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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:57:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Why would you need to train all that to have a pirate faction black ops? You don't need to train a pile of **** to get a pirate faction cov ops or combat recon ship. (Astero/Stratios.)
Yes you would need to skill to get the Jump Portal Generator...but prior to that you could just snag a bridge from someone else. Because having a short cut of to get into a Black Ops would be broken.... Black Ops is a Highly specialized niche that can completely **** you up. The fact that you suggest being able to use a Black Ops with both races ships skill at level 1, well you should never fly Black Ops, go get your self some damn skill dedication and go train a f u c k ing black ops istead of b i t c h ing at CCP for an Easy access Black Ops that you always die in because you only have the ship skills at level 1. Why would it be broken? Or maybe it needs to be. After all market dictates this is a 1.2~1.4B Isk ship. So why shouldn't it be a quick step into playing a fun type of content, that requires you pay 1.3B+Fit to play with. Personally I think the cost of the Nestor allows for the benefit of having a quick step into Black Ops...and no I do not think that is broken. Its either that or do one of the two things to maybe, just maybe give the nestor life (despite its inferiority in every intended role to cheaper ships). 1) Nerf SoE LP:ISK Ratio massively, thus bringing the cost down to a 600-800isk range. 2) Massively Increase the drop rate of the chip for the nestor to bring it down in price. Black Ops logi is a no brainer. It is an unfilled role that would help change blops from just ganking into "surprise ************ " I mean sure you could try an pigeon hole it into a spot that is already filled by something better for the price, or you can make it worth its value. The fact you say Logi is a no brainer task, already says your a fail logi and you should never fly black ops like I have said before, but never fly logi.... CCP has said on numerous occasions cost is not a balancing factor.
I fly logi all the time, which is why I recognize a clear and very distinct hole in Black Ops. To put it another way I fly more in logi than I black ops. I can tell you right now having logi on grid with a black ops gang will change those fleets from gank fleets into surprise assault fleets, and that is something that is very very lacking from the black ops ships. They should be more than just "oh caught you ratting in a belt" They should be field presence fleets that set up before or stick around after to initiate fights, escalate, and prolong them. The fact the only other options are gimicky T3 fits or dropping carriers is severely restrictive to what Black Ops can be.
As a logi pilot I would shell out the money to fly one of these ships, in both training time required, and isk needs.
It fills a hole in ships. It fits the narrative of the ships line, and it justifies the cost.
And don't kid yourself with things like CCP doesn't adjust ships based on the market. The very reason the Drake was nerfed was because of market related reasons, the very reason ships (look at the pirate factions lately) get buffed is to justify their market value. Every single ship change has been predicated because of either market value dominance, or market value shortfall. Every single one. The market tells them what the OP/UP stuff is, If people are shelling out 300M on one Pirate Cruiser and not another its because the other is not as good...period. |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:05:00 -
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Capping the range bonus to remote armour and capacitor transfer to 300% would be wise. You don't want to tread too heavily on logistic's shoes.
Although the 5000m3 ship bay would be cute (shuttle only), the ship fitting option would be a little crazy. It's nice from an ideological perspective, but allowing nestors and their escorts to swap out fittings on the fly like carriers is definitely a no-no.
I'm not sure its worth keeping the scanning and hacking bonuses, as the strat and astero do this job much better with covert cloak.
And it definitely doesn't need the 2.5au warp speed. That's an angel cartel bonus, get rid of it from the nestor. It's like Rise had no idea what to do with this thing and just threw darts at a board with ship abilities on it. X |
J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.08.08 06:27:00 -
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All the nestor needs is a triage version of bastion.
But we all know CCP is going to come out with that soon anyway. Come on.
EDIT: OH that, and/or blops capability, which should be obvious; CCP was just hesitant to create a blopsenstein monster.
P.S. Reduce isotope consumption of blops bridging <3 |
Grunnax Aurelius
Lai Dai Shadows Negative Waves
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Posted - 2014.08.08 07:32:00 -
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J A Aloysiusz wrote:All the nestor needs is a triage version of bastion.
But we all know CCP is going to come out with that soon anyway. Come on.
EDIT: OH that, and/or blops capability, which should be obvious; CCP was just hesitant to create a blopsenstein monster.
P.S. Reduce isotope consumption of blops bridging <3
A sub cap version of Triage would actually be an interesting concept, I actually really like this idea. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342042&find=unread |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.08.08 08:44:00 -
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It should definitly be either a blops logi (with it's own jump drive) or be a drone marauder with the bastion module. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
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SanSoucis
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.08 09:31:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Ore are mostly shield tanked or rely on shields more than armour as the buffer. So armour tanking the Nestor doesn't make sense. You should use a Caldari shield bonus. what? this is a SOE ship, not ORE - all SOE ships get +4% ARMOR res per amarr skill level |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:19:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:J A Aloysiusz wrote:All the nestor needs is a triage version of bastion.
But we all know CCP is going to come out with that soon anyway. Come on.
EDIT: OH that, and/or blops capability, which should be obvious; CCP was just hesitant to create a blopsenstein monster.
P.S. Reduce isotope consumption of blops bridging <3 A sub cap version of Triage would actually be an interesting concept, I actually really like this idea. I don't. By the logic presented in your earlier rant about black ops, why should people have access to triage at BS skill level I? |
J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:36:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Grunnax Aurelius wrote:J A Aloysiusz wrote:All the nestor needs is a triage version of bastion.
But we all know CCP is going to come out with that soon anyway. Come on.
EDIT: OH that, and/or blops capability, which should be obvious; CCP was just hesitant to create a blopsenstein monster.
P.S. Reduce isotope consumption of blops bridging <3 A sub cap version of Triage would actually be an interesting concept, I actually really like this idea. I don't. By the logic presented in your earlier rant about black ops, why should people have access to triage at BS skill level I?
That's a fair point. If the subcap triage module were introduced, it should require an equal amount of skill training compared to marauders, which would mean opening a 3rd class of t2 BS. It's only logical at some point though. I would really love to see a t2 mael, baddon, rokh, and hype.
Back to the nestor, I think it should really have blops capability. It's currently has a weird grab bag of roles that, in combination with the hefty price, make it very rarely used.
P.S. reduce blops bridging fuel amount, or at least give blops BS a larger bay. |
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.09 03:04:00 -
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Good Afternoon,
I have gone through and cleaned this thread up, please remain on topic and civil.
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