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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 15:53:00 -
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Is it posible to have a passive armor tank with a rupture?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 16:03:51
Yep. Will give you about 6000 armor (with 1600mm plate) and if you throw in a couple of passive hardeners and a damage control, it will take quite a while to get through.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 16:03:51
Yep. Will give you about 6000 armor (with 1600mm plate) and if you throw in a couple of passive hardeners and a damage control, it will take quite a while to get through.
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Is damage control realy vital or could you replace it with maby a 800mm plate (that would give around 7600 armor) ?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jaromatario
Is damage control realy vital or could you replace it with maby a 800mm plate (that would give around 7600 armor) ?
Not enough grid if you want to fit guns, MWD, webber and scrambler.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:20:00 -
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Does this look good?
High Slots
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Med Slots
Warp Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Low Slots
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1250 shield, 3.47/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/30/47/65 5841 armor, E/T/K/Ex=85/67/62/55
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:40:00 -
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Your two missile (er, non-gun) slots are wasted.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Your two missile (er, non-gun) slots are wasted.
Well seeing as a rocket launcher / Standard launcher only gives around 5 dps with my crappy skills and the nosses can negate other noses and the disruptor and web does take a lill bit of cap
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.14 19:29:00 -
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buy some low grade slaves.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP buy some low grade slaves.
I am not fully aquinted about the usage of "Slave" implants, what do they do?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 21:00:14
Originally by: Jaromatario Does this look good?
High Slots
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Med Slots
Warp Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Low Slots
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1250 shield, 3.47/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/30/47/65 5841 armor, E/T/K/Ex=85/67/62/55
Not sure if the third EANM is doing much good... maybe put a damage mod in there instead. You have the smallest size guns mounted, so any boost to damage & rof is probably a good thing. Dont overdo the tanking completely on the expense of damage.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jaromatario on 14/07/2006 21:14:00 Edited by: Jaromatario on 14/07/2006 21:12:08
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 21:00:14
Originally by: Jaromatario Does this look good?
High Slots
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Med Slots
Warp Disruptor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Low Slots
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1250 shield, 3.47/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/30/47/65 5841 armor, E/T/K/Ex=85/67/62/55
Not sure if the third EANM is doing much good... maybe put a damage mod in there instead. You have the smallest size guns mounted, so any boost to damage & rof is probably a good thing. Dont overdo the tanking completely on the expense of damage.
Yes, i checked and you are right.
I replaced the EANM with a gyrostab II and got a nice 26 dps boost (or atleast thats what quickfit says) so now this ship sports 156 dps and a pretty sweet tank and its nos resistant
Edit: it has 50res accros the board
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jaromatario
Yes, i checked and you are right.
I replaced the EANM with a gyrostab II and got a nice 26 dps boost (or atleast thats what quickfit says) so now this ship sports 156 dps and a pretty sweet tank and its nos resistant
Edit: it has 50res accros the board
Dont forget to use the dronebay. Maybe put a medium hammerhead II and 4 lights in there to spice things up even more.
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Aion Gerge
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aion Gerge on 14/07/2006 21:29:08
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Aion Gerge
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jaromatario
Yes, i checked and you are right.
I replaced the EANM with a gyrostab II and got a nice 26 dps boost (or atleast thats what quickfit says) so now this ship sports 156 dps and a pretty sweet tank and its nos resistant
Edit: it has 50res accros the board
Dont forget to use the dronebay. Maybe put a medium hammerhead II and 4 lights in there to spice things up even more.
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Aion Gerge
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:30:00 -
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lol eve took my post ^^
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jaromatario
Yes, i checked and you are right.
I replaced the EANM with a gyrostab II and got a nice 26 dps boost (or atleast thats what quickfit says) so now this ship sports 156 dps and a pretty sweet tank and its nos resistant
Edit: it has 50res accros the board
Dont forget to use the dronebay. Maybe put a medium hammerhead II and 4 lights in there to spice things up even more.
I get those stats with 3 infiltrators wich i use for the extra EM damage seeing as i use Tech II ammo
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 21:36:31
Originally by: Jaromatario
I get those stats with 3 infiltrators wich i use for the extra EM damage seeing as i use Tech II ammo
How does the dps change if you use 1 medium and 4 light drones instead?
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/07/2006 21:36:31
Originally by: Jaromatario
I get those stats with 3 infiltrators wich i use for the extra EM damage seeing as i use Tech II ammo
How does the dps change if you use 1 medium and 4 light drones instead?
It ups with 4 dps.
Now you must take into acount that al my calc with drones is probably under the avarage seeing as i havent trained anny skills in drones.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.14 21:43:00 -
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Generally damage controls are a no brainer fit on any ship with more than a few lowslots. T2 ships are probably not going to benefit from the pseudoplate they add to structure, nor will ships that stick a lot of plates or hardeners on, but those ships will benefit from the increased resists.
But yeah, I find unless I have very very high resists, or 2 armour reppers then my armour repping in combat amounts to virtually nothing. Ideally I like the gang I'm in to stick small remote armor reps in spare highs, or armour maintenance bots in their drone bay so armour repping can be done safespotted afterwards. This is especially true on cruisers, where a 1600mm plate gives you BS like armour, but your medium repper (which you don't have cap to sustain) can't patch it up at any speed at all, and is costing vital powergrid.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.14 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jaromatario
It ups with 4 dps.
Now you must take into acount that al my calc with drones is probably under the avarage seeing as i havent trained anny skills in drones.
Just get Drones to V and Scout Drone to V... then you are pretty much set for t2 light and medium drones. And oh, Drone Interfacing. That one is a beauty.
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Jaromatario
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Posted - 2006.07.15 09:06:00 -
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Thanks for all the great input guys, got me convinced that atleast for the rupture the passive tank can be pretty good seeing as what Stamm said is distubingly true.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jaromatario
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Your two missile (er, non-gun) slots are wasted.
Well seeing as a rocket launcher / Standard launcher only gives around 5 dps with my crappy skills and the nosses can negate other noses and the disruptor and web does take a lill bit of cap
I mean wasted in the sense that your tank ate so much grid you can't put something usefull (Med Nos or heavy/assault launchers) in those 2 high slots. Small Nos has limited range, so it won't be used when you have to stay at 10k (med blasters or smartbombs on the enemy).
Still, it's the best choice considering the PG left.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.15 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Originally by: Jaromatario
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Your two missile (er, non-gun) slots are wasted.
Well seeing as a rocket launcher / Standard launcher only gives around 5 dps with my crappy skills and the nosses can negate other noses and the disruptor and web does take a lill bit of cap
I mean wasted in the sense that your tank ate so much grid you can't put something usefull (Med Nos or heavy/assault launchers) in those 2 high slots. Small Nos has limited range, so it won't be used when you have to stay at 10k (med blasters or smartbombs on the enemy).
Still, it's the best choice considering the PG left.
Ive used a setup with launchers and 1600mm plate on it, but i had to drop down to t1 weapons for it to fit. My fitting skills arent that great though. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.15 13:44:00 -
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Damage Control IIs don't exist
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.15 13:53:00 -
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There is no such thing as a passive armor tank. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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