you got or after you gett thous armor hardening skills up)
Follow the tip above about filling your drone bay with suport drones, and such, newer know when they come handy.
as its been said lotts of times befor, the carrier isnt supost to be at the front of the battlefield, even if your NPC¦ing, you never know when your belt turns into a meyham of pirates or griefers wanting to hunt you down caus they know you got a carrier. and trust me.. there will be ppl looking for you.
This is the best i can come up with for "solo" carrier usage. and its the way i would have done it if i had one. Cheers! Fogy
GL HF, enjoy the carrier!
Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
New Direction New Area New Victims |
Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:33:00 -
[57]
Yep after a few outings I found the nos usless really it was doing nothing. The tractor beam has been a gods send, I did try smart bombs at one point, but since the frig's changed orbiting to 5750k they usless to, prob going to push for capital remote shild rep next. ----------------------------------------------
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Kasak Black
133rd Ghost Wing Stain- Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:06:00 -
[58]
Hoh mate, hows it going. Gotta say thats one crazy setup right there.
You must have been smoking something eh, some peeps have posted good setups though, have a play with those.
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:24:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Kasak Black Hoh mate, hows it going. Gotta say thats one crazy setup right there.
You must have been smoking something eh, some peeps have posted good setups though, have a play with those.
lol, dude ofc i am krazzy i spent 6 months in a retiver mining the misn for a byob ----------------------------------------------
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:50:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
So True !
PAssive resists bad on carrier, and Lots Of NOS ? Its shocking, just too shocking to mention.
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:51:00 -
[61]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
So True !
PAssive resists bad on carrier, and Lots Of NOS ? Its shocking, just too shocking to mention.
Actually, True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane + Internal Force Field Array combination make for great resists.
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
So True !
PAssive resists bad on carrier, and Lots Of NOS ? Its shocking, just too shocking to mention.
well to keep you all happy its now fitted with officer mods, they where not as exspensive as i thought they where going to be tbh.
Thou other than the tractor beam, am not finding much use for them high slots yet. ----------------------------------------------
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:24:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
So True !
PAssive resists bad on carrier, and Lots Of NOS ? Its shocking, just too shocking to mention.
well to keep you all happy its now fitted with officer mods, they where not as exspensive as i thought they where going to be tbh.
Thou other than the tractor beam, am not finding much use for them high slots yet.
Drone Control Unit I, You stinking sad excuse for a carrier pilot
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Hohenheim OfLight
The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Originally by: Keta Min setup police! kilrock flameage assistance requested!
So True !
PAssive resists bad on carrier, and Lots Of NOS ? Its shocking, just too shocking to mention.
well to keep you all happy its now fitted with officer mods, they where not as exspensive as i thought they where going to be tbh.
Thou other than the tractor beam, am not finding much use for them high slots yet.
Drone Control Unit I, You stinking sad excuse for a carrier pilot
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:26:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 19/07/2006 10:57:28
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Drone Control Unit I, You stinking sad excuse for a carrier pilot [:evil:
lol, stating the obious much, i am luckking for the more unsuall rather than the obivous.
Thou thinking about it the officer hardners arnt really officer at, all probley fraction would be a better word.
I was about to say... noway you could have had officer mods by now. One day I will probably shield tank my Nidhoggur after I square out some skills for claymore then go ahead and max out carrier skills. I think if you go armor tank you really need those chelm mods at some point if you want to be serious about it... but tbh faction mods are really all you need for a shield tank... Dread Gurista's for the win.
Team Minmatar Carrier need Clone Vats
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski There's two things on this forum. People with a life, and people with a life and no idea what EVE community is like.
Guess which type you are? It doesn't take a geek with no life, depressed over his crappy looking face to insult a ****ty setup and a clueless muppet.
Next.
yeah man, don't you know that the eve community consists of synthetically sustained flesh bags floating in green gelatinous ectoplasm? What did you expect to find, HUMAN BEINGS?
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I M'Aspy
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Posted - 2006.09.13 09:11:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Drone Control Unit I, You stinking sad excuse for a carrier pilot
Drone Control Unit I CPU = 7500 Powergrid = 75000
Nidhoggur CPU = 700 Powergrid = 575000
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.13 09:56:00 -
[68]
Originally by: I M'Aspy
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Drone Control Unit I, You stinking sad excuse for a carrier pilot
Drone Control Unit I CPU = 7500 Powergrid = 75000
Nidhoggur CPU = 700 Powergrid = 575000
Carriers get a bonus towards fitting DCU's.
Ps: Bumping old topics is bad. -----
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.13 10:23:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 13/09/2006 10:23:45 what i have on mine.. might drop a DCU for a smartbomb
4 x DCU I 1 x cloak
4 x cap recharger II 1 x sensor booster 1 x mizuros warp scramb -3
2 x capital reps 2 x EANM 1 X DMG CONTROL
thinking of going 2 EANM and a explosive hard
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Jackie Minos
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:31:00 -
[70]
Anyone fitting Nidhogur for shield tank?
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Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:35:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 13/09/2006 10:23:45 what i have on mine.. might drop a DCU for a smartbomb
4 x DCU I 1 x cloak
4 x cap recharger II 1 x sensor booster 1 x mizuros warp scramb -3
2 x capital reps 2 x EANM 1 X DMG CONTROL
Dont you find the lock time a bit crappy with just one sensor and a cloak?
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:52:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Chode Rizoum Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 13/09/2006 10:23:45 what i have on mine.. might drop a DCU for a smartbomb
4 x DCU I 1 x cloak
4 x cap recharger II 1 x sensor booster 1 x mizuros warp scramb -3
2 x capital reps 2 x EANM 1 X DMG CONTROL
Dont you find the lock time a bit crappy with just one sensor and a cloak?
10ish on a bs.. well it is a big ship..
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.13 18:03:00 -
[73]
setting up a ship as this all depends on the task at hand and who or what you have along side you... i think that is the first step that you have to do and not ask for a fit... because well generic fit is generic... but with a ship as this you can specialize in any area.. can do just about anything you want with it... but again depends what its for... it is a big ship regardless that carriers are pre nerfed atm, still have lots of options but probably limited by your chars skills... as you could set up for complete tank, gank, support, or just afk at pos with max fighters (skills modules) gang warfare mod(s) logi etc... this ship can do this because you can have option of shield tank or armor tank.... i doubt it does either good as other race's carriers, but its there
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Leela Pisces
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Posted - 2006.10.14 11:52:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Fogy Thats actualy the most constructive reply in this thread so far. what the op is asking for is a "solo" npc settup for his carrier. I¦ll presume you have a alt, that you use for cynoseral field¦s and stuff. gett that alt into a AF, BS, or whatever you fancy and dellegate your drones to him, place yourself at a GOOD ss and use your alt to do the npc¦ing bitt. (this is presuming you got a good enough comp to ruun 2 clients simultaniously, or 2 comps. (Window mode hellps alot with computer lagg))
Fitt it with remote armor, shield and cap transfers, and a cloak. all to suport your alt and fighters when needed. the rest of the slotts id sugest NOS (gett named ones) and/or a tractor beam (idea is when your alt¦s cargo is full of loot, you warp him to your carrier, just dropp the can where you come out of warp, and beam it into the carrier. all to give you less deadtime) swapp thous hardeners for active ones, or do the 2x EANMx2 + DCU (preferably the last one IMO, spechially if you got or after you gett thous armor hardening skills up)
Follow the tip above about filling your drone bay with suport drones, and such, newer know when they come handy.
as its been said lotts of times befor, the carrier isnt supost to be at the front of the battlefield, even if your NPC¦ing, you never know when your belt turns into a meyham of pirates or griefers wanting to hunt you down caus they know you got a carrier. and trust me.. there will be ppl looking for you.
This is the best i can come up with for "solo" carrier usage. and its the way i would have done it if i had one. Cheers! Fogy
GL HF, enjoy the carrier!
Cheers! Fogy
You Identify the most contructive reply to this thread then aspire to go one better and make one specific to a solo carrier user?
For what its worth - you certainly did that Fogy
I'm also starting out with my first carrier and it too is a Nidhoggur.
I already have some experiance with fittings however as I've been playing support to a thanatos for some time now however I also understand that there is a huge amount you have to learn from scatch about capital scale combat which you cannot learn in a bs. Also this learning is specific to the support roles that carriers specialise in.
Dreads specialise in armour and POS-digestion but they can still be used for gate camping or other various roles.
When we get our first bs - its wow! shout on local - "I've got a bs \o/".....
[Mr Pirate] ".....Really? can I 'see' ? "...... pop
As a result - its pretty clear that any new class of ship you aspire to needs its own learning curve.
Nice to see another Nidhoggur pilot - should start an enthusiast club
Fly Safe o/
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Elijah Ghost
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Posted - 2006.10.15 11:28:00 -
[75]
In my opinion, its actually a very good set up. I've been fighting angel NPCs and they can be a ***** to take down from time to time, especially because I am Amarr, and the Angel NPCs are generally very well resisted to the amarr beams. But the set up has worked a dream, I've been able to hold cap and cap again while double repping, WITHOUT the NOS', and even with them, I've been able to activate hardeners of my own when I put some on.
All in all, this set-up works like a dream. Thanks for the info. (Any chance on posting about an Amarr Dread setup?)
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Hectic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 17:36:00 -
[76]
This is why the minmatar will forever and always be the slaves....
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drillerkiller2004
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi Be nice people... atleast he is flying it and not a thanatos!
Hail Minmatar!
Lol, what a fool.....he's thrown his money away!
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Steve Nash
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:14:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight I am currently runing the following but dont feel like i am getting the best form her, any one go any other set ups they can share?
Low Slots
1 * radioisotope reflective membrane i em dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * voltaic nanite reactive membrane i explosive dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
1 * microcell nanite thermic membrane i thermal dmg resistance bonus -32,5 %
2 * capital armor repairer i armor hp repaired 9600
Mid Slots
6 * barton reactor capacitor recharger i (I think they are barts the 18% ones.)
High slots
5 * heavy nosferatu i energy transfer amount 100
Sell it and start at the bottom ,buy a Tempest and NPC with that.
I'm sorry but posts like this bother me. I remember a year or so ago when I was so excited to get into my new battleship and posted here to get advise on setups only to be shot down by video game elitests. At every turn in eve Ive been told to wait, to not try x until y, that such and such is impossible. Thank god I never listened to that bunk and this guy shouldn't either. If he's got the money to fly a carrier with crappy tech one stuff so be it. If carriers had been released 6 months earlier I would have made a b-line for one as well. What can be more fun than undocking that huge shiny behemoth that you've saved months for? It never ceases to amaze me when people actually get angry over someones skill level on the forums no less. Big ships are fun, video games are supposed to be fun. Rock on noob carrier pilot. My suggestion: save for a dread and fit heavy launchers on it.
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.15 14:02:00 -
[79]
Steve Nash, nice to know there is still some nice people who place eve.
As for the nidog well its still fitteed rather unconventionally.
* Highs *
large graviton smartbomb i
large proton smartbomb i
large plasma smartbomb i
I would make them tec two put i just dont see the point, they insta vapourise drones as it is.
capital remote armor repair system i
Obvious really, shilds come back on their on so armor tends to be more important, plus most people seam to tank with shilds so when they lose their tank then need an armor rep.
Tractor beam
For loot and such carrier is far to slow.
* Meds *
cap recharger ii * 6
Mini cap recharge sucks enuth said.
* Lows *
capital armor repairer i * 2
Got have some sort of tank and can run one for ever with the cap recharer 2's and can run the 2nd one enuth for a top up.
armor thermic hardener ii armor kinetic hardener ii armor explosive hardener ii
To get the resists up to be a little more respectable.
Ps would be nice to see how some one else fitss their carrier, but who would want to post in here with the amount of bile that gets thrown around? ----------------------------------------------
Gone but not forgotten
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Virusuk
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.15 14:35:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Virusuk on 15/11/2006 14:45:00 I use.
High. 1x capital remote armor repair system I 2x Drone Control I 1x Large smartbomb I 1x Improved cloaking device II
Med. 1x Sensor booster II 5x Dark Blood cap recharger
Low. 1x Capital armor repairer I 1x Dark blood explosive hardener 1x Dark blood thermic hardener 1x Dark blood kinetic hardener 1x Dark Blood energized adaptive nano
Or
Low. 2x Capital armor repairer I 1x Dark blood explosive hardener 1x Dark blood kinetic hardener 1x Dark Blood energized adaptive nano
I'm thinking about geting some 64% Hardeners soon
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Biarch
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:17:00 -
[81]
As a new Nidhoggur pilot myself, there really wasn't a lot in this thread, except for the end parts.
Anyone want to post some more setups now that Kali1 is out, and everyone also has more carrier experience?
What does it take to take down a carrier now with the 400% increase in HPs?
I'm wondering if a BS comes for me, do I panic? Will fighters take him down before he takes me down etc? 3 BS?
What are some peoples experiences of real combat in their Nidhoggurs?
And for what it's worth, I think it's an awesome looking ship....
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Biarch
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:46:00 -
[82]
These are so bad that no one bothers anymore?
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Unleashed
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:33:00 -
[83]
The kind of elitist attitudes shown here are quite astounding. I bet you lot are also the same guys who cry on the forums about not enough people in 0.0 and empire carebears. Shameful. ___
>currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:56:00 -
[84]
2x armor rep stays,swap out the passive tank for active t2.
Rechargers stay...But take 2 out and fit a sensor booster and web.
NOS GO,1 cloak and drone control units.
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.16 00:00:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Virusuk Edited by: Virusuk on 15/11/2006 14:45:00 I use.
High. 1x capital remote armor repair system I 2x Drone Control I 1x Large smartbomb I 1x Improved cloaking device II
Med. 1x Sensor booster II 5x Dark Blood cap recharger
Low. 1x Capital armor repairer I 1x Dark blood explosive hardener 1x Dark blood thermic hardener 1x Dark blood kinetic hardener 1x Dark Blood energized adaptive nano
Or
Low. 2x Capital armor repairer I 1x Dark blood explosive hardener 1x Dark blood kinetic hardener 1x Dark Blood energized adaptive nano
I'm thinking about geting some 64% Hardeners soon
64% who makes them and how many billions is it going to cost me? ----------------------------------------------
Gone but not forgotten
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Serilla
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 00:15:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight 64% who makes them and how many billions is it going to cost me?
Core X-Type hardeners ran ~200-220m, last time I checked for my carrier, haven't looked recently though, but Centum/Centus/Corpum EANMs had dropped slightly in price from when I last looked (around the same time) so you might be able to find them for less.
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:07:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Serilla
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight 64% who makes them and how many billions is it going to cost me?
Core X-Type hardeners ran ~200-220m, last time I checked for my carrier, haven't looked recently though, but Centum/Centus/Corpum EANMs had dropped slightly in price from when I last looked (around the same time) so you might be able to find them for less.
yep they still around that, with exp one and a tec1 ecp rig manged to get my epx res up to 76%, when i got the cash going to boost over 2 none em ones. ----------------------------------------------
Gone but not forgotten
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:14:00 -
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MY EYES! MY EYES!
MEDIC! I CANT SEE ANYTHING!
tech 1 on a carrier wts clue & gtc 4tha lose
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:19:00 -
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Are u ratting in k25 or tde, just so we go straight to u and not waste time looking in all Geminate :P
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:10:00 -
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:26:00 -
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tbh you want dual rep tank you need to get faction/officer cap rechargers to sustain it indefinately
anyway: setup.
Solo ganking carrier.
3x Drone Control Unit 1x Officer Thermal smartbomb 1x Officer Neutralizer
5x True Sansha Cap Rechager or better 1x Officer Sensor Booster
2x Capital Armor rep 3x Corprum A-type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane.
Decent tank with all the comp skills worked up, and if you drop a drone control unit for a resistance gang module, it gets even better.
with lv4 carrier you can pull 12 fighters out of it which is damn good damage.
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ewa Quillam Are u ratting in k25 or tde, just so we go straight to u and not waste time looking in all Geminate :P
k25 :P but you lots had your chance and 25 of you could not pop me, and that was in the very first set up posted.
But long gone are the days of ratting in carriers may have taken for ever but final got a bs out here, so you had you chance and failed.
As for the guy who says about officer cap recharges at a billion isk each they our a out of my price range and B a little much for a carrier mabye for a mother ship. ----------------------------------------------
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ZarnieWoop
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Posted - 2007.02.17 22:00:00 -
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has any one got a good passive tank set up based on shield rigs etc HIGH SLOTS :
As is you desire
MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 0 | 30] Heat Dissipation Amplifier II - [ 0 | 30] Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II - [ 0 | 30] Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II X 2 - [ 0 | 50] Shield Recharger II or 1 SB2
LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 1 | 30] Damage Control II - [ 0 | 15] Power Diagnostic System II X 4
RIG-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 50] Core Defence Field Extender I X 3
SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Capacitor (regen) : 79767.583 Energy (1914.43sec) Max Cap Regen : 102.08 per sec (approx.)
Shield HP (regen) : 259963.978 HP (6836.85sec) Max Shield Regen : 95.06 per sec (approx.) 5703.6 / minute Shield EM : 65.11 % Shield Explo : 65.0 % Shield Kinetic : 68.17 % Shield Thermal : 57.56 %
Armor HP : 140625.0 Armor EM : 74.5 % Armor Explo : 23.5 % Armor Kinetic : 36.25 % Armor Thermal : 44.75 %
Structure HP : 140625.0
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Diva Dynamo
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Posted - 2007.04.21 07:28:00 -
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What I currently run
Highs- 2x officer energy nuets, 2x drone control units, one cap remote rep either shield or armor
MIDS- 1x officer web, 1x officer disruptor, faction or officer sensor booster, 3x faction or officer cap injectors.
lows- 3x cap reps 2x corpum a-type adaptive nano's
rigs. armor exp,therm and kin resist rigs.
Believe it or not when managed correctly I can run three reps going at once for a very long time, and can get up enough cap to jump out of system in just a little over 50 secs. It works very well for my main.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:30:00 -
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Seems as carriers these days are almost completly useless if damped I just generally use mine as a glorified logisitc ship. Jumping right into the middle of a friendly fleet in the middle of a fight and repping every1 around you is what the nidhog is for.
Highs 1x Faction Smart Bomb of your choice 2x Capital Armor Remote Reps 2x Capital Shield Transporter
Mids 6x Cap recharger II's or 5x Cap Recharger II's + 1x T2 Sensor Booster
Lows 2x Capital Armor Reps 3x Faction Explosive, Kenetic and Thermic hardners of your choice
Rigs 2x Cap recharger rigs and 1x memory cell rig
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Zazar
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:42:00 -
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Capital fleet setup:
Low slots:
Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Med slots:
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Command Processor I Command Processor I
High slots:
Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defence Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair Drone Control Unit I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Rig: Semiconductor Memory Cell II Semiconductor Memory Cell I Capacitor Control Circuit II
Implant:
Armored Warfare Mindlink
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Liam Fremen
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus .Ex. Machina
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Posted - 2007.09.01 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Liam Fremen on 01/09/2007 16:24:49 After more then 1 year flying a nidhoggur after losing some of them for the following reasons:
1) Nidhoggur and Naglfar are ALWAYS primary, nothing to do about it, so if you are the only nidoggur around prepare to buy a lot of them in capital vs capital engagements.
2) The repping bonus is realy a waste, ok you rep a bit more, cool, but the other 3 carriers do more "important" stuff, your repair alone if is of 1500 or 1800 every 5 seconds don't change "so much" but having +20 / +25 at all resistance REALY helps.
3) 6 Med slot and the cpu don't allow a "decent" shield tank, 5 low don't allow a decent armor tank, this ship just don't tank.
4) Every time i lost a nidhoggur i lost it with 50% or more cap, the problem is not the cap but the rep amount and resistance that are TOO LOW for tanking a good amount of dps.
5) As we all know the DPS of a normal carrier with 12 drones is around 1000 or so dps, thanatos can reach around 1200-1300 with lvl 4/5 of carrier, as we ALL know with the actual extreme tanks around for exemple a Blasterthron with neutrons will become effective not in "linear" way from the crap 7-800 dps to the 1300 dps, BUT will be still "average" until it reach a dps able to OVERHELM your enemy tank and realy dropping it down beafore he tears you apart, The same concept can be tought about thanatos, with the added dps it will realy take down enemy BS faster compared to the other 3 carriers, and this is a bigger advantage then repping 1800 instead of 1500 without any tankability.
So i'm training gallente bs 5 now, moros and thanatos, sorry ccp i'm bored of this, i can't stand to having always the most CRAP capital of the fleet and beign always and always primary in EVERY engagements and my friends beign unable to keep me up due to the CRAP resistance and repped damage of my crap 5 slot armortank.
I'm realy sad beacause i love the nidhoggur as look, i even wanted to buy a Hel the last months but right now, even if i know that Thanatos don't tank so much "better" then nidhoggur i'm sure that at least between 10 thanatos will be a luck/coincidence factor beign always took down first.
I never complain with ccp, but i'm realy bored of this crap, i'll come back flying this "garbage-monster" that i love when something will change.
PS: a fleet made of nidhoggur just focused on the remote repping with bonus i'm pretty sure would surpass a fleet made of thanatos on the same engage, but well, no-one fly nidhoggur -.-
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:56:00 -
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This is for pvp... Highs:2x remote armor reps,1x cloak,3x drone control units. Mids:5x t2 cap rechargers 1x sensor booster. Lows:2x cap armor reps,3x hardeners(1 exp 1 kin 1 therm). __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Jack Toad
Federal Space Academy Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Toad on 24/09/2007 13:27:28 /Nvermind
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Jack Toad
Federal Space Academy Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 13:27:00 -
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So, which one to choose: Thanatos or Niddy? I'm on crossroads now. I already fly an arty Myrmidon and love it and I'm ready to learn Carrier skill book. Just don't know which one ):
PS: I really want to fly Minmatar carrier, but as I understand, it's the worstest one
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 24/09/2007 14:45:52 Nidhoggurs are not bad carriers at all. They're no better or worse than the others.
Using no faction mods whatsoever:
Capital Remote Armour Rep, Heavy Unstable Neut, 3 Drone Control Unit 4x Cap Charger II, 2x Sensor Booster II 2x Capital Armour Rep, Kinetic, Thermal, and Explosive Hardeners II 2x Capacitor Control Circuit, 1x Anti Kinetic Pump
70/71/75/60 resists and can permarun tank. Can permarun tank and neut for 24 minutes, that is to say, you can neut whatever the hell you like generally. Can sustain full tank with rep for 3.5 minutes. With numbers like that, it means basically you can permarun the tank as long as you manage the other mods effectively.
If you're not as worried about drone control numbers, you can always add another neut. You can drop something for a cloak. You can switch rep to a shield one if you fly with more shield tankers. And the whole thing is cheap cheap cheap - so cheap as to be easily replaceable.
Originally by: Jack Toad So, which one to choose: Thanatos or Niddy? I'm on crossroads now. I already fly an arty Myrmidon and love it and I'm ready to learn Carrier skill book. Just don't know which one ):
PS: I really want to fly Minmatar carrier, but as I understand, it's the worstest one
People talk rubbish when they talk about Minmatar having the worst carrier. Whilst it is technically slightly less good than the others (for example, a near-identical setup with a Thanatos gives the Thanatos -2/+4/+6/+7 resist percentages), in practice the real difference is negligible. Add to this the fact that their bonuses are very different. Nidhoggurs rep so much more over time, which is particularly relevant when repping larger ships and particularly relevant in a capital gang. Whereas a Thanatos purely deals more DPS, but only when it's not assigning it's fighters; remember a Thanatos has no drone damage bonus when your fighters are assigned to someone else. Other minor points in the Nid's favour are that it aligns a hell of a lot faster than a Thanatos and locks nearly 25% faster, too.
Realistically, fly whichever one you want to, whichever one you're more trained to and whichever one you like the look of more. The actual differences are unlikely to ever make a difference for you; when you kill something you'd kill it anyway, when you die you'd have died regardless.
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest Nidhoggurs are not bad carriers at all. They're no better or worse than the others. Remember a Thanatos has no drone damage bonus when your fighters are assigned to someone else ^^
Using no faction mods whatsoever:
Capital Remote Armour Rep, Heavy Unstable Neut, 3 Drone Control Unit 4x Cap Charger II, 2x Sensor Booster II 2x Capital Armour Rep, Kinetic, Thermal, and Explosive Hardeners II 2x Capacitor Control Circuit, 1x Anti Kinetic Pump
70/71/75/60 resists and can permarun tank. Can permarun tank and neut for 24 minutes, that is to say, you can neut whatever the hell you like generally. Can sustain full tank with rep for 3.5 minutes. With numbers like that, it means basically you can permarun the tank as long as you manage the other mods effectively.
If you're not as worried about drone control numbers, you can always add another neut. You can drop something for a cloak. You can switch rep to a shield one if you fly with more shield tankers. And the whole thing is cheap cheap cheap - so cheap as to be easily replaceable.
They are bad carriers when it comes to anything but logistics...Whilst the amarr and caldari carriers can tank up to 10k dps,the nid is more like 2500. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2007.09.24 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u They are bad carriers when it comes to anything but logistics...Whilst the amarr and caldari carriers can tank up to 10k dps,the nid is more like 2500.
Since when did we define how good a ship was by how strong it's tank was and that factor alone? You can't compare ships with tanking bonuses to ships without them and expect it to look even.
EG, yes, the rep bonus sucks compared to a resist bonus, but that's because repping itself is a broken mechanic in real pvp. But the rep bonus itself is not a bad thing. Repping as a mechanic needs to be fixed to make the Nidhoggur better, not the ship itself.
Either way, the point is, the guy above was comparing the Thanatos and Nidhoggur. Neither have a tanking bonus.
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Jack Toad
Federal Space Academy Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 15:34:00 -
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I just don't want to be "... 1) Nidhoggur and Naglfar are ALWAYS primary, nothing to do about it, so if you are the only nidoggur around prepare to buy a lot of them in capital vs capital engagements..."
And I don't understand why? What makes Minmatar capships primary?
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Helen
Freelancer Ltd
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Posted - 2007.09.24 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Toad I just don't want to be "... 1) Nidhoggur and Naglfar are ALWAYS primary, nothing to do about it, so if you are the only nidoggur around prepare to buy a lot of them in capital vs capital engagements..."
And I don't understand why? What makes Minmatar capships primary?
Usually because of their tank or lack of. While a Archon/Chimera have resist bonus so are harder to ***** open compared to a Nidhoggur or Thanatos. Also Nidhoggur's I've seen in use tend to have a very cap hungry setup meaning they would cap out quick under fire.
Naglfar's get primared because its freaking vertical man
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: goodby4u They are bad carriers when it comes to anything but logistics...Whilst the amarr and caldari carriers can tank up to 10k dps,the nid is more like 2500.
Since when did we define how good a ship was by how strong it's tank was and that factor alone? You can't compare ships with tanking bonuses to ships without them and expect it to look even.
EG, yes, the rep bonus sucks compared to a resist bonus, but that's because repping itself is a broken mechanic in real pvp. But the rep bonus itself is not a bad thing. Repping as a mechanic needs to be fixed to make the Nidhoggur better, not the ship itself.
Either way, the point is, the guy above was comparing the Thanatos and Nidhoggur. Neither have a tanking bonus.
The reason the tank matters is not just IF your primary,its to prevent you from being called primary which gives you the ability to help your fleet(aka repping and fighters)
Another words,nobody is ganna call an archon or chimera primary because of their tank,and if you do the tank matters...However on the nid side they could call it primary(it is using crazy logistics)then its weak tank is a hinderance. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Slvr Foxx
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:16:00 -
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I have been looking at the min carrier, seems to me if you have a few of them together that they become very hard to take down. So many people are concerned only about thier ships and set them up to tank. When a fleet actually becomes a hell of alot stronger if you set up the entire fleet to remote rep eachother. I have seen this done in a PVP fleet where everyone equips the same type repper and basically steam roll over everything in its path, as any ship called primary gets the repping bonus of entire fleet. Thus giving UBER tank
For this reason the min carrier is the best fleet support available in the game, thier attributes (of all carriers) are supporting Dreadnaughts at doing what they do best, and thats beating the living cr*p out of pos's. The dreadnaught is not able to defend itself against incoming fleets and pos guns, so they need carrier support to top up thier cap/shild/armour and this is done with a carrier. not to mention the cover fire it gives with fighters to take out the smaller targets.
QED
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Slvr Foxx The dreadnaught is not able to defend itself against incoming fleets and pos guns, so they need carrier support to top up thier cap/shild/armour and this is done with a carrier. not to mention the cover fire it gives with fighters to take out the smaller targets.
Carriers can't "top up thier cap/shild/armour" when Dreads are in Siege Mode. You've obviously never used either.
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
Carriers can't "top up thier cap/shild/armour" when Dreads are in Siege Mode. You've obviously never used either.
Lol, win.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:58:00 -
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Oh, this is one of those - soloable carriers. . .
where are you going to be?
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest People talk rubbish when they talk about Minmatar having the worst carrier. Whilst it is technically slightly less good than the others (for example, a near-identical setup with a Thanatos gives the Thanatos -2/+4/+6/+7 resist percentages), in practice the real difference is negligible. Add to this the fact that their bonuses are very different. Nidhoggurs rep so much more over time, which is particularly relevant when repping larger ships and particularly relevant in a capital gang. Whereas a Thanatos purely deals more DPS, but only when it's not assigning it's fighters; remember a Thanatos has no drone damage bonus when your fighters are assigned to someone else. Other minor points in the Nid's favour are that it aligns a hell of a lot faster than a Thanatos and locks nearly 25% faster, too.
Realistically, fly whichever one you want to, whichever one you're more trained to and whichever one you like the look of more. The actual differences are unlikely to ever make a difference for you; when you kill something you'd kill it anyway, when you die you'd have died regardless.
You clearly don't fly a carrier and have pulled a bunch of bad data out of your head. There are really only two carriers you should train for - Thanatos or Archon. The Chimera can tank if you can afford the mods. The Nid however is funamentally broken. Seriously, before you advise people to spend a long time training for ships they will regret flying later, why don't you go fly a Nid and we can kill you off first because I know you have the weakest tank. Everyone knows this.
Carriers are not that powerful in eve anymore, the tactics for killing one have been practiced so many times I doubt people even really freak out when one shows up - its more like a big present.
Choising the weakest carrier is setting yourself up. Now if money is not an issue then sure, train whatever, but if you plan on using it and keeping it - then get used to the idea that Minmatar ships are awful at the capital level. Live with it.
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Phone Box
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:32:00 -
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did we get a sixth low slot. f3ar the nidhoggur
Willy
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Slvr Foxx
Caldari Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:39:00 -
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With repect to topping up cap/shield and armour, we have practiced dropping out of seige mode if one of the previous is lacking and the carrier tops up. In my opinion its better than loosing your dreadnaught.
So as long as you have adequate carrier support, then my comment is warranted. Yes I do know you cant be remote repped while in siege, maybe I should have been clearer in my response.
Slvr Foxx - (Yes I do have a Phoenix, and yes it does have full combat fitting, and no i am not scared of dropping it into siege mode!)
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hundurinn
Pagan Belief
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Posted - 2007.12.30 22:11:00 -
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Just got a nidhoggur. Any new fittings around after the changes?
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Vathar
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.30 22:36:00 -
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nothing really new,
His : will probably vary according to your needs, but reppers take advantage of the ship's bonus so i would say one of each, rest 3 slots according to your taste
Meds : 1 sensor booster, rest is cap rechargers
Lows : Dual cap rep tank, tri hardener + damage control
Rigs : 3 CCC
Dronebay ... full fighters -1 for swarm of other drones
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LoneRider
Minmatar Com-Star
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Posted - 2008.01.29 14:08:00 -
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4 heavy cap boosters in the mids and a cargo full of 800er charges (what else can you do with the cargo?) and you can rep almost forever. And you can get the Cap full really quick in case you need to get the hell out of there ;)
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ViperVenom
Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.04.24 02:09:00 -
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What are the New fits since the slots got swapped? Now it has 5 mid 6 low?
Im running.. Hi: 2 Drone control units 1 Cap shield repper 1 Cap armor repper 1 Therm SB Officer Med: 4 t2 Cap rechargers 1 t2 Sens Boster scan Res Lows: Dual rep Centum-x type Exp hardner/ T2 Therm/Kin/DCUII
3 CCC rigs..
Iv done no combat in it yet Boo CCP!!!!
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.24 02:44:00 -
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needs more tractor beams and salvagers
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