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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
708
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:27:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote: So you're saying 13% of your kills were valid PvP fights, and not ganks? That metric still doesn't look good from a mathematical viewpoint.
No, 100% of our kills were valid PvP fights. There was a player, and another player or group of players engaged them in combat, thus: player vs. player.
My point was a response to an earlier comment, where the tired rhetoric of "CODE never shoots at anything that can shoot back" was thrown out there (except when we do, which appears to have been %13 of the time over whatever time period was sampled there. Thirteen percent > zero percent. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
708
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:34:00 -
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Major Trant wrote:Personally I don't see any issues with ganking freighters, haulers, miners, even shuttles and noob ships. In null or low sec it is a no brainer assuming the target is not blue to the ganker. A certain level of skill and/or luck is required on the part of the ganker to find and kill the target, coupled with the decision on the part of the target to place his vessel in the hostile environment in the first place. In high sec it can be justified, when the benefit outweighs the expected losses. I'm thinking an operation where a freighter is scanned to find a valuable cargo and then a suicide gank is carried out with a hauler being brought in to scoop the loot and the expected haul to more than cover the cost of the lost suicided ships. I take my hat off to people that manage this. I've even done it a couple of times. The fact that I don't do it more is because it isn't as easy as it sounds. Requires patience and a sec status which I just can't be bothered to maintain or pay for. That's assuming that the purpose of said gank, has a 'real' objective. I say this because there is no skill on the part of the ganker, or luck involved, or bad play on the part of the target. And there is the rub that I think most people have with Code and other parties that do what they do. What is their objective? Looking at Code's Killboard, it clearly isn't profit. It appears to be Killboard padding. Now in my opinion killboard padding is a valid objective. However, if you are going for killboard padding, you have to be honest. It seems these people are exploiting the fact that their losses to Concord are not pulled to the killboard, so they are getting these great killboard stats and isk efficiencies while just pretending that they didn't lose anything and we haven't even got onto the very real and significant additional cost of buying back your sec status. In short they are trading Isk via a flawed mechanic for killmails so that they can pretend to be leet PvPers. They will of course say, it is about the tears etc, but I think this bitter comment was very telling. DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Of course, those on the other side of the fight who manage to do 1% damage against a catalyst in high-sec while concord does the other 99% is a honorable warrior who scored a "real" kill and should be praised, right? It is clear that the real sting for the author here is that the 1% damage from another player, resulted in the killmail getting pulled by the killboards. Guys, if it is killboard padding you want and you can't be honest about it. A more efficient method would be to just post fake mails. But I guess the popular independent killboards take measures to stop that sort of thing. It's just not fair is it?
Ummm, no :)
Well thought out post, and thanks for it - but you're missing some of the point.
We don't gank for profit - there's no need for it. Every single ship we use is 100% free and paid for by fans of the New Order / our blog. Personally I don't gank for "tears" (though I know some people who do!) - I gank for fun. I find hunting down targets and exploding them to be a ton of fun. There's no point in "killboard padding" - a lulzy killboard comes naturally when you fly with CODE, but anyone with any experience can see the difference between a CODE agent's killboard and a more "traditional" type of PVP player's killboard. I take losses all the time, does not bother me at all.
As to your final comment about the 1% damage someone might do on a gank ship and as a result killboards pulling that - zkillboard pulls everything. It does not matter if CONCORD/FacPol did 100% of the damage or a player did 100% of the damage. It's still a loss, and it still counts. We are totally fine with that :) Check this out:
http://puu.sh/aK5Dg/7df357bb54.jpg
As you can see, all of my losses are there. And those losses were 100% CONCORD/FacPol kills.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1062
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:37:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Estella Osoka wrote: So you're saying 13% of your kills were valid PvP fights, and not ganks? That metric still doesn't look good from a mathematical viewpoint.
No, 100% of our kills were valid PvP fights. There was a player, and another player or group of players engaged them in combat, thus: player vs. player. My point was a response to an earlier comment, where the tired rhetoric of "CODE never shoots at anything that can shoot back" was thrown out there (except when we do, which appears to have been %13 of the time over whatever time period was sampled there. Thirteen percent > zero percent.
I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.
CONGRATULATIONS!! |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
708
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:39:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.
CONGRATULATIONS!!
I would just like to clarify that you claimed 0% and still have not admitted you were totally wrong :P
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1062
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:41:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.
CONGRATULATIONS!!
I would just like to clarify that you claimed 0% and still have not admitted you were totally wrong :P
That is exactly why im congratulating you. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
708
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:45:00 -
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On a related note: When you are browsing our kill boards if you take a look at "losses" you will notice we get shot down by other players from time to time and take losses of our own. The reason people don't know about this is that unlike high-sec miners, we don't create 60 page threadnaughts begging CCP to nerf guns in high-sec, unlike the average high security miner :) |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
708
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:46:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.
CONGRATULATIONS!!
I would just like to clarify that you claimed 0% and still have not admitted you were totally wrong :P That is exactly why im congratulating you.
Fair enough :) L33t pvp, eh mate? It's just a well known fact: the CODE always wins :) |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
443
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:52:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I would just like to clarify, that was over june and july, there were no low sec kills in june so the actual percentage over that sample was closer to 6%.
CONGRATULATIONS!!
I would just like to clarify that you claimed 0% and still have not admitted you were totally wrong :P That is exactly why im congratulating you. Fair enough :) L33t pvp, eh mate? It's just a well known fact: the CODE always wins :) When ganking miners.
Fixed that for you. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
61
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:03:00 -
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SO
Capsuleers who are independent of the Empires they may choose to represent somehow are going to start an all out war with 2 major empires who are apparently allies by ganking what? Other capsuleers independent of the empires? Its not like they ganked an imperial navy vice admiral and murdered him in cold blood, since when have the empires ever cared when we died? We just pop back up like weeds in the backyard.
Oh right thats because we cant die
The idea behind this is pointless, the empires wont subject their citizens to all out war over independent ships which they neither care about nor have an affiliation with being exploded in the vast space lanes of Eve even if they bear a MILITIA flag they dont represent the royal navy, and they arent attacking the State Directly or vice versa.
End thread Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
231
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:28:00 -
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Wow.
Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp. pew pew |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
745
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:32:00 -
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ahahahahhaha highsec |
Moglarr
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
1
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:51:00 -
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This thread is awesome. I am loving that DJentropy Ovaert takes pride in his alliance having only slightly more low sec kills than the average low sec resident. Ganking is a thing, always has been and always will be. I like hearing how some people try to combat it too and I am sure that someone in new order is banking really well off of mining barge and freighter construction. Especially considering they have a few systems of high sec belts that are basically clear for their bots to mine 23/7. It is a crafty business plan, I wish I'd come up with it. After all, who hasn't wanted a high sec empire? A place completely safe from the other entities in EVE where you can mine, manufacture and shoot whatever you like. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:53:00 -
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Thanks ISD Atomic Dove
DJ Ovary Wrote - Everyone can put politics and wars aside when it comes to the common goal of blowing up shiny things that are idiot fit and probably on auto :)
An idiot fit?
They are piloting Orca's and Freighters. Not much fit to them. Unlike the Blob that shows up and attacks them.
The real question that cannot be misdirected is why doesn't CODE go into Low and Null Sector and preform the same actions?
The reason being is that the ships and pilots in low and null have teeth and bite back unlike CODE that beats around freighters and orca's like they are little old women and men in wheel chairs that can't fight back.
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:59:00 -
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Moglarr wrote:This thread is awesome. I am loving that DJentropy Ovaert takes pride in his alliance having only slightly more low sec kills than the average low sec resident. Ganking is a thing, always has been and always will be. I like hearing how some people try to combat it too and I am sure that someone in new order is banking really well off of mining barge and freighter construction. Especially considering they have a few systems of high sec belts that are basically clear for their bots to mine 23/7. It is a crafty business plan, I wish I'd come up with it. After all, who hasn't wanted a high sec empire? A place completely safe from the other entities in EVE where you can mine, manufacture and shoot whatever you like.
A High Sector Empire is a delusion. Just because someone ganks ships and causes fear in a certain system does not mean they own that system.
Unless the High Sector System can be captured, which it cannot be and never will be able to be captured by any alliance or corporation the mentality of claiming a High Sector is like following a Llama around waiting for it to shed it's coat to where as a status of royalty.
It would be interesting though if CODE's actions were written into some new type of factional warfare similar to the Militia Faction War but going against CODE members.....nah that will never happen either...just like claiming High Sector as an Empire without having actual Sovereignty Rights will never happen.
I mean what can a corp full of - Red is Dead all the time members really do to enforce their...claim of superiority? |
Nanny State
The Conference Elite CODE.
6
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Posted - 2014.08.09 01:16:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:
A High Sector Empire is a delusion. Just because someone ganks ships and causes fear in a certain system does not mean they own that system.
Unless the High Sector System can be captured, which it cannot be and never will be able to be captured by any alliance or corporation the mentality of claiming a High Sector is like following a Llama around waiting for it to shed it's coat to where as a status of royalty.
It would be interesting though if CODE's actions were written into some new type of factional warfare similar to the Militia Faction War but going against CODE members.....nah that will never happen either...just like claiming High Sector as an Empire without having actual Sovereignty Rights will never happen.
I mean what can a corp full of - Red is Dead all the time members really do to enforce their...claim of superiority?
1. it's called high security space.
2. we do the ruler of high sec thing because its funny
3. we kill freighters because its fun, not to prove something
4. many gankers are regular PvPers who gank for a change of pace (again, for fun)
5. some people think it's fun to build sandcastles, some people think its fun to step on other peoples sandcastles.
6. If you want to keep your "sandcastle" safe in high sec, New Order Permits are only 10 million ISK! and if you buy a pack of 10, we'll give you the JAMES315 special, only 100 million ISK! |
Mag's
the united
17721
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Posted - 2014.08.10 08:46:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Wow.
Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp. Ahh, the old 'proper PvP' jibe.
This jibe is quite often used when the author confuses the acronym of Player versus Player, for a synonym of some unknown mythical combat ritual. Aka 'proper PvP'.
Wow indeed.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Maximus Decimal
Toxicity.
67
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Posted - 2014.08.10 09:13:00 -
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Confirmed, Biohazard. is now a member of the New Order & CODE We look forward to flying with all the pilots of TNE. We will be continuing our operations solely in hi-sec, podding to our wormhole to raise security status when needed.
gg FW, gg OP |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
748
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Posted - 2014.08.10 09:21:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Wow.
Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp. Ahh, the old 'proper PvP' jibe. This jibe is quite often used when the author confuses the acronym of Player versus Player, for a synonym of some unknown mythical combat ritual. Aka 'proper PvP'. Wow indeed.
looooooooooool the united |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1064
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Posted - 2014.08.10 09:26:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Wow.
Gotta give DJentropy Ovaert some credit for trying so damn hard to convince everyone what CODE does is proper pvp. Ahh, the old 'proper PvP' jibe. This jibe is quite often used when the author confuses the acronym of Player versus Player, for a synonym of some unknown mythical combat ritual. Aka 'proper PvP'. Wow indeed.
Rancer, the safest place in new eden (assuming you have 3 friends with you). |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1412
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:30:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:I don't know how the Caldari are going to like the Amarr ganking ships in their empire when both are supposed to be allies.
They're not ganking members of the Caldari state, they're ganking capsuleers. It's capsuleer business as usual. Epic Space Cat |
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Maximus Decimal
Toxicity.
67
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:46:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:This move by Biohazard may inspire a full fledged war between the Amarr Empire and Caldari State.
OP r u stupid? |
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
148
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Posted - 2014.08.10 13:15:00 -
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After recieving a grand 5B reward from CODE leadership, we've succesfully reached our contract objectives.
Thanks for the fun! & we'll wait future assignments.
~ Aslon GòöGòùGòæGòæ GòöGòùGòæGòæGòª Gòª GòæGòæGòáGòú GòÜGòùGòáGòúGòæ Gòæ GòÜGò¥Gò¬Gòæ GòÜGò¥Gò¬GòæGò¬ pïí it's ASLON SERIDTH?! WINMATAR.-áLeader | Minmatar's Most Wanted #1 | www.winmatar.com |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
231
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Posted - 2014.08.10 13:40:00 -
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5 bil?
You guys really are **** cheap. CODE paid me a grand 10B reward the other day for a real easy contract with a 5B bonus on top. You got ripped off. pew pew |
Mag's
the united
17721
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:04:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:looooooooooool the united
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Rancer, the safest place in new eden (assuming you have 3 friends with you).
I am touched in all the right places. Never before has such wonderful and well thought out retorts, done so much for so few. Many thanks my special friends.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
748
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:35:00 -
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Mag's wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:looooooooooool the united Crosi Wesdo wrote:Rancer, the safest place in new eden (assuming you have 3 friends with you). I am touched in all the right places. Never before has such wonderful and well thought out retorts, done so much for so few. Many thanks my special friends.
your bad |
Mag's
the united
17721
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:07:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Mag's wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:looooooooooool the united Crosi Wesdo wrote:Rancer, the safest place in new eden (assuming you have 3 friends with you). I am touched in all the right places. Never before has such wonderful and well thought out retorts, done so much for so few. Many thanks my special friends. your bad You're welcome.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
83
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:15:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Thanks ISD Atomic Dove
DJ Ovary Wrote - Everyone can put politics and wars aside when it comes to the common goal of blowing up shiny things that are idiot fit and probably on auto :)
An idiot fit?
They are piloting Orca's and Freighters. Not much fit to them. Unlike the Blob that shows up and attacks them.
The real question that cannot be misdirected is why doesn't CODE go into Low and Null Sector and preform the same actions?
The reason being is that the ships and pilots in low and null have teeth and bite back unlike CODE that beats around freighters and orca's like they are little old women and men in wheel chairs that can't fight back.
You claim yourself one of the Supreme white Knights of Anti-Ganking, You smack talk local whenever you appear, yet you seem to be very out of the loop about where we operate.
Knowledge is power, and if you payed any attention to www.minerbumping.com you would know recently we made headlines for tearing down a POS in Wormhole Space and for ganking an AFK POS bashing fleet in low sec. So we do go to low and Null to enforce the Laws of James 315, quite often in fact as we've done it more often than what i listed as well. I for one personally enforce the CODE. in Molden Heath, Derelik, and the great Wild Lands. Dominantly low and null sec.
The time of Anti-Ganking's "CODE. Cant cut it in high sec" has come to an end, were everywhere now. Its better to save face and ask the mercy of James 315 then continue your fruitless quest against our Forces. The CODE> Offers forgiveness to all who seek it with genuine regret for their prior sins. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
856
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:08:00 -
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There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
Oscar Wilde
Liaison Officer -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance History https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
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Maximus Decimal
Biohazard.
68
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Posted - 2014.08.11 16:42:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
Oscar Wilde
yep we been talking about you for a few weeks, that's for sure. thought you biomassed anyway? |
praying mantis01
Biohazard.
54
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Posted - 2014.08.11 16:52:00 -
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whos code lol?
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